<sad_plan>
I recall seeing something similar to this a few years ago, which was why I ended up with xfs in the first place. but having no option to shrink eventually turned me away..
<sad_plan>
asimov: hi
<sad_plan>
kinda which zfs was included here aswell, which could be interesting to see. iirc, zfs shouldnt be that much of a turd either
<kris_>
yeah it would be nice but usually linux desktop users dont think about zfs
<sad_plan>
yeah thats probably the reason. zfs kinda leans more torwards servers
<sad_plan>
maybe ill reconsider xfs if I were to reformat my partitions again.
<sad_plan>
im also going to fetch wine from flatpak and use my oakiss, and see what performance differences I actually notice. im not 100% convinced about all the optimizations cachyos tries to sell users
<kris_>
i'm speaking too soon but it seems like the qemu bug ive been fighting with for weeks is gone now
<kris_>
on void glibc
<kris_>
time to stop fucking with it because i literally need these virtual machines to consistently work as expected, like my network depends on it
<sad_plan>
patience is your friend
<kris_>
i think intentional ignorance of how awful glibc is is my friend in this case
<kris_>
in all fairness i did spend the majority of my day every day for the past two weeks troubleshooting this and trying to find something specific to tell the package maintainers
<kris_>
but eventually a mans patience wears out
<kris_>
and all of the VMs i'm running on this box are also void glibc anyway so its not like it truly matters because everything i'm hosting is run against glibc anyway
<sad_plan>
I get that, but what is patience, if you dont even have to do anything? :p just go about your day really
<kris_>
yeah the benchmarks here seem incredibly negligible to me
<kris_>
i'm glad they tested clear linux though, that's an incredibly fast distro that not enough people talk about
<sad_plan>
perhaps. but at the very least its some numbers to compare
<sad_plan>
yep
<sad_plan>
I kinda forgot about it untill seeing it here
<kris_>
i hear about it more often than i want to honestly
<kris_>
knowing someone who works at intel
<sad_plan>
I have a file which compared compiler flags across distros, and clear linux is one of those. its mostly because I wanna have a tldr of sorts, so that I can find some more *optimal* compiler flags, if anything
<sad_plan>
I see
<kris_>
i need to look into actually using clear linux somewhere though, i've never actually used it
<sad_plan>
me neither. maybe ill check it out some day
<kris_>
i tend to stay away from things that have that level of corporate involvement
<kris_>
given it's *literally* intels distro
<sad_plan>
perhaps, but we could reference it instead, and maybe benefit from it, atleast in terms of performance. but as you said, its probably negliable
<sad_plan>
so if I were to compare cachyOS and my oakiss, i probably wouldnt be able to tell the difference
<sad_plan>
appart from diskspace usage perhaps, because my distro is probably half the size :p
<kris_>
i think the biggest speed lift on my own desktop ive seen in a long time was linux 6.14
<kris_>
i couldn't even begin to tell you what the difference is but it's huge
<kris_>
that's kind of predictable though given i'm on a core ultra cpu which is the first cpu of its kind from intel so there's still scheduler work being done
<sad_plan>
hm, and here I am on 5.4.xxx on my laptop. lol
<kris_>
i run a handful of different kernels
<kris_>
my desktop is only on latest because of amdgpu bugs on 6.12, which is the current LTS, and void pretty much always hops from LTS to LTS for the default kernel
<kris_>
everything else i have is on 6.12.*
<kris_>
^ said bug only matters for gaming
<sad_plan>
I see
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<kris_>
ive had such a bad track record with amdgpu recently that i'd probably knee jerk purchase an nvidia gpu if their drivers actually worked on musl
<kris_>
for the moment it's fine though
<sad_plan>
the performance difference between nvidia and noveua is negliable if you ask me. atleast lat time I checked. theres some features missing though, like temp reading
<sad_plan>
this was atleast in my case. others experience might differ
<sad_plan>
I did however have some issues with noveau, today actually. I was trying to launch couple of the games I just downloaded, and kept getting a black screen if I didnt alt-tab out of the game. for some wierd reason..
<sad_plan>
seems the driver is somewhat hit or miss
<kris_>
do you mean nvk or just oldschool nouveau
<kris_>
because on newer gpus raw nouveau can't upclock
<kris_>
unless it's changed recently
<kris_>
i dont really know much about how that ecosystem of software works, i havent owned an nvidia card in a while
<kris_>
if i were to get a new gpu right now it'd probably be an intel arc b580 because i do a lot of video work and it's more or less identical to my 6700xt as far as gaming performance goes
<sad_plan>
I think its just nouveau chimera linux was using. I didnt have any issues on chimera anyway
<EliSoli>
How can I enable support for microphone on the default kernel config? I have a webcam with mic and I'd like to use it with pipewire
<sewn>
check gentoo wiki + menuconfig search
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<asimov>
gentoo have likely all you need for kernel config
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<kris_>
so the VM bugs ive been complaining about don't happen on void glibc so i guess that's that
<sad_plan>
nothings better than that I suppose :p
<kris_>
better is not getting skill checked by a complete lack of logs or any relevant indicators as to what causes that on void musl
<kris_>
kiss linux kvm host eta when
<sad_plan>
I agree, when?
<sewn>
huh
<kris_>
The Anomaly
<kris_>
i should get some ants
<sad_plan>
why would you want to get ants?
<kris_>
wouldnt an ant colony be cool
<kris_>
like in a controlled sense
<sad_plan>
ive seen it on movies. and yeah, sure, with a glass panel, you could potentially see all their tunnels and stuff
<sad_plan>
although im pretty sure I would choose a cat every day of the year as oposed to ants
<sad_plan>
see r/catdistrobutionsystem on how you could potentially get yourself a free cat :p
<kris_>
oh i would love to have a cat but the people i live with are allergic to them
<kris_>
and they dont like the names i've chosen for cats
<sad_plan>
theres pills for that you know
<sad_plan>
albeit not for your potentially silly names
<kris_>
i dont get why they can't understand my desire to name a cat "nuclear bomb"
<kris_>
we can even call it nuke for short
<sad_plan>
great name. I woldnt name mine nuke, but I like it
<kris_>
bucket truck is another good name
<sad_plan>
lol
<kris_>
do you have any cats
<sad_plan>
we do
<sad_plan>
we have 8
<kris_>
wtf that's awesome
<sad_plan>
we used to have 10, but had to put some of them down unfortunatly. but yeah, we really like cats
<sad_plan>
people are usually put of by the fact that we have 8 cats though. so thats nice for a change :p
<kris_>
i used to have 2, always outdoors though because allergies
<kris_>
and yeah 8 cats is fine as long as you keep the hair clean
<sad_plan>
no biggie here. we vaccum more or less every day, and they can come and go inside/outside as they please through the cat door
<sad_plan>
our old neighbour also had 10 cats actually. so ironically, in our street alone, there were 20+ cats. there were like 5 houses on that street
<kris_>
cat colony
<sad_plan>
indeed
<sad_plan>
pretty sure the other neighbour were sick and tired of our cats running around in their lawn though lol
<sad_plan>
infact I was patentially waiting for one of them going into their house aswell, but I dont belive it ever happened
<kris_>
better cats than dogs with that typically
<kris_>
we used to have issues with neighbors dogs just completely destroying stuff around our house
<sad_plan>
damn, thats not good. I had a dog once, which had separation anxiety, and she ruined several of my things. including the floor, part of the stairs, ripped the wall on couple other things. but atleast it was my stuff
<sad_plan>
I would be pretty horrified if it were someone elses stuff
<kris_>
really we weren't that mad the first 2 times it happened but then it became clear the owner of the dog just didn't care
<kris_>
like would not make any attempt to stop that
<sad_plan>
some people should really not have animals at all
<kris_>
yeah it can be a mess
<sad_plan>
for sure
<kris_>
eventually probably once i live by myself i'll get a cat
<kris_>
but ant colony is also cool
<kris_>
but i feel like having an indoors ant colony + a cat is a mixture that is going to result in disaster
<sad_plan>
I have a feeling that you might end up with ants where theres not supposed to be ants with that combo
<kris_>
ant entropy
<sad_plan>
yes
<sad_plan>
every day is a supprise. do you have ants where there shouldnt be ants today? no? hurray
<kris_>
wonder how difficult it would be to write a replacement for NUT
<kris_>
later on i may set up a raspberry pi to serve the function of being plugged into my UPS and broadcasting a network wide shutdown when the battery gets low instead of just plugged into my server and only shutting down my server but this solution seems kind of sucky
<sad_plan>
hm, sounds convinient. this way you dont have to fsck on everything in case of powerloss for longer periods of time
<sad_plan>
which may or may not lead to dataloss
<kris_>
i'm a little bit more confident in xfs than i should be but ive cut power to my xfs desktop randomly easily 500+ times and never even got it to fsc
<kris_>
fsck*
<kris_>
but NUT is cool
<sad_plan>
yeah Ive also forced off my laptop numerous times when I was xfs, no issues really
<kris_>
one thing i just noticed is that i dont have the qemu guest agent installed on any of my virtual machines, minor oversight
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<kris_>
so i figure when my server catches a poweroff signal it just kills the VMs
<sad_plan>
hm, im considering utilizing local git remotes for rcpm instead of messing with tarballs and shit to keep track of package content and so on. would probably integrate better with oasis
<sad_plan>
I see
<kris_>
having a local git would be cool
<sad_plan>
what are you even using all those wms for?
<kris_>
i treat virtual machines like containers because i dont care much about overhead
<sad_plan>
yeah, Im having a hard time with some of this stuff in rc. and just using git instead would leviate some of those things
<sad_plan>
ah
<kris_>
on one box i have a wireguard vm and a vm for my dns proxy, that's just a little thin client that i use for network stuff separate from my big server
<sad_plan>
I would also not have to worry about tarballs at all really, because I could just remove the files in the repo. and revert if I wanna reinstall
<kris_>
big server at the moment isnt really doing much, just jellyfin and where i put files but soon i intend on hosting a few more things
<kris_>
potentially a local forgejo and some sort of backup solution
<kris_>
right now my backups are just "copy and paste onto my server over sftp when i remember to do it"
<kris_>
i still need to try oasis, is it actively maintained/developed
<sad_plan>
how many servers do you got really? when you talk about it, it kinda sounds like you run a server farm of sorts
<sad_plan>
well kinda. mcf pushes some stuff from time to time, but mostly its just me making prs, and rnpnr
<sad_plan>
mcf is really busy afaik
<kris_>
two VM hosts at the moment so nothing big
<sad_plan>
with what, I have no clue
<sad_plan>
I see
<kris_>
my network setup is just way more complicated than it needs to be more or less
<kris_>
at some point i may see about renting out some rack space in a datacenter and starting my own vps provider
<kris_>
i feel like it's a really low bar as far as that goes, all cloud providers are terrible
* kris_
wishes he lived in switzerland where you can easily get like 20 gig fiber to your house
<Guest85>
has anyone else recently been having issues compiling mesa? installed gkiss onto one of my older laptops a couple days ago and synced with repositories using kiss u and then attempting to kiss b swayfx. it can get close to finishing the compilation, but eventually stops, complaining about there being 'no matching function for call to
<Guest85>
'clang::CompilerInstance::createDiagnostics(clang::TextDiagnosticPrinter*)'. the error always happens while compiling mesa, and i haven't been using any binary repos.
<sad_plan>
kris_: krisVPS when? that would kinda be decent. im playing with a thought of having a pubnix, although instead of running a mainstream distro, it would run oasis, or my oakiss rather
<kris_>
getting rack space in a datacenter is pretty expensive so definitely not any time soon unless i buy a handful of IP addresses and host out of my bedroom or something lol
<sad_plan>
figured as much. I dont recall who I watched, but some youtube did this, and the price was just awefull
<sad_plan>
I think they even brought their own hardware
<kris_>
idk one of my friends who lives in zurich is really lucky because she can literally just get 25 gigabit symmetrical internet and buy IP addresses for super cheap
<kris_>
so if she were so inclined could quite literally just put a few racks in her house and go
<kris_>
i dont really get access to that kind of bandwidth because i'm american
<sad_plan>
nice. here the speeds are not even close. I think we can get a 1G line where I live, and thats at most
<kris_>
yeah, same here
<kris_>
and sadly we have to pay an extra 30 usd per month for unlimited bandwidth that still has an asterisk
<sad_plan>
im also amazed by people talking about those immens speeds. seeing as here I am and am happy with measly <100Mbps download speeds on highspeed servers. hell even a quarter of that would be good lol
<sad_plan>
I kinda hate those asterisks they put up. damn just give me unlimited, or dont call it unlimted
<kris_>
i have gig down and 400mbps up at the moment, not entirely sure why
<kris_>
my father just randomly upgraded it because he thought id want it even though i think gig is almost always completely unnecessary
<kris_>
for home connections, i mean
<sad_plan>
I think I have 150 down, and like 25 up or something like that. we dont have fiber atm, use some coaxial stuff
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<kris_>
yeah we also do not have fiber
<sad_plan>
yeah I think having about those speeds we have now is more than enough. maybe get better up speeds because I do try to seed on my desktop. but thats mostly not a me problem really
<kris_>
i "dedicate" 200mbps of my upload to seeding stuff
<kris_>
really could do 350mbps nobody needs that much upload speed lol
* sad_plan
squints in envy
<kris_>
we got a price cut when this happened though
<kris_>
my father was on the phone yelling at some poor tech at my ISP for like 2-3 hours
<sad_plan>
I wanna build a server at home aswell. I really like those miniracks that jeff gerling posted some time ago. they look really nice
<kris_>
this whole thing started because of the ISP equipment not letting me change wireless settings outside of SSID/passphrase
<sad_plan>
poor employer
<kris_>
and forcing wifi 6
<kris_>
which means half of my familys shit is too old to connect
<sad_plan>
I see
<kris_>
ISP box is just my modem now though so they dont have control over what i can or can't do anymore
<sad_plan>
I had issues with my pixel 4a actually when we moved. I could never get it to reconnect to the network. I always had to reauthenticate
<kris_>
but they gave us a free speed upgrade when he threatened to move ISPs so lol