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<drmcstsr>
can somebody try to build vis? it fails for me
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<kris_>
cant believe john redcorn got shot
<asimov>
i dont even know who is
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<drmcstsr>
welp, i've tried to include everything that lsmod reports and kernel still won't boot
<drmcstsr>
maybe i should try to build the kernel using .config from proc.gz as a base and then try to identify what modules are being loaded to mount rootfs.
<kris_>
asimov never seen king of the hill?
<kris_>
the voice actor for john redcorn in that show got shot apparently
<kris_>
hate crime situation
<thomas_adam>
What a sheltered life some live!
<kris_>
may be getting a hyundai soon, han from tokyo drift would be disappointed
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<midfavila>
kris_: tfw america
<midfavila>
jfc
<midfavila>
going to have to swim to the UK at this point
<kris_>
which one, john redcorn getting shot or the car?
<midfavila>
getting shot
<midfavila>
but you should have gotten a bike
<midfavila>
smdh
<kris_>
pretty rare situation
<kris_>
but it is insane that he got shot just for being gay though
<midfavila>
didnt america just revoke protections for queer people tho
<midfavila>
so people are going to feel pretty emboldened to be extra shit
<kris_>
idk if you even read the entire thing but the person who did this also somehow got their hands on the skull of their dead dog and placed it in clear view at their old house
<kris_>
said old house they burned down as well
<midfavila>
creates an environment where being awful to other people including violently going after them
<kris_>
like the entire situation is **fucked**
<kris_>
and yes things like this are increasing in frequency due to the current admin making them feel justified
<midfavila>
i saw a report about a lesbian woman getting attacked by homophobes
<midfavila>
when she like, went to mcdonalds
<midfavila>
which, america moment,
<midfavila>
but still
<midfavila>
what the hell
<kris_>
yeah it's tough
<midfavila>
wasn't like, a "little" thing, either, insofar as any of that can be "little"
<midfavila>
they like
<midfavila>
really fucking went off on this lady
<midfavila>
let me see if i can find the article...
<kris_>
yeah there's only really like a limited amount of places where lgbt+ people are "probably safe" left in the country
<kris_>
my city is one of those statistical anomalies where you'll get the shit beaten out of you for being a homophobe and not the other way around
<midfavila>
have to wonder if canada will step in and offer assistance
<kris_>
im guessing not
<midfavila>
should probably be doing that instead of sending materiel to israel
<midfavila>
but no
<midfavila>
"we go on vacations to america"
<kris_>
a lot of my trans friends have been trying to get into another country right now becuase their lives are literally in danger
<kris_>
no other countries have let that happen thus far
<midfavila>
a victory for global liberalism
<midfavila>
smdh
<midfavila>
enlightenment values my ass
<midfavila>
but no canada is too busy building pipelines and pretending it's not literally on fire to do anything useful
<kris_>
not many of us want to go to canada anyway
<midfavila>
fair
<midfavila>
canada is a shithole among developed countries
<kris_>
most people ive spoken to would rather go to one of the nordic countries like norway/finland
<kris_>
(id love to go to norway personally)
<midfavila>
i'd love to go to any country in europe
* midfavila
dies
<kris_>
would you?
<kris_>
the EU is a shitshow
<kris_>
only like germany and poland voted against chat control
<midfavila>
the eu doesn't have scurvy afaik
<midfavila>
lmao
<kris_>
every country on the planet is absolutely a joke
<midfavila>
cheaper to buy a house in europe and you get paid better in the western countries at least
<kris_>
i never hear anything about new zealand
<kris_>
other than the fact that you can't buy cigarettes there now anymore unless you're grandfathered in
<kris_>
to be clear i find that completely ridiculous, if people want to smoke they should be allowed to
<kris_>
iirc in some places in australia now the police dont even need a warrant or anything to demand access to your personal devices
<midfavila>
i don't agree
<midfavila>
tobacco products should be tightly regulated and controlled
<midfavila>
they're a massive drain on the public health service
<kris_>
honestly i hold the mentality that if i want to inhale tobacco it's entirely my choice
<midfavila>
and a tool of exploitation by the ruling class against the working class
<midfavila>
okay but
<midfavila>
like
<kris_>
there are certain things that need to be restricted though
<midfavila>
i have to deal with the consequences of that choice
<kris_>
i smoke actually just tobacco with no additives
<midfavila>
like if we're talking
<midfavila>
plain tobacco
<midfavila>
okay, that's one thing
<midfavila>
but cigs and shit?
<kris_>
tobacco that gets sprayed down with garbage and then packed into cigs should be illegal
<midfavila>
absolutely not
<midfavila>
yeah
<kris_>
just natural tobacco isnt even remotely as bad for you
<kris_>
*some* cigarettes are fine enough though
<kris_>
like on the very rare occasion i smoke one its usually an american spirits black which is theoretically just natural ass tobacco
<kris_>
you're still inhaling the paper though
<midfavila>
yeah but tobacco-tobacco isn't exactly what people tend to go for when you mention tobacco
<midfavila>
if we're talking just tobacco or whatever sure
<midfavila>
but all that other shit, yeah, absolutely not
<kris_>
honestly im unclear on why they even do that
<midfavila>
i don't even think vapes should be like, a thing
<kris_>
american spirit blacks are natural tobacco and they're like the strongest you can buy
<kris_>
so it makes me wonder what the point of the sprays are
<kris_>
and on that note honestly ive been vaping since i was 11
<midfavila>
i just assume it has to do with profit margins at this point
<midfavila>
yeah and you probably shouldn't be taking enormous quantities of stimulants in general
<midfavila>
especially as a child in your developmental years
<midfavila>
that's kind of not amazing
<kris_>
as a child? no
<midfavila>
in general
<kris_>
as a grown adult? noone elses business
<kris_>
because at that point you should be aware of the potential consequences of doing so
<midfavila>
i don't think so
<midfavila>
that's a dangerous argument that can be used to deregulate plenty of things to the detriment of the country writ large
<midfavila>
just "make better choices"
<kris_>
everyone has their own line
<midfavila>
it ignores the circumstances people are in
<kris_>
i'm in favor of things like acid, dmt, shrooms being 100% legal as well
<kris_>
things like heroin and meth though? absolutely not
<midfavila>
if people feel the need to take piles of stimulants just to get through their day we should probably fix the reason they feel the need to take stims instead of just letting them go all in
* kris_
is a little bit of a hippie
<midfavila>
that goes for caffeine and shit too
<kris_>
the reason i have so many stims on a daily basis is because of untreated insomnia personally
<midfavila>
to be clear i don't *necessarily* have a problem with the like, abstract concept of substances. i personally abstain. but i alos don't think people should have the relationship they currently do with them
<kris_>
so i kinda just cope along with nearly or over a gram of caffeine per day
<midfavila>
yeah see you should just have access to the treatment you need
<midfavila>
and then it's not an issue
<kris_>
yeah but you also wouldn't prevent people from having caffeine would you
<kris_>
like caffeine really isnt that bad for you
<midfavila>
i would tightly regulate the sources of caffeine in the public diet
<midfavila>
caffeine isn't that bad in moderation
<kris_>
neither is nicotine which is why vaping is fine and 99% of shit i see that is anti vaping is literally misinformation
<kris_>
like these "vaping deaths" people like to talk about are people buying fake weed cartridges and lying about them being normal vapes
<midfavila>
nicotine is an exceptionally addictive substance that can cause intense withdrawal. that in and of itself deserves regulation.
<midfavila>
the same goes for caffeine.
<midfavila>
americans and canadians both consume wildly excessive quantities of caffeine
<kris_>
i figure pretty much the entire planet does
<midfavila>
you say it's "not bad", but it can lead to, for example, chronic insomnia
<midfavila>
which leads to a cycle
<midfavila>
and *that* is harmful
<midfavila>
i'm not saying we should ban tea or whatever
<midfavila>
i'm saying we probably shouldn't leave it up to "the market" aka rich people to decide what should be in the public diet
<kris_>
ive felt a lot better personally after almost completely stopping my sugar intake
<midfavila>
yeah sugar is super bad for ou
<midfavila>
you
<kris_>
like zero sugar energy drink mixtures and shit now
<kris_>
and i dont really drink soda
<midfavila>
i have a strict limit of 32g a day at most
<midfavila>
of added
<midfavila>
usually i don't get any
<midfavila>
i don't notice any difference in taste, just feel less shit
<kris_>
it is interesting how awful sugar is for people despite it being crucial in our evolution
<kris_>
like people have such a strong reaction to it because of blah blah reward system for finding ripe fruit
<midfavila>
it's really more about our relationship with it
<midfavila>
and the conditions that have cultivated it
<midfavila>
like, honey on toast or in tea or an apple or two isn't going to kill you
<kris_>
idk our society makes it way too easy to overindulge in pretty much anything
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
because we leave it up to the market
<midfavila>
and the market is going to hook you on shit because it makes them fuckloads of money
<midfavila>
and it creates new problems that the market can monetise the solutions to
<kris_>
i usually say blame the population not the corporation
<midfavila>
hard fucking disagree
<kris_>
like i don't really blame microsoft for doing microsoft things
<kris_>
i blame the society for being complicit
<midfavila>
gigantic mega uber disagree
<midfavila>
you're completely wrong
<kris_>
fundamentally we have a society that encourages this type of leech-y shitty behavior
<midfavila>
people don't choose "bad things". they make the best choice they can in what they perceive as their best interest
<midfavila>
nobody in a sane state would intentionally choose a thing they perceive as sub-optimal
<kris_>
to me this sounds like "we need regulation because people can't think for themselves"
<midfavila>
we leave the market in charge of so much that it moulds people's conditions to force them to make poor choices
<midfavila>
no
<kris_>
at which point i'll probably bring up better education
<midfavila>
it's not
<kris_>
but better is kinda arbitrary
<midfavila>
it's that we never fucking ask who chooses what choices are available
<midfavila>
when you're a single mom raising two kids and working three fucking jobs in a recession, what choices do you have?
<kris_>
you're probably right
<midfavila>
how the fck are you supposed to feed yourself doing that let alone your kids?
<kris_>
i understand that a lot of people don't have a choice
<midfavila>
if you're some homeless kid with no support from anyone, are you going to fucking...
<kris_>
but something has to tip
<kris_>
eventually
<midfavila>
make the kale salad for 20$ a portion, or eat the dollar menu burger?
<kris_>
that being either strict regulations or the general population being like "no. i'm done."
<kris_>
#2 probably won't eve rhappen
<kris_>
tbf
<midfavila>
i don't fucking *care* about the first-world-problem-havers in the so-called "middle class"
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
i lived that
<midfavila>
fuck you
<midfavila>
and i still have to deal with the consequences of it because the state refused to provide any meaningful support to me or people in my situation
<kris_>
as you know i've been in a similar situation
<kris_>
i just don't have an answer
<midfavila>
and then i have to listen to people screech about "choices" when nobody in that situation *has* a choice
<midfavila>
the *answer* is to break up large companies
<midfavila>
and to institute extensive protections for the welfare of the common people
<kris_>
correct which is never going to happen because of how things are organized unless the root of the tree shakes the top
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<kris_>
like the US government is not going to suddenly start regulating itself
<midfavila>
yeah well didn't those founding father assholes say something about patriots and trees
<kris_>
eveyrone there benefits
<kris_>
this thinkpad keyboard is driving me nuts with spelling mistakes, its like some keys have a delayed register
<kris_>
>something about patriots and trees
<midfavila>
rip
<kris_>
i have legitimately no idea
<kris_>
something about george washington and a cherry tree but that's a kids tale for like "don't lie to people"
<kris_>
what apparently is real is that all of our founding fathers were major potheads
<midfavila>
"he tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."
<kris_>
super based honestly all of the founding fathers smoking hemp
<midfavila>
the founding fathers were pieces of shit
<kris_>
and then it became illegal in what, the 20s or something? because of racism
<kris_>
they were pieces of shit yes
<midfavila>
who tore up their fellow countrymen because of a fucking tax cut
<midfavila>
the american revolution was a complete fucking farc
<midfavila>
farce
<midfavila>
created by the rich for the benefit of the rich
<kris_>
*that* is an interesting take
<midfavila>
no normal fucking person gives half a rat's ass about "muh representation"
<midfavila>
in parliament
<midfavila>
they just want their little house and their little treats and to be fucking left alone
<kris_>
pretty much the only point we were ever taught about that in school is that our british overlords were controlling us despite being on the other side of the planet
<kris_>
and it was a move of "we're self sustaining, stop telling us what to do"
<kris_>
american culture is founded around disregarding others and being rebellious
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
i know
<midfavila>
i'm canadian
<midfavila>
we deal with it every day
<midfavila>
:|
<kris_>
i know but your opinion and view on this is valuable from my perspective
<kris_>
as someone who isn't from the US
<kris_>
i always wonder how it appears externally
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