03:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> Hammdist: this was linked since the day 1. This is very important / the best resource of this kind

03:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1380024762658717716/image.png?ex=68425fb7&is=68410e37&hm=37d05a0cee93e9f3b587a72394e7024205518e92a215ae7f84418ce58b3f97c5&

09:39 <jmabsd> Hi all, just curious has anyone here tried Armbian on the Radxa Rock5B ARM64 (RK3588) board? Was your expeirence that it's really stable?

09:40 <jmabsd> Radxa's own homebuilt Debian image now in Debian 12 Bookworm series has had some reliability issues, for instance the system upgrade via their "rsetup" tool upgraded the kernel from "6.1.84-6-rk2410" where onboard NIC worked, to a "6.1.84-6-rk2410" where the onboard NIC is broken.

11:27 <jmabsd> Anyone?

11:43 <jmabsd> Any https://forum.armbian.com/ admin here?

11:57 <jmabsd> Werner: DM

12:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> Yep, I have a Rock5B running Armbian bookworm with the 6.12 kernel.

12:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> Reliability so far is excellent. I regularly install updates & Armbian upgrades without any issue

12:44 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Hi nice talking to you

12:45 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Cool!

12:45 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Does the onboard ethernet realtek 8125 work well?

12:45 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Radxa's own Debian distro has been partially broken recently

12:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> Yep, I keep mine plugged into a 2.5gb switch port. Zero issues

12:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> However. It’s worth mentioning that I don’t use my Rock5b as a desktop.

12:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> It’s just a headless server on my network

12:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> Things like HDMI audio out don’t work on the stable 6.12 kernel.

12:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> Supposedly it’s fixed if you switch to the 6.15 Edge kernel using Armbian config

12:49 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: What about the USBC PD?

12:49 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: On https://www.armbian.com/rock-5b/ says "PD is broken for the 5B model (background) on most revisions that are in the wild and is causing boot loop. Workaround is to use a stupid / fixed 5-24 volts USB-C power supply."

12:50 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> However, I’m in no rush for features like that. I just keep as much as possible on Stable & wait until features eventually hit Mainline

12:51 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Did you use the MiniPCIe 22x30mm slot on the top?

12:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> My understanding is that the board won’t be able to negotiate a specific voltage when plugged in.

12:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> You would have to use a proper USB C power supply

12:52 <jmabsd> I think it's 22x30mm A+E-key M.2

12:52 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Radxa have patched their Debian to work with the USB C PD and to make a correct negotiation.

12:52 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: I guess without the PD negotiation typically a USBC charger will work, but it will feed 5V, I guess.

12:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> I use the official 30w Radxa power supply & never had an issue

12:53 <jmabsd> ok

12:54 <jmabsd> They say "Output 5V/5A 9V/2A 12/2A 30W" https://radxa.com/products/accessories/power-pd-30w/#techspec

12:55 <jmabsd> 5V at 5A can actually be really useful.

12:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> Nope. I just use the onboard Ethernet.

12:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> Although I see no reason why it wouldn’t work haha

12:55 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Are you on the Armbian web forum too?

12:55 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: why would the onboard r8125 not work? =-o

12:56 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> I joined very recently. So I only have like 2 posts on the forums

12:58 <jmabsd> Ah right Radxa sell this one too. 20V at 3.25A. https://radxa.com/products/accessories/power-pd-65w#techspec

13:00 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <random_anon_cesar> I don’t think that’s intended for the Rock5b. I believe it’s for their larger boards like the Orion

13:02 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar,*:  Hi all about the USBC PD function on the Rock5B -

13:02 <jmabsd> what about Armbian just pull the patches from Radxa's Debian distribution, to make the USBC PD work ???  Radxa have implemented it and rolled it.

13:03 <jmabsd> To simply use a USBC supply that does the negotiation-less 5V to go up to 5A kind of works, but it would be more elegant to negotiate 20V on boot.

13:04 <jmabsd> While using the Radxa Debian distro, I have always only seen 20V negotiated on the PD. I sometimes put a volt meter there and it shows 20V.

13:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Feel free to dive into the code, pull the necessary patches and send a PR. Armbian relies on community contributions

13:07 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> is the PD also a problem for 5B+?

13:14 <jmabsd> What is the Discord channel name or Matrix server hostname btw?

13:15 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> https://docs.armbian.com/Community_IRC/

13:17 <jmabsd> awesome

13:17 <jmabsd> OK all this is quite positive.

13:58 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar,johnthecoolingfan: See this thread https://forum.armbian.com/topic/52583-new-to-armbian-how-stable-and-well-working-is-armbian-for-the-radxa-rock5b-sbc-rk3588-soc-debian-stable-currently-12-bookworm-pd-etc/ , please share any insights

14:03 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> jmabsd: the link doesn't work for me, "not found"

14:04 <jmabsd> ah it must be in moderation process

14:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> retry

14:04 <jmabsd> ah it's not

14:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> yep available now

14:05 <jmabsd> Oh by the way, now that I talk to Armbian people:

14:05 <jmabsd> Do anyone of you use NetworkManager on Armbian?

14:05 <jmabsd> Is it a disaster?

14:06 <jmabsd> I talked to people about NM generally and many expert users really dislike it, and prefer ifupdownd, systemd-networkd, or just own ifconfig scripts

14:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> nm is always a disaster, not tied to Armbian lol

14:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I only used NetworkManager for wifi, it seems to be a bit more simple in taht regard than iwctl, but I still would prefer to use systemd-networkd exclusively on all my systems

14:09 <jmabsd> Werner: There you go

14:09 <jmabsd> Werner: There was a case when NM eventually, with a config file, would do DHCP client on 1 NIC

14:09 <jmabsd> then with 1 NIC config more with a fixed ip, NM just dead

14:10 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I would be interested in taking a look at radxa rock5b[+] PD power, I have the board and I think it would be nice to be able to use higher voltage instead of maxing out the current on it. I don't have a power supply that it capable of type-c PD at high enough power (only 33W while radxa recommends ~65W) although it does state to got to 20V but I have no idea whether I have a proper cable for that

14:11 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i run nm on graphical systems, combination of ifupdown2 and systemd-networkd on headless; it's... fine i guess?

14:19 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: I read some Radxa document today that said I think recommends 40W+ power supply for Rock5B?

14:19 <jmabsd> sorry for the Rock5B+.

14:20 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: The Rock5B normally peaks at I think around 11-13W, so I'm not sure why Rock5B+ would need more. My idea is this:

14:20 <jmabsd> Radxa have factored in how much power USB peripherals and M.2 hardware *COULD* take.

14:21 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: As for proper cable for 20V, I think any USBC cable is fine. A really thin USBC cable has worked perfectly for me. You're going to push maybe 0.5 or 1 amps at 20V through it.

14:23 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> Ah, I see, 3A max by default at any voltage

14:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> So my cables should work then

14:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> Well then I should be able to try it out

14:28 <jmabsd> menu: someone suggested me using NM via CLI could be buggy. right NM is the default network integration linux distros use toward X/Wayland environment

14:29 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: Nice. Please share your experiences on the Armbian forum too, maybe even make a separate forum thread about it

14:30 <jmabsd> By the way, the Radxa Orion O6 - it's a strong ARM computer, right. Is it gettings its own page on Armbian soon?

14:31 <jmabsd> I see there's an alpha of Armbian for O6 that someone uploaded at https://forum.armbian.com/topic/51960-orion-o6-cix-p1/

14:31 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: Thanks for letting me know that accross the board, Armbian on Rock5B has been a positive experience to you. It's really assuring.

14:31 <jmabsd> random_anon_cesar: If you'd like to write up your positive experiences briefly in a reply on that forum thread would be really great too.

14:32 <jmabsd> There is mostly just information vacuum about Armbian's level of support for Rock5B. What made me realize Armbian might be quite good, is that a guy at Radxa wrote that he thought Armbian might work as a stable alternative to their distro. That's a high rating.

14:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I really should get a good charger and a typec-typec cable, and the thing that goes between the charger and device to monitor its state

14:41 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: Oh sure. Let me suggest you something

14:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I have *something* working, called fast charging on my phone and up to 9v on my charger/powerbank combo

14:42 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: this USB-C volt/watt/amp meter I think you'll have some mileage with already https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006718675535.html

14:42 <jmabsd> but there's a lot more comprehensive devices. but thatone costs almost 0

14:42 <jmabsd> Do you have a USBC charger that supports 5V, 15V and 20V?

14:43 <jmabsd> As for the Rock5B, I believe what Radxa wrote on their forum is that it will negotiate the highest voltage available, <=20V.

14:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I have a USBC charger that claims it supports those

14:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I'm used to seeing a more bulky monitors but if that thing does work and display the info I need then I'll get it

14:46 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: Supposedly any OK brand USBC charger is fine.

14:46 <jmabsd> johnthecoolingfan: Weirdly, I got some power related crash on the Rock5B yesterday while it was connected to a Lenovo Thinkpad 65W USBC charger. I found that perplexing.

14:46 <jmabsd> The answer seemed to be that Debian may have some auto suspend kicking in. On Radxa's forum there was a recommendation to disable auto-suspend.

14:52 <Dex2x> I might have to switch to an ubuntu based armbian build. Seems mongo just dropped debian as well

14:55 <jmabsd> Dex2x: MongoDB is too proprietary to be bundled with Debian?

14:58 <Dex2x> Debian dropped it a while back, and now it seems mongo just didn't bother to build any arm binaries for debian on v8. There is for ubuntu

14:59 <Dex2x> You can install use mongo on x86 debian

15:00 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> running gentoo on arm SBCs with armbian kernel patches seems more and more appealing

15:09 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> come to the NixOS side, you'll hate every minute of it

15:09 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I might try nixos some distant day just to know what it is but for now I really like gentoo

15:12 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i'd be hard pressed to find something i like *more* than NixOS at the moment, when i break things i can undo them!

15:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> If I had snapshots I would also be able to easily roll back, but I don't think I got anything broken in the past... years

15:15 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i don't even do snapshots, rolling back is inherent to the NixOS boot process, and no more dependency hell

15:15 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I'll check it out *eventually*

15:24 <Dex2x> Isn't nixos supposed to be a bit more stable with it's reproducible build system?

15:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> Dex2x: *yes*, but it's still vulnerable to pebcak issues

15:25 <Dex2x> LOL

15:25 <Dex2x> Anything is vulnerable to that

15:26 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> Nix errors are also famously entirely unhelpful, often pointing at the "wrong" section of code entirely

20:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <human_urostor> Armnixian when

20:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it's something i've considered several times, but ultimately it's easier to grab the Armbian kernel and integrate into a nix build, especially with the new `nixos-rebuild build-image` subcommand