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<dery>
wait a second
<sad_plan>
what?
<dery>
is it weird over there to have delis pack their own stuff
<dery>
cause I think I've seen it here in one way or another and it's like seen as the lazy way of going to the deli or something
<dery>
not necessarily lazy, just... faster?
<dery>
that said I'm genuinely curious
<sad_plan>
doesnt they just recieve prepacked stuff, ready to heat?
<dery>
wait a deli sells like ham right
<sad_plan>
as in a large ham, or as in a pack of sliced ham? :p
<dery>
uhhhh
<dery>
slice ham on the spot?
<dery>
salumiere?
<dery>
ohhh it's not that
<dery>
my bad
<sad_plan>
never seen that myself.
<dery>
how are they called over there
<dery>
the... cured meat? shops
<dery>
you know if you want to get 200g of ham or something
<dery>
Aight I'm starting to think that there might be some interesting cultural difference here
<sad_plan>
I guessing a 200g piece of ham? not all shops have these. an delis here is just called kiosks if theyre really small, or its just called a shop
<sad_plan>
might be
<dery>
mh yea when I think of a "salumiere" I think of a shop full of cured meats (like, huge hams) and you can ask them to slice em and get a set amount
<dery>
want some prosciutto? You get it sliced
<dery>
salami, same thing
<dery>
so I guess cured meats are mostly prepackaged over there? We have prepackaged (like, shelf) cured meats too but they're like, ehhhh
<sad_plan>
we dont have butchers here really. meat is mostly either sold prepaced in food shops, or some shops have a dedicated *butcher* part in their shop
<dery>
mhhh I see
<dery>
do butchers also do cured meats
<dery>
like ham
<sad_plan>
I suppose so.
<dery>
oh that's interesting
<dery>
at my local shop we have a butcher section *and* a salumiere
<sad_plan>
I bought 'ham and cheese' at a zoo in italy once, and got mozarella balls and smoked-cured ham i think its called. I had to guess what was what on the meny, and ham and cheese was the only thing I to a degree knew what it was. lol
<dery>
oh mozzarella and prosciutto i guess
<sad_plan>
correct
<dery>
classic starter
<dery>
although prosciutto isn't usually smoked
<sad_plan>
maybe not smoked, but cured anyhow
<sad_plan>
somewhat salty
<dery>
yea
<dery>
gonna tell ya a secret
<sad_plan>
not a huge fan imo,
<sad_plan>
please do
<dery>
for some fucking reason it's perfectly normal to eat prosciutto with... cantaloupe or melon I don't remember
<dery>
I kid you fucking not
<dery>
like imagine a slice of cantaloupe with a slice of prosciutto on it
<dery>
it's very yummy ngl but I still don't understand why people are so vehemently against pineapple on pizza
<dery>
when we do weird stuff like this lol
<sad_plan>
does not sound apetizing lol
<dery>
yea it really does not but it's a nice combo
<dery>
the more time goes by and the more I realize that the way we eat is way more different than I thought
<sad_plan>
when I was in bolzano, there were this old dude who had a stand just outside our appartment, and he had these large was and posters with some beer company logo on them. he sold beer, and these huuuge melons. i was always curious about the combo lol
<dery>
lol
<dery>
probably some kiosk?
<sad_plan>
something like that.
<dery>
for some reason veggie sellers also sell drinks
<sad_plan>
it wasnt very well made, he sat on some camping chair with a friend on the side iirc
<sad_plan>
wierd
<dery>
yea they usually sell like a specific thing or whatever local fruit they got or something
<dery>
realtively sketchy but perfectly fine
<sad_plan>
probably an italy thing, as Ive not seen this specifically elsewhere
<dery>
oh that's interesting
<dery>
bolzano is in the north so you've seen nothing lol
<dery>
I don't know northen italian culture that well so I'm perhaps missing something myself
<sad_plan>
ive been in the south aswell, I dont recall old men selling beer and melons elsewhere though
<dery>
there are kiosks for everything
<dery>
there's a woman selling like, some kind of shellfish I don't know the name of
<dery>
mussel?
<dery>
yea
<dery>
only that
<sad_plan>
I see. so some cultural thing then. here all big stores just takes over really. so smaller stores dont seem to make it..
<dery>
that's an issue here too unfortunately
<sad_plan>
I suppose thats the case most places really
<dery>
those kiosks things probably go by exactly because they're sketchy-ish
<dery>
like, probably no license or something log
<dery>
lol
<dery>
again the produce is fine it's the setup that's sketchy
<sad_plan>
or because of regular customers whove been going there for the past 20 years
<dery>
oh yeah that too
<sad_plan>
yep. people like rutine, and familiar things
<dery>
you usually see em in the periphery and stuff
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<dery>
that said it's really cool to see so many differences
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<dery>
one kinda gives for granted that everybody eats and buys food the same way
<dery>
also most salumerias I went to sell bread too and you can ask them to make you a sandwitch directly and package it with freshly cut stuff
<sad_plan>
nope. in italy you guys dont eat a proper breakfast. I kinda hated it. I love that you can justify buying crepes or pancakes for breakfast, but when I want a cold glass of milk, I cant have it
<sad_plan>
maybe I missed those shops
<dery>
also I just realized that salumerias are also delis
<dery>
they have some premade food
<dery>
and stuff to put in said sandwitches
<dery>
I'm still personally kinda surprised that it's so widespread and apparently you can take it for granted, at least in big shops
<dery>
wrt breakfast yea
<dery>
it's extremely common to eat sweet stuff
<sad_plan>
i know, its really wierd
<dery>
but cold glass of milk doesn't sound far off
<dery>
where did you ask it
<dery>
a bar?
<sad_plan>
when I was at the hotel, I was asked what I wanted to eat/drink, and he just looked really wierd at me, when I meentioned milk, or breadslices with ham and cheese
<sad_plan>
just the hotel really
<dery>
wait at lunch?
<sad_plan>
no, for breakfast
<dery>
that's weird lemme tell ya
<dery>
it's actually perhaps even more normal I'd say
<dery>
like cappuccino and cornetto is the bar breakfast
<sad_plan>
at that point I gave up, and drank apple juice instead and croicants with nutella
<sad_plan>
right
<dery>
but in the household it's usually "fette biscottate" (uhhh forgot the translation) and jam
<dery>
rusk
<dery>
or whatever
<dery>
crepes are like super nice and extra I'd say
<dery>
mhhh I haven't had one in ages
<sad_plan>
uhm.. you mean like bunns? small round bread thingys?
<dery>
fette biscottate look like white bread slice but are super crunchy
<sad_plan>
yeah, we came across a shop when we were at kos aswell, and his crepes really fucked
<sad_plan>
wierd name. its just slices of white bread
<dery>
no it's actually very crunchy
<dery>
it crumbles if you crush it
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<dery>
like powder
<dery>
uhhh it's kinda hard to explain
<dery>
it's like if you super toasted a slice of white bread
<sad_plan>
in norwegian, rusk means.. dust or dirt. lol. or if you are rust, youre crazy. lol
<sad_plan>
s/rust/rusk/
<dery>
lmao
<dery>
that said yea that hotel was being weird
<dery>
like what if you want cereal
<dery>
why should you not get a cup of milk
<sad_plan>
yeah I get what you mean. we have something alike here, but its not slices of bread, its more like mini bagueettes sliced in two, and dried. I remember having it in a bowl with milk when I was a kid
<dery>
it's common for the cool hotel breakfast buffets to have various dispensers for milk and cereal
<sad_plan>
I could not have cerial obivously in that hotel. only shots of coffe, or other sweets. it was really wierd
<sad_plan>
yeah, but not this hotel in particular appearantly. although it was a smaller hotel though
<dery>
weird indeed
<sad_plan>
yeah
<dery>
btw in which part of southern italy have you been if I might ask
<sad_plan>
uh, rome and naples. naples is where this wierd hotel was
<dery>
uh
<sad_plan>
not a super fan of either, too busy for my taste
<dery>
lol yea naples is quite something
<dery>
that's even weirder btw
<dery>
really never heard of a hotel like that
<dery>
hope you liked the food though, pizza comes from naples
<sad_plan>
yeah. we also was going to see pompeii, but when we were waiting for the train, we were evacuated, because of some suspecious bag someone left there. suspected to be a bomb or some shit :(
<dery>
hope you tried one there
<sad_plan>
it wasnt a bomb after all though
<dery>
holy moly
<dery>
that sucks
<dery>
in the meanwhile I brought a fake DIY disassembled geiger counter with batteries on the train and nobody blinked an eye lmao
<sad_plan>
yeah, we ate pizza there, but and it was ok. but i prefer american for some reason. I like the thicker buttom really
<dery>
that's fair
<sad_plan>
probably didnt notice what it was
<sad_plan>
what do you need a fake diy giger counter for anyway?
<dery>
that's a great question
<dery>
this friend of mine made an on-the-spot escape room for new year eve
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<dery>
for terribly, terribly, dumb reasons I could not get invited so I tried helping setting it up at least
<sad_plan>
sounds like a bad friend :(
<dery>
and I made this lil esp32 thing that continuously does a fast scan for a wifi hotspot and uses its RSSI as a factor for the fake noise
<dery>
it was not their fault
<dery>
it was the fault of an actual bad friend
<sad_plan>
never tried those escape rooms, but ive been wanting too
<sad_plan>
I see
<dery>
obviously I tried to overdo it with PCB and shit
<dery>
and had to yolo it with premade boards as I should've done from the start
<dery>
everything worked out at the last second by sheer chance
<dery>
really love hardware hacking
<dery>
I swear once I get economically independent I should really look into proper hardware hacking
<dery>
it's crazy expensive
<sad_plan>
I would love to do hardware hacking, but I dont even know where to start
<dery>
I'd say, like, unironically, one of those amazon arduino suitcases
<dery>
if by hacking you mean EE DIY building stuff
<sad_plan>
theres so much cool stuff on crowdsupply, but I cant even begin to fathom a usecase for even half of it
<dery>
the arduino suitcases are not enough for making an actual project but should give you a good idea of what you can do
<dery>
with the various modules and stuff
<dery>
re usecases I'd say that it's not that different from software development
<dery>
either do something as a challenge, as a learning experience or because you (or someone) need it
<sad_plan>
hmm
<dery>
and you do not need to learn actual advanced EE
<dery>
most stuff is premade modules
<dery>
and if you want to make your own it shouldn't be too hard with enough experimentation and looking online
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<dery>
hackaday is a great source of inspiration IMO
<dery>
they report various projects and oftentimes write their own columns, sometimes with some very interesting info
<dery>
like their M.2 or USB-C columns
<dery>
and lastly, hardware hacking isn't only making something new, but even just recycling it
<dery>
I'd say that my ziptied-laptop-in-a-pc-case NAS 100% counts as a hack
<sad_plan>
right. ive seen some of them actually. I kinda wish i have, or had access to a 3d printer
<dery>
so yea, just wing it :D
<dery>
regarding 3d printers yea they're extremely useful and not that expensive anymore
<sad_plan>
I keep seeing all these cool 3d printed stuff, and here i am, not having a 3d printer. lol
<dery>
I still remember getting my original ender 3 for ~160€ in 2018 or something
<sad_plan>
I know, I just dont wanna cash out for one. maybe im just cheap :p
<dery>
I mean 3d printing is actually very specific in regarding to useful usecases
<dery>
haven't touched mine in ages
<dery>
although I should finish SADISM
<dery>
holy crap I can't understand how nobody picked up that idea properly yet
<sad_plan>
what idea?
<dery>
it's a project I thought about a few years ago and made a prototype of
<sad_plan>
I see
<dery>
basically the cheapest VR option ever
<dery>
something akin to PS-Move but instead of using infrared it uses aruco codes
<dery>
I hacked opencv into monado and made it connect to the webcam, it takes the position and rotation and it actually works
<dery>
obviously motion blur messes up stuff so it needs accelerometer+gyro just like ps-move
<dery>
and I took functions from that driver (no idea about the math lmao)
<dery>
but I ordered the wrong sensors and by the time the new one came I lost momentum :skull:
<dery>
also it's called SADISM because I got inspired by the cruelty squad VR mod
<dery>
and it's a reverse acronym obviously
<dery>
I really love how I named all of its concepts
<dery>
like each node is a limb
<dery>
even the head
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<dery>
and the acronym stands for "Simple and Affordable Detector for Immersive Simulations in Motion"
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<dery>
that might have been the greatest hack I've ever did
<dery>
working on a codebase you've never touched is quite something
<dery>
damn I should really pick it up
<dery>
but yea that's it
<dery>
so yeah, do anything, whether it for fun or necessity
<dery>
a 3d printer is not that essential either I'd say
<dery>
you could use scrap wood or, dunno, single-use wood utensils lol
<dery>
there are also generic off-the-shelf project boxes online, that's the traditional way
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<dery>
have fun :D
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<sad_plan>
I suppose so. I see many people just use pelican cases aswell for their project. it gets boring after seeing too many of them after another though
<sad_plan>
but yes, getting diy off the shelf stuff would be ideal for me really. no need for custom bs really. just put the pieces together
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<midfavila>
sad_plan: you can also check if you have a local workshop or tool library
<midfavila>
they'll let you use the facilities there for low or no cost and sometimes even the materials if there's excess
<midfavila>
also happy (US/CAN) labour day
<midfavila>
also also it's september which means summer is finally over
<midfavila>
thank god
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<midfavila>
unfortunately my laptop's hinges broke after a nasty fall
<midfavila>
fortunately the framework 12 has nearly identical hinges
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<evahasarrived>
i hope you're healthy and well midfavila
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<midfavila>
took the reform apart, both hinges broke in exactly the same way
<midfavila>
the top joint is snapped clean in half and the bottom one is bent in such a way that it's completely seized
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