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<midfavila>
holy shit guys
<midfavila>
my desktop just managed to boot
<midfavila>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
* midfavila
furiously backs up everything
<midfavila>
we are so back
<kris_>
you have been given power
<midfavila>
yes
<kris_>
fuck i am so tired
<midfavila>
hoping to replace the disk drive, install this, and continue development work
<midfavila>
go beb
* midfavila
tucks kris_ in
<kris_>
it's only 9pm
<midfavila>
sleepytime
<midfavila>
no excuses
<kris_>
i won't be able to sleep as long as i need to
<kris_>
Alice In Chains - No Excuses
<kris_>
good song
<midfavila>
going to revoke ur g-fuel privileges i swear
<midfavila>
smdh
<kris_>
ill have you know that i only had 160mg of caffeine today
<midfavila>
oh that's not bad actually
<kris_>
yeah thats like an actual just normal ass fine amount
<kris_>
i think anyway
<midfavila>
ye
<kris_>
i should measure my heart rate
<midfavila>
i think the daily limit is around 450mg?
<kris_>
once i hit around a gram my resting rate is usually around 90bpm
<kris_>
like full complete resting rate
<kris_>
oh huh right now i'm at 90 or my pinetime is wrong
<midfavila>
i mean that's not like
<midfavila>
literally the worst
<kris_>
i wonder if being extremely sleepy raises heart rate or some shit because normally my resting rate with no caffeine is around 67
<kris_>
high 60s low 70s
<midfavila>
i think i'm usually the same
<kris_>
but yeah i need to sleep the entire night because i have work tomorrow
<kris_>
"work"
<kris_>
an irl friend is paying me to watch his 3 kids mon-fri from 8:30am to ~4pm
<kris_>
like every other week
<kris_>
tbh given they're mostly self sustaining it's the perfect time for me to remote into my desktop and get some shit done
<kris_>
it's so overpowered to have a t480 with the extended batt and fresh internal one and put like zero load on it and just do everything via my desktop remotely
<sewn>
after carefully removing hairs from my cpu pins
* midfavila
headpats
<sewn>
I hate gigabyte I hate gigabyte I hate gigabyte
<kris_>
sewn lmfao
<kris_>
your issues were due to hair in your cpu socket??
<sewn>
I'm not exactly sure
<sewn>
they're all so unrelated I can't connect them
<sewn>
like my mobo wouldn't post
<sewn>
fixed itself from reseating cpu and mem constantly
<sewn>
ssd wouldn't appear
<sewn>
reseated CPU + removed a hair
<sewn>
ssd appeared
<sewn>
and stopped appearing
<sewn>
reseat
<sewn>
appeared
<sewn>
I hate this computer but I love it when it works
<kris_>
bad socket design honestly
<sewn>
or just bad computer
<kris_>
sewn generally amd platforms are not very stable in general in my experience
<kris_>
the solution is to ptm7950 on the CPU and then just never remove the cpu cooler or cpu again if it's varying by reseat
<sewn>
I have an intel cpu meow
<kris_>
you Lied
<sewn>
when did I say I have amdcpu
<kris_>
(you may not have, i might be thinking of someone else)
<thomas_adam>
midfavila: With XWaykabd you don't have to port fvwm at all -- but you're still at the mercy of how much stuff in XWayland is added from Xorg -- which will likely hamper fvwm's capabilities somewhat as it won't be running against Xorg "proper". As for porting fvwm to wayland, see: https://gist.github.com/ThomasAdam/5377540b3025f7f04735d96ee64354fd
<sewn>
kiedtl: congratulations on that zig-bin
<sewn>
I've come across it a year ago and its still happening :D wonderful
<kiedtl>
>I no longer care about solving this problem
<kiedtl>
wtf kind of comment is this
<kiedtl>
just...leave it open?
<kiedtl>
and anyway rebuilding env thing is a retarded workaround imo, zig should not be doing stuff like that
<kiedtl>
oh wait you made that comment
<kiedtl>
lol
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<sewn>
pfft
<sewn>
midfavila: TIL that using two seperate pcie power cables over one+daisychain doubles my gpu performance
<sewn>
pain in the ass to cable manage but fuck its worth it
<kris_>
sounds like a less than ideal power supply
<sewn>
90fps -> 180fps
<sewn>
well
<kris_>
but that also often reduces coil whine
<kris_>
i do that with mine for that reason
<sewn>
the PSU is really nice
<sewn>
I'd rather live with that lol
<sewn>
it is crazy how big of a difference this makes
<sewn>
also kiedtl
<sewn>
git-bruh personally told me that he fixed it a long time ago
<sewn>
so meow
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<sewn>
kiedtl: you just opened a duplicate
<sewn>
#1813 -> #1724 (6 months ago)
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<midfavila>
sewn: >powering your stuff makes it work
<midfavila>
first zoomers discover terminals, now they discover electricity
<midfavila>
:3c
<sewn>
midfavila I used a pigtail connector
<sewn>
how was I supposed to know
* midfavila
pats
<midfavila>
i'm glad it works now tho
<midfavila>
i only use single slot cards so = w=
<midfavila>
i have to wonder how tinycore is going to deal with wayland
<midfavila>
they still use tinyx
<midfavila>
actually, you know what, same with hyperbola
<midfavila>
i doubt they'll dump their xenocara port
<midfavila>
also thanks for the writeup thomas_adam. it's really unfortunate that we might be looking at the end of desktop UX on unix as we know it. X has its problems but the diversity and flexibility of X is one of the reasons i've yet to switch to wayland
<thomas_adam>
midfavila: Indeed. We'll see, but from what I've seen from all these "portals" (which are just EWMH reimaginings), it's all going to shit...
<midfavila>
the thing that gets me about wayland is that even from an enduser perspective it's not really that much of an improvement. i won't argue that x.org specifically is utterly enormous, but to throw out all of X11... eh.
<midfavila>
plus, dragging in GTK5 or similar mandates a whole pile of dependencies. might not matter for most, but being able to still build X without truetype is legitimately something that benefits me
<midfavila>
...not to mention i just don't need it and enjoy being a contrarian. but, meh.
<nath>
all the big dependencies on most of important wayland stuf kinda irks me as well even if i do use it
<nath>
like why does wlroots need llvm
<midfavila>
just gonna switch to mezzano in the future smdh
<nath>
is mezzano like another display server
<midfavila>
it's an OS written entirely in common lisp
<midfavila>
i'm sure they're all part of the redhat controlled new humanoid gestalt hivemind though lol
<nath>
freedesktop is pretty much just said reedhat hivemind lol
<midfavila>
i mean okay fair enough to some degree i guess
<fultilt>
I just checked -- wlroots _doesn't_ depend on llvm. At least not directly, and I'm not immediately seeing any of its deps that seem likely to.
<nath>
i had to compile it when building wlroots, maybe its just for compile time?
<fultilt>
I'm trying it on a fresh(-ish) install of KX, we'll find out in a few minutes (it'll take a while for Mesa to compile). Of course, if you configured your Mesa to use llvmpipe, that'd do it...
<nath>
that probably explains it then
<sewn>
what idiot said wlroots needs llvm
<nath>
me
<sewn>
what made you think that
<nath>
had it pulled in as a dependency when building it thru kiss
<nath>
probably not a hard requirement though i coulda probably done some black magic to exclude it
<sewn>
probably recursed from mesa
<nath>
ye maybe
<sewn>
and linking to mesa etc
<fultilt>
All done, wlroots built and there's no llvm in /kx/store/.
<nath>
welp gjuess im a dumbass then
<fultilt>
I agree that Wayland is really not better than X11, just different. Although I've recently become a fan of scrolling-tiling window managers (like Niri), and Wayland's model of the screen fits those a lot better. Yesterday I got Scroll (scrolling-tiling fork of Sway) running on my OrangePi RV2, very happy about that!
<nath>
the idea of scrolling wms sounds kinda sick