00:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> Hey guys, if anyone has time to answer a general sbc question, I would be grateful for an

00:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> Hey guys and gals, if anyone has time to answer a general sbc question I would be greatful.

00:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> I am considering a "radxa dragon q6a"

00:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> but the Radxa OS looks dodgy. I see you have your own, is it fully intergrated? And more importantly, how do you rate the sbc generally?

00:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> Appreciate you all, as always. ❤️

00:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/6d2d2e97a8ead183a0ef42df902e27a82dc2b56f>): *Fix repository management script for parallel execution*

00:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> Hey guys and gals, if anyone has time to answer a general sbc question I would be greatful.

00:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> I am considering a "radxa dragon q6a"

00:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> but the Radxa OS looks dodgy. I see you have your own OS, is it fully intergrated? And more importantly, how do you rate the sbc generally?

00:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> Appreciate you all, as always. ❤️

00:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> Hey guys and gals, if anyone has time to answer a general sbc question I would be greatful.

00:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> I am considering a "radxa dragon q6a", to add to my ever growing arsenal of sbc's.

00:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> but the Radxa OS looks dodgy. I see you have your own OS, is it fully intergrated? And more importantly, how do you rate the sbc generally?

00:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <wiisoldier> Appreciate you all, as always. ❤️

06:31 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <nexusguy59> Good Morning Everyone and Happy New Year! ☕

07:27 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Morning. Likewise

10:09 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Replying to a very old message here, and not sure if @tabrisnet_91106 is perhaps the same person, sorry if not, but the initial search functionality was flawed to say the least. You should find https://sbc.compare/browse a bit nicer to use now 😅

10:09 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> (and apologies for the necro, I had a bit of time to build an improvements/to-do list and I was scouring SBC related servers for mentions to see if anyone brought stuff up :D)

20:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tabrisnet_91106> I guess I am not acquainted with whatever suffix they assigned to me...

20:29 <tabris> @bret: but yes tabrisnet on Discord is same as tabris on Libera

20:29 <tabris> huh. I thought I was registered as just @tabrisnet

20:31 <tabris> I mean, I own tabris.net, so how many of me could there be?

20:35 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> 😄 it’s all good

21:03 <tabris> @bret: so... the S922X is not Allwinner. your BPI M2S thinks it is.

21:03 <tabris> the BPI-R4 is available in 8GB, but the standard model is 4GB.

21:05 <tabris> why can't I click through to a board from the Browse page?

21:05 <tabris> all it wants is to add to compare

21:06 <tabris> also re BPI-R4... it's not really a compute board. it's a *router* board. nowhere do you mention this nor its [somewhat unique] network connectivity

21:10 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> tabris: I don't see "anything" about that level of detail no do I think he is trying to...

21:10 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> tabris: I don't see "anything" about that level of detail nor do I think he is trying to...

21:10 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> tabris: I don't see "anything" about that level of detail norr do I think he is trying to...

21:11 <tabris> possibly so... except that it has all the benchmarks for a board for which those things like LLMs or CPU mining... are meaningless

21:11 <tabris> one would never choose this board for that purpose... or at least I hope so.

21:12 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> Irrelevant... When you run benchmarks.. you run them all or they are "invalid"

21:12 <tabris> ok, but where's iperf? that's applicable to most boards and this board in particular.

21:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> Choice of tools is up to the presenter... "consistency" is what is in question.

21:14 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> Is he using iperf anywhere else?

21:14 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> if so.. then there is a problem.. if not.. then it is consistent.

21:14 <tabris> it does seem to be perfectly consistent in its choice of benchmarks

21:15 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> They may not be the optimal/best choice for every scenario... but you have to try to not give any one area/board/test/etc preferential treatment

21:17 <tabris> I think the idea is that the site needs categories of ostensible purposes...

21:17 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> From the looks of it.. it does need some updating... and some board adds/etc

21:17 <tabris> otherwise you're condemning a fish for not being able to ride a bicycle, despite the bear or monkey's capability

21:31 <gmorell> ~][\'

21:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Guys, it’s the boards I have, I’m not saying this is a database of every board ever made 😅

21:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> iPerf3 is used for all of the network benchmarks, a few things may have slight errors like the allwinner/amlogic mixup, I’m human, and had to select over 100 of these over the course of a week or two, so I’ll fix that up

21:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> Ah... your boards... (I would advise adding that as a disclaimer...)

21:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> This is a pure data site, not an editorial site, so I run all tests on all systems, you can make of the results what you will and use them where appropriate

21:42 <tabris> and/or cadging some benchmark #s from tkaiser

21:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I’m trying to keep it to things I’ve tested myself with what I have here so they’re comparable and I can trust the numbers for my own needs. The site was initially the database and backend to manage everything for my own reviews, and then I threw a front end on top as I felt the data might be somewhat useful to others

21:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I thought I’d made a fairly obvious disclaimer about it only being boards I own and have tested myself, but it seems to have been lost in updates to the pages. I’ll add a note of that back again.

21:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> @bret ahh got the O6 already? how do you like it?

21:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I have the O6N, yeah, I like it more than the orange pi 6 plus as this point. Cooler seems to do a better job (though it also draws a bit less power) and overall Radxa support and documentation is much better

21:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> (I have 2 of them (O6)) These are my primary ARM boxes now... (besides my Mac lol)

21:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> The CIX P1 is still a bit wonky but when it comes to sheer power, it’s nice to have around. The Q900 has it majorly beat in terms of efficiency though

21:50 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> It’s going to be an interesting year or so with what Qualcomm has to offer, will just have to see if they fumble it lol

21:50 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> Is that the Mediatek one

21:50 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> ?

21:50 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> (the Q900)

21:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> I know I saw another new box but I can't get anything new reasonably shipped to the states currently....

21:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Nah that’s the Qualcomm one - https://radxa.com/products/fogwise/airbox-q900/

21:53 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> ahh yeah I heard of the Fogwise... don't know much about it though

21:53 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> yeah thats the soc though: Qualcomm Dragonwing

21:54 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> the one "I" heard of

21:54 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> I like how small it is

21:56 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> The fan sound is rather annoying and is straight 5V so it’s loud and proud

21:58 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> But yeah it’s a nice little unit, ships with CasaOS on Ubuntu by default. Which reminds me, it’s a bit meh that the UFS is over USB, but it has Gen4x4 for NVMe if you swing that way

21:58 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> oh wow no pwm?

21:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> does it use efi or dt for its firmware?

22:00 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Valid point, and already on the todo list luckily! You mentioned iperf3, it’s already in use, see the test methodology page. And as was mentioned, I’m testing the boards I have. I have the 8GB R4, so I lost the 8GB R4. Allwinner on the M2S was a simple manual mistake on my part, it happens, thanks for pointing it out 🙂

22:02 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Valid point, and already on the todo list luckily! You mentioned iperf3, it’s already in use, see the test methodology page. And as was mentioned, I’m testing the boards I have. I have the 8GB R4, so I list the 8GB R4. Allwinner on the M2S was a simple manual mistake on my part, it happens, thanks for pointing it out 🙂 the site was an after thought to wanting the backend o <clipped message>

22:02 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> f the system for my own review needs, I’m not trying to make it the be all and end all, or definitive source of truth. It’s my data from my testing, and all are tested in the exact same environment with the same tests so maybe it’s useful to someone

22:03 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> @bret "in my opinon" You testing the same tests across the runs is the most crucial thing...

22:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tenkawa42> When I did perf testing and benchmarking for a living (1990's) .... It was a requirement..

22:08 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Indeed! I made this so that I could trust the data I was using in my reviews, so they’re all run exactly the same way, with the same monitoring equipment etc. there are tests I want to add to cover areas I haven’t touched on before, but I’m not going to over do it, I need to know my boundaries. The site won’t be useful to everyone but if it helps a few people out whilst a <clipped message>

22:08 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> lso making my life easier then screw it, the front end of this isn’t much more to maintain and I’ve learned a lot 😅

22:10 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I need to head off now as the baby will have me awake soon and I’d like a bit of sleep, but constructive feedback is welcome, I think I’ve addressed most things, but on one final note, I’m not pushing any boards into specific use cases or condemning anything. The R4 is a router, yup, but a purpose is also served by testing its SoC in general so if it pops up somewhere else <clipped message>

22:10 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> then you can get a loose idea of its capabilities. All I’m doing is testing what I have, giving out the data, you can make of it what you will ✌️

22:12 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> (If you want to get really funny about device use cases and my testing, I tested the Sipeed NanoKVM Pro and the results are there.. It’s just running Ubuntu so why not 😄)

22:18 <tabris> note, this isn't a comment on you/your methods... but perhaps in that case CPUminer makes sense... IYKYK

22:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/7abef3e3a4ff90282164de998ace9401a0ca637b>): *build(deps): bump gitpython from 3.1.45 to 3.1.46*