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<kris_> i'm so annoyed and confused
<kris_> i fucking hate openrc so god damn much
<kris_> tldr, libvirtd on gentoo was REMOVING my firewall rules, which is not behavior ive seen on any other distro ever
<kris_> nftables runs BEFORE net does, net ups interfaces
<kris_> libvirtd depends on net to be up before itll launch, meaning nftables should have already set up its rules
<kris_> >depend nftables with libvirtd explicitly, doesn't blow up my firewall rules
<kris_> this type of stuff is why i will never take anything other than runit seriously, there's too much undefined behavior
<kris_> ive not found anything that would explain why this is happening, everything is all default services as gentoo ships them
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<Vova> midfavila: do you think it'd be a good idea to "sanitize" every packages in the repo and community to enforce the style guide for them ?
<asimov> hi guys
<asimov> question
<Vova> midfavila: I made this to check the style of package https://codeberg.org/Ogromny/kiss_styles_enforcer
<asimov> how do you host your personal website? And its a good idea to host your own server?
<asimov> i mean domain and those things
<sewn> no
<sewn> ba#ld idea
<asimov> security problems?
<asimov> i mean firewall and your connections
<kris_> asimov: i just have a vps running void with caddy to serve my website
<asimov> what is your vps provider?
<sewn> asimov: "I will maintain s server just to host a website"
<sewn> stupid
<sewn> use github/codeberg pages
<kris_> i use hetzner
<kris_> and sewn is correct, you shouldn't maintain a whole server just for a website
<sewn> yippee
<kris_> codeberg pages works well in my experience
<kris_> like if you have other things you also want to host publicly that aren't static pages, *then* get a vps
<kris_> asimov: i also feel required to tell you that hetzner will likely comply with any law enforcement or anything really even without a warrant
<kris_> and no, i can't tell you who told me that but it's *well informed*
<sewn> I have a vps
<asimov> thanks guys
<sewn> and I dont really like it
<kris_> i have an incredibly overkill local network, i could easily host stuff on WAN
<asimov> i just planned to host a piracy website and a personal
<sewn> soon I'll move to local
<kris_> just havent yet because i still want to mask my IP and havent figured out how i wanna proxy it
<asimov> but vps is kinda problem for piracy
<kris_> just get some old computer to use as a seedbox locally
<sewn> yes
<asimov> i have a old laptop
<kris_> or, the kris_ approach, a fat computer locally to host VMs on for all of this various shit
<asimov> so maybe just a home server and remote things on it
<kris_> and yes you could do that
<kris_> built in UPS too if the battery works
<sewn> lol
<kris_> sewn: how's your experience on chimera been stability wise
<kris_> have you had many like untested changes pushed that blew up something
<sewn> never had any problems
<kris_> i may just go ask q66, she's so nice
<sewn> I'll have to go to the irc archives for that one
<sewn> also
<sewn> q66 was casually :3ing when the whole thing happened
<sewn> she finds it quite funny
<kris_> like idk its rare to see a community that isn't immediately on my ass for technically saying something wrong
<sewn> lol
<kris_> and yes i like the drama with them recently lol
<kris_> that makes me want to use it tbh
<sewn> what have I been saying vro
<sewn> also chimera on vps
<sewn> its mwah
<sewn> package building could be better but its fine lol
<kris_> sewn: stinky it didn't matter what you had been saying until i started having random things on void explode
<kris_> and now it does
<kris_> :troll:
<sewn> are you calling me stinky
<kris_> on a serious note though, i put gentoo on my local server and the nftables defaults are fucking BAAAAD
<kris_> like so bad that they're actually just outright dangerous
<kris_> and there's no good reason for it other than potentially stupidity
<sewn> I love nftables
<kris_> as far as ive gathered
<kris_> tldr, if you install libvirt and nftables on gentoo and use them as they come, libvirt will REMOVE your nftables firewall rules and allow all traffic
<kris_> i *also* noticed, unrelated to that, nftables will save its current rules to the config file on service stop or restart
<kris_> aka when you reboot
<kris_> so if *anything* changes your nftables rules, it's saved silently
<sewn> lame
<kris_> its fixable but its just so dumb that i don't exactly have confidence lol
<kris_> and no, i don't want to use chimera on my vps
<kris_> or lan server
<kris_> i might just eat my words and use alpine for servers but idk i have analysis paralysis
<asimov> now the big question
<asimov> are you watching the world club cup?
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<sewn> who cares
<sewn> :3
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<asimov> all latino america
<asimov> is culture
<asimov> all the wolrd deal with war for solving territory problems
<asimov> in latino america proably we will deal territory problems with futboll
<asimov> ukrain vs russia can easily be ended in one futboll match in my vision
<sewn> slav ukrain
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<midfavila> Vova: ask phoebos lmao
<midfavila> i don't use upstream much any more
* kris_ loves tmux
<midfavila> mtm + dtach better tho
<kris_> midfavila: there's always something better
<kris_> also
<kris_> im wondering if i even need libvirt
<kris_> i could write a qemu frontend in like a day
<kris_> i wonder if virt-viewer still works with qemu+ssh remotely without libvirt
<kris_> the only reason im using virt-manager is to remotely control VMs
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<phoebos> Vova: as I said in the earlier linked comment, it doesn't matter that much. The style guide is a guide, and is most useful to help those new to writing packages. It's sometimes referred to if there's a more important problem or especially in new packages
<midfavila> idk dtach and mtm are pretty good
<Vova> phoebos: my bad, forgot that I had already ask lmao
<sewn> hrmph
<sewn> style guide should be followed
<sewn> why have it if its not used
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<midfavila> uhmm actually standards slow down innovation
<midfavila> we need to move fast so we can outmanoeuvre our competition
<midfavila> and uhhhh synergise effective products for our clients so we can generate maximum ROI ASAP for our shareholders
<midfavila> obviously
<phoebos> obviously
<midfavila> yes
<midfavila> oh good the new brunswick government has just gotten around to finding me a GP
<midfavila> ...two years after i left the province
<midfavila> phenomenal
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<riteo> ahhhh... free... at last.
<riteo> yea I kinda forgot to turn this thing back on
<midfavila> tsk tsk
<sewn> meiw
<kris_> riteo: free of what
<midfavila> can you eat real food again!? :O
<kris_> midfavila: me?
<kris_> i feel like that's targeted
<kris_> unless i'm not the only one that eats like a based individual typically
<midfavila> no riteo has been living off of gruel for the past while
<midfavila> it's tragic
<midfavila> no spaghetti
<midfavila> no meat-a-balls
<midfavila> just gruel
<kris_> right, his situation with acid
<midfavila> then again it could also be school
<midfavila> isn't it coming out for summer now riteo? or did that finish a while ago?
<kris_> midfavila: ive been eating actual food every other week for the past while
<midfavila> nice
<kris_> my stomach is not happy but my mental state has rapidly shifted
<kris_> like just getting real cheese and meat and whatnot to make sandwiches and stuff @ the store instead of microwaving something has changed a lot
* kris_ loves sandwiches, the literal peak form of food
<midfavila> sandwiches are based
<kris_> sandwiches are like kiss linux if it was food
<kris_> you reap what you sow etc
<midfavila> i feel like kiss in food form is stir fry
<midfavila> you should make stir fry
<riteo> kris_: free from nothing, was just a reference
<riteo> as I finally came back
<kris_> o
<riteo> midfavila: no I can't eat real food again
<riteo> tomorrous is the big day where I go to the gastroenterologist
<riteo> I predict that he'll go like "uhh... gastroscopy then! Keep going for another two weeks!" or something
<riteo> if not even worse as I'm taking "stomach protections"
<riteo> I heard on the webz™ that certain analisys require you to go clean of certain medications for a whole month
<riteo> midfavila: I went out of high school last year!
<riteo> I should be studying for the university I'm in but I'm just kinda in limbo for now
<riteo> I kinda gave up this year and will re-enroll with hopefully will to live
<riteo> dunno chat sandwiches don't make me go crazy
<riteo> I'm more of the bread-on-the-side kind of person
<riteo> although they're useful to spice things up when you can only eat the same 3 ingredients
<riteo> but even in that case I find wraps to be a lot more satisfying
<kris_> i am a tortilla hater
<riteo> why
<riteo> like, wheat tortillas?
<riteo> I mean I don't eat those I eat piadinas which are like italian tortillas
<riteo> I'm not really sure of the differences
<riteo> ok apparently tortillas use corn flour
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<midfavila> riteo you can make tortillas from corn or wheat
<midfavila> i would eat tortillas more often but they're insanely expensive here
<midfavila> like $18/kg
<midfavila> because they're a "foreign" food
<midfavila> smdh
<midfavila> same with naan
<midfavila> lots of flatbreads tbqh
<midfavila> also
<midfavila> holy shit i am melting
<midfavila> it's like 32C but it feels way worse
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