<Vova>
ty phoebos but I just switched back to busybox I don't want to have more unpleasant surprise with sbase
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<sewn>
phoebos: honestly quite dissapointed its not a shell expansion feature
<sewn>
this means all programs implement - as path which is quite inconvenient
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<kris_>
Vova: i'm glad theres a rewrite i'm just not sold on it being a rust rewrite
<kris_>
we'll see how it goes but it looks like that's probably the way forward people have chosen
<kris_>
the main thing i dislike about all of these modern things is that they're rarely GPL'd
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<phoebos>
sewn: it's not that hard to support
<sewn>
sure
<sewn>
now do that for millions of programs
<phoebos>
?
<phoebos>
they mostly already do
<midfavila>
youtube is serving deepfakes of the prime minister from a company trying to get people into some sort of fintech scam lmfao
<midfavila>
thanks google, you pieces of shit
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<kris_>
>calling uni for IT helpdesk because their password shit is broken
<kris_>
>can you join our zoom room to show your drivers license
<kris_>
>install firefox on my laptop because librewolf i already know will not work, zoom website cannot access my camera
<kris_>
>join via firefox on my phone, says i need to install chrome
<kris_>
the modern world is a joke
<midfavila>
bro
<kris_>
lineageos has a super stripped down and private enough chromium browser of their own preinstalled so
<kris_>
that ended up working
<kris_>
poor IT guy was waiting on me for forever and i hit him with the "yeah zoom is mess on linux" and he just laughs and says "take your time man"
<sewn>
kris_: bother that is not chromium
<kris_>
maybe he understood idk i didnt wanna hold him up but this is soyware
<sewn>
kris_: bother u can use the zoom flatpak
<sewn>
just works
<kris_>
No
<sewn>
yea
<sewn>
yes
<sewn>
just works :3
<kris_>
the web client usually does too idk why firefox has no access to my webcam on my laptop
<kris_>
it worked fine with my desktop webcam but im not home rn
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<kris_>
oh for fucks sake
<kris_>
i disabled my webcam in the bios and forgot about it
<kris_>
JUST remembered
<midfavila>
lmao
<midfavila>
honestly this is the linux in school experience
<midfavila>
"okay kris_ that's a great presentation now i just need you to print it off for me so i can grade it"
<midfavila>
>print
<midfavila>
>that word
<midfavila>
>start sweating
<midfavila>
>heart in ears
<midfavila>
>palms dripping
<midfavila>
>pupils dilate
<sewn>
me when i just send it to my phone and print from there
<midfavila>
i remember when i was in college they forced everyone to take a computer literacy course for three months
<midfavila>
and it was literally
<kris_>
midfavila: yeah i have fucking no idea how to print stuff on linux
<midfavila>
"this is a monitor"
<kris_>
i havent used a printer in like 15 years
<midfavila>
"this is a keyboard"
<midfavila>
"this is a mouse"
<midfavila>
"this is how you write a word document"
<kris_>
"this is the button for the internet"
<midfavila>
YES
<midfavila>
SERIOUSLY
<kris_>
midfavila: at my last school i just used libreoffice
<midfavila>
it was like computers for people who had only ever used mechanical calculators
<kris_>
none of my professors complained
<midfavila>
see,
<midfavila>
the thing is
<midfavila>
i was using libreoffice
<midfavila>
like for my assignments
<midfavila>
and they had this bullshit automatic grading portal
<midfavila>
and it DIDNT ACCEPT LIBREOFFICE DOCUMENTS IN WORD FORMAT
<kris_>
thats actually so weird
<midfavila>
so i had to get them to give me an RDP setup
<kris_>
my last school also juts provided me with office 365 which has a web client so
<kris_>
that also works
<midfavila>
so i could rdp into a machine at the college from home, upload my document, open, save, and *then* upload
<kris_>
im just really hoping i don't end up being forced into windows for a >computer science bachelors
<midfavila>
you will be
<kris_>
everything is a web client these days so i hope not
<midfavila>
even if i didn't have to upgrade some of my credits because >high school during corona
<midfavila>
i wouldn't go into CS these days
<kris_>
i didn't need it before
<kris_>
for cybersec tbf
<midfavila>
waste of fucking time
<kris_>
its not
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<midfavila>
it absolutely is
<midfavila>
unless you really wanna work at starbucks
<kris_>
computer science bachelors at a highly well regarded school
<kris_>
work study so job experience too
<kris_>
job experience pays for IT certs
<kris_>
the trifecta
<kris_>
all at once
<midfavila>
>five years of experience
<kris_>
and it costs me nothing but time
<kris_>
midfavila: if this doesnt work im just going to go be a farmer
<midfavila>
>A+ sec+ net+ lin+ RCSE or whatever
<kris_>
i've been advised to skip the A+
<midfavila>
>bachelors with distinction minimum, masters ideal
<midfavila>
the A+ is bullshit
<kris_>
people responsible for hiring me told me the only reason im not getting hired is because i have quite literally zero jobs to list on my resume
<midfavila>
i just got my cert in the mail, it's just stupid trivia
<kris_>
and i'm clearly too overqualified for helpdesk
<kris_>
so the options are to dumb down my resume for helpdesk or to get job experience and certs
<kris_>
this solves these issues
<midfavila>
normally you would just intern in that situation
<midfavila>
not go to school
<kris_>
most internships require you to be in college
<midfavila>
wat
<midfavila>
god i hate the job market so fucking much aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<kris_>
i'm going to be working at redhat in like 2 years from now probably anyway
<midfavila>
yeah you wish buddy
<midfavila>
good luck
<sewn>
woaa
<midfavila>
maybe like ten years ago that would have happened
<kris_>
midfavila: no i'm very good friends with multiple employees there so i have a way in
<kris_>
they're hiring a bash guy tldr
<kris_>
and golang
<kris_>
i'd be working around the networkmanager stack
<midfavila>
i just wish i could take the time to fucking study at work but every five seconds someone comes in to ask me stupid questions about floors
<kris_>
yeah basically
<midfavila>
stg if i'm "the floor guy" in five years time i'll actually just shoot myself
<midfavila>
so tired of this shit
<kris_>
if i end up needing windows im going to cry
<kris_>
and just install virtualbox probably
<midfavila>
why not qemu
<kris_>
gpu acceleration is shit with qemu
<kris_>
same with vbox but its at least there
<midfavila>
is that necessary???
<midfavila>
i've never noticed any issues around that
<kris_>
sr-iov doesnt support 8th gen chips so
<kris_>
iirc
<midfavila>
man i just don't care about modern hardware
<midfavila>
haswell is fine
<midfavila>
everyone's always MoViNg FaSt aNd BrEaKiNg ThInGs
<midfavila>
how about we just make it work and call it a fuckin day
<midfavila>
like seriously the entire fucking tech industry is a goddamn scam
<midfavila>
why do we have twenty companies competing to make, idk, some fuckin fleet management shitware and then we need to train twenty different workforces to manage and operate that
<midfavila>
we could just have one *good* one
<kris_>
i get the feeling i'm going to regret this
<midfavila>
smdh i'm going to go touch grass
<kris_>
requiring windows is just goofy but i don't really think that'll be a problem
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<asimov>
hi guts
<midfavila>
griffith.jpeg
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<EliSoli>
Rohan is online:
<EliSoli>
?
<sewn>
yes he is asimov i think
<EliSoli>
\asimov
<EliSoli>
ugh i can't ping people in this new client
<EliSoli>
idk how to do it
<EliSoli>
asimov: maybe this way? I've seen people doing this
<sewn>
uhuh
<midfavila>
EliSoli pinging isn't an actual thing
<sewn>
midfavila they are new to irc
<midfavila>
usually your client just notifies you when it detects a string that matches your name
<sewn>
shut
<midfavila>
sewn since when
<midfavila>
oh
<midfavila>
wait
<midfavila>
eli is
<midfavila>
hasn't eli been around for a while?
<sewn>
uh oh
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<EliSoli>
yeah i've been around for some time but I'm relatively new to this IRC thing
<EliSoli>
I was born in 2005, I'm almost a baby
<kris_>
yeah just put someones name in a message and they'll probably get pinged
<kris_>
EliSoli
<EliSoli>
I had to RESEARCH how to use this
<EliSoli>
sure
<EliSoli>
thx
<kris_>
i did too
<EliSoli>
asimov
<kris_>
i'm not much older than you lol
<sewn>
im the oldest
<sewn>
:3
<kris_>
you're not
<sewn>
i am !!
<EliSoli>
:3 how old are you cuties?
<kris_>
either me or mid
<kris_>
out of "our" group
<kris_>
i'm 23
<sewn>
im 90
<midfavila>
shut up sewn
<midfavila>
sewn is a bby
<midfavila>
smol even
<sewn>
i am not smol
<midfavila>
tiny
<EliSoli>
sewn how tall are u?
<midfavila>
itty bitty
<sewn>
i am as tall as mid
<EliSoli>
kahfailiw y'all femboys for sure
<midfavila>
you wish :v
<EliSoli>
im not saying i didn't but...
<sewn>
ur weird eli
<EliSoli>
Ik, I come from Discord
<kris_>
i too come from discord
<EliSoli>
what did you expect
<midfavila>
hiss
<kris_>
joined for #voidlinux and stuck around for the #kisslinux
<midfavila>
only channel worth using t b h
<kris_>
nah theres a few cool ones
<sewn>
go on kris
* midfavila
waits for Eli to refer to channels as "servers"
<kris_>
#chimera-linux on oftc and #zfsbootmenu here
<sewn>
okay fair
<sewn>
but zfsbootmenu hell naw
<kris_>
#linux fucking sucks
<kris_>
sewn: i'm not there because i care about zfsbootmenu, i joined to ask questions related to implementing it on my installer and stayed because i had some good convos with people there
<kris_>
zfs is not something i'd like ever want to use
<sewn>
ohi see
<sewn>
okay i join and observe
<midfavila>
i once met a guy who was this like
<sewn>
i will stab if false
<kris_>
people kept pestering me to add zfs to my installer so
<kris_>
sewn: it's mostly just void devs chatting
<midfavila>
far-right born-again christian nationalist liberation 1776 type
<midfavila>
and also a furry
<sewn>
nevermind i am leaving
<midfavila>
and he never shut the fuck up about zfs
<kris_>
midfavila: all too common
<kris_>
i knew a guy who renamed himself to hans and bought nazi uniforms and started like dancing to dubstep with it on and stuff
<kris_>
last i heard he went broke due to a cocaine addiction
* midfavila
rubs his eyes tiredly
<midfavila>
why can't they just be normal political extremists
<midfavila>
like the left isn't like this
<midfavila>
...mostly
<kris_>
that asshole stole some of my work too
<midfavila>
...sometimes
<kris_>
"stole"
<kris_>
some of my 3d models for his roblocc game
<midfavila>
>he plays roblox
<midfavila>
okay look
<midfavila>
gonna be real with yuo
<midfavila>
you
<midfavila>
if you're above the age of thirteen and you play roblox i'm going to bully you
<kris_>
i play it like, sometimes
<midfavila>
yeah and i bully the fuck out of you
<kris_>
mostly with the kids i babysit because they wanna play games with me
<EliSoli>
ii aammm baackckk
<midfavila>
okay that's fair kris_
<kris_>
midfavila: look dude im not buying minecraft bedrock edition it's a waste of money
<midfavila>
it's better than letting them scrool on tiktok
<EliSoli>
i was writting a document for whatever this dude wanted
<kris_>
so the other option they can all play is roblox
<midfavila>
this is just sewn, it's part of their charm
* midfavila
headpats sewn
<sewn>
look at how they try to suppress me eli
<sewn>
I speak nothing but TRUTH
* EliSoli
hugs both mid and sewn
<midfavila>
trvthnvke
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<midfavila>
man
<midfavila>
do any of you know if there's like
<midfavila>
*good* resources on curss
<midfavila>
curses
<EliSoli>
there's a gurl in my house, daughter of a friend of my mom, should I invite her to my room to show my KISS install?
<midfavila>
other than just reading the source or spec
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<sewn>
midfavila: mid
<midfavila>
so many of the resources online only focus on ncurses, or they're just garbage
<sewn>
curses fucking sucks
<sewn>
use a proper tui library
<midfavila>
it's also the standard
<EliSoli>
ain't nobody need tui
<sewn>
pax is also the standard
<sewn>
no one fucking uses it
<sewn>
just because it standard doesn't mean its good
<midfavila>
and?
<midfavila>
so is ed
<midfavila>
i still like ed
<EliSoli>
ANSI codes are there so we don't need tui
<midfavila>
my beloved
<EliSoli>
ed fucking rocks
<midfavila>
<3 ed
<sewn>
I hate youuu
<kris_>
i can feel my bones twitch
<midfavila>
se is better but it's also from like the 70s
<midfavila>
so it's pre-standard C
<EliSoli>
PDP-11/20 <3
<midfavila>
sewn you love me don't lie
<midfavila>
i'm your favourite kiss user
* midfavila
nods
<EliSoli>
awwwnn, u so gay together, so cutieee
<sewn>
I hate all of yoy
<sewn>
smhmsj
* midfavila
furiously headpats sewn
<midfavila>
be good
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
there's an o'reilly curses book
<midfavila>
sick
<kris_>
the car store?
<midfavila>
what
<kris_>
o o o o'reilys
<kris_>
autoparts
<midfavila>
what are you on
<midfavila>
because i want some
<midfavila>
no, the like
<midfavila>
the textbook people
<kris_>
like 3 hours of sleep total the past few days
<midfavila>
go to bed jfc
<kris_>
in like
<kris_>
6 hours
<kris_>
to sleep another hour or two probably
<EliSoli>
asimov
<EliSoli>
where's asimov my beloved
<sewn>
I ate him
<EliSoli>
>:( don't!
<EliSoli>
be belongs to me
<sewn>
well too late
<sewn>
oh you did bad job
<kris_>
the problem is that i had to spend the night somewhere that isnt my house like night before last
<kris_>
i already cant fall asleep easily in my own bed
<kris_>
let alone at someone elses house
<kris_>
well rested kris_ would be wild i bet
<midfavila>
diphenhydramine is cheap and OTC
<kris_>
..benadryl?
<midfavila>
same shit they put in nyquil and shit yeah
<kris_>
i used to take it sometimes to knock myself out but it made me start sleepwalking
<sewn>
well rested kris_ is me
<midfavila>
i get like a three month supply of no-name diphenhydramine from the local pharmacy for like 12$
<kris_>
it also causes dementia with long term use, so
<kris_>
cant rely on that
<kris_>
unless you're cool w brain rotting
<midfavila>
if you're like fucking ancient and use it every night, sure
<midfavila>
if you use it on-label instead of experimenting on yourself it's fine
<kris_>
weed works fine ive just not gone and got my med card yet
<kris_>
not that i need a med card because it's legal i just want to
<kris_>
tax free:tm:
<midfavila>
i wish the government would allow pharmacies to sell cbd capsules
<kris_>
cbd doesnt do anything for me
<midfavila>
i would prefer to use cbd as a sleep aid but pharmacists can't stock anything related to cannabis
<kris_>
you can get cbd damn near anywhere here
<kris_>
because it's like the least psychoactive thing on earth
<midfavila>
only specially licenced cannabis stores can, and they inevitably just use medical stuff as an excuse
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
that's why
<midfavila>
see
<midfavila>
all the cannabis dispensaries here are like
<midfavila>
"dude weeeeeed huhuhuhuhuhuhuh"
<midfavila>
which, whatever, but i don't want thc
<midfavila>
i don't even want marijuana
<kris_>
i'm definitely after the thc
<midfavila>
and i definitely don't want fucking flintstones gummies
<kris_>
one of like 4 substances i have any respect for
<midfavila>
i want cbd isolate in a gel capsule the same as other meds
<kris_>
gives me an appetite, gives me the ability to fall asleep in like 10 minutes
<kris_>
resets my mood
<midfavila>
because i don't want to fucking meet the creator or whatever i just want to go to bed
<kris_>
weed is not going to = meet the creator
<midfavila>
it's called hyperbole
<kris_>
most people get unbelievably braindead insanity levels of high because they're buying like 99% concentrate and huffing it
<kris_>
normal flower does not rock people that badly
<kris_>
this concentrate garbage is so bad
<midfavila>
yeah i know
<midfavila>
that's why i hate the fucking
<midfavila>
muh muh natural medicine
<midfavila>
crowd
<midfavila>
because 99/100 times it's just a proxy
<kris_>
muh natural medicine = i just want to get fucked up
<midfavila>
yes
<kris_>
almost every time i hear it
<midfavila>
literally
<midfavila>
i have not met a single person, even people who had med cards before it was legalised, who wanted CBD
<midfavila>
all they want is THC
<midfavila>
which, you know what, whatever, sure,
<midfavila>
but be honest
<kris_>
i wanted and still want CBD
<kris_>
just not on its own
<midfavila>
just say you wanna get high
<midfavila>
it's fine
<midfavila>
insofar as like
<kris_>
CBD doesn't do anything on its own at all but it prevents you from getting *too* stoned
<midfavila>
getting drunk is
<kris_>
as weird as that is
<kris_>
like you can take cbd and it kills the weed high
<kris_>
thc high*
<midfavila>
well, it's a thc agonist or w/e
<midfavila>
same shit with theanine taking the edge off caffeine in tea and shit
<kris_>
thing is you get some flower and it's like 20% or lower thc and the rest is various other stuff, notably CBD
<kris_>
so you smoke it and you're not like braindead levels of inoperable
<midfavila>
also
<kris_>
99% thc purely on its own is nuts
<midfavila>
cbd shows promise as a sleep aid
<midfavila>
which is the only reason i want it
<kris_>
ive only vaped it idk if it would have more effect if i ate it
<kris_>
cbd i mean
<midfavila>
i'm not getting a vape, i like to keep lead and shit out of my lungs tyvm
* midfavila
turns his nose up
<kris_>
im not suggesting you do
<midfavila>
there's enough lead in the water around here anyway
<midfavila>
i need to get a filter
<kris_>
i just drink the tap water here straight up
<kris_>
in my hometown it wasnt something id be willing to consume
<kris_>
it just tasted like chlorine
<kris_>
up here its pretty clean actually theres no real reason to get bottled water
<kris_>
i get to skip on the microplatics too lol
<midfavila>
there's no wrong taste here, the city just hasnt replaced its old lead pipes in certain districts
<midfavila>
because, go fucking figure,
<midfavila>
they offloaded the cost of pipes leading *off* the mains onto homeowners
<midfavila>
which is *bullshit*
<midfavila>
like *NO*
<midfavila>
you need to fucking *FIX THAT*
<midfavila>
unless you want to have your citizens drinking leaded water
<midfavila>
i guess it just comes down to personal responsibility
<midfavila>
again
<midfavila>
ofc
<EliSoli>
Im back
<midfavila>
typical mid
<midfavila>
wb
<EliSoli>
wheres sewn
<midfavila>
gone
<midfavila>
vanished
<midfavila>
obliviated
<midfavila>
part of the void now
<midfavila>
i wonder if that's even a word
<kris_>
i don't know if i'm like an asshole for this but it makes me cringe just unbelievably hard when people smoke weed 24/7 because they wanna "get fucked up"
<kris_>
it's kind of offensive to me because that shit enables me to eat
<kris_>
i don't know if that makes any sense
<midfavila>
it's extremely offensive, yes
<midfavila>
it's similar to me and people going off about medical marijuana and then only buying THC blends
<kris_>
obviously being stoned feels great but i just dont like the "fuck yeah lets party and get turnt" or whatever mindset
<EliSoli>
kris_ what?
<midfavila>
i'm the *only* person i've *ever* met who *only* wants CBD
<EliSoli>
what's the topic? weed?
<EliSoli>
what
<kris_>
mhm
<midfavila>
yes
<kris_>
yeah i dont know
<kris_>
i would get just regular flower but itll make my fathers throat close up, he's super allergic to it
<kris_>
the only safe options for me are edibles and concentrates to vape
<midfavila>
honestly, gonna be real
<midfavila>
prohibition needs to be a thing
<midfavila>
like i know it's not practical
<kris_>
edibles are hit/miss for me because they're rarely well mixed
<midfavila>
but from a moral perspective that shit needs to be rationed
<kris_>
ive accidentally taken over a gram of THC at one point via an edible
<kris_>
that was not a good time
<midfavila>
at the very least
<midfavila>
because people aren't capable of regulating their relationship with substances
<kris_>
someone needs to do a study on me
<sewn>
legend of equestria fucking sucks
<midfavila>
MY LITTLE SEWN
<kris_>
because i can smoke like once or twice per week and all of my issues are gone for the entire week
<midfavila>
MY LITTLE SEEEEEEEWWWWN
<kris_>
it's not just while i'm stoned, it lasts like forever after it
<sewn>
hi mid .w.
<midfavila>
>equestria
<midfavila>
that was intended to be like
<kris_>
i'm too tired to want to do anything right now :|
<midfavila>
in the tone of the- you know what, never mind
<sewn>
I know :3
<kris_>
i guess i dont really have anything to do right now anyway because all of my server shit is pretty much done
<sewn>
it doesn't work because it doesn't rhyyme
<midfavila>
honestly the worst
<kris_>
tinyramfs support for my installer ig
<sewn>
kris_: what happened
<midfavila>
friendship ended with sewn
<kris_>
but im gonna just play factorio
<kris_>
sewn: what happened with what
<midfavila>
kris_ best friend now
<sewn>
sounds about right
<sewn>
kris_: nvm I misread
<midfavila>
honestly i just need cbd for my fucking anxiety
<sewn>
you don't look like you have anxiety
<midfavila>
there's nothing OTC that helps much with anxiety that doesn't do so by making me pass out
<kris_>
ive been trying to get my mother to smoke for a few years now
<midfavila>
sewn i am running on nothing but nervous energy and caffeine
<kris_>
she has the same problems i do
<sewn>
WHAT
<kris_>
though she found some sort of something dietary supplement that knocks her the fuck out
<kris_>
i forget what its called hold on
<midfavila>
inb4 magnesium
<sewn>
I hate you I hate you I hate you kris
<kris_>
LMAO
<kris_>
magnesium glycinate
<midfavila>
wait i was right
<kris_>
she takes 200mg and falls asleep within 30 minutes
<kris_>
it's insane
<kris_>
i need to try it out because she has literally the same problem i do
<midfavila>
yeah uh most people are magnesium deficient in canada and america
<midfavila>
that's a known fact
<midfavila>
because we're all amerilards that live off freedom fries and liberty shakes
<midfavila>
with zero nutritional value
<kris_>
for whatever reason ive noticed that i operate 2000x better if i eat specifically chicken
<kris_>
within 2 hours after eating it my brain is just so actively alert
<midfavila>
it's a lean protein
<kris_>
wish it tasted good
<midfavila>
>american discovers that protein is good for you
<midfavila>
wdym it doesn't taste good
<midfavila>
chicken slaps
<kris_>
it doesnt taste like fucking anything
<midfavila>
you just aren't cooking it right
<kris_>
i also can't taste any steak
<kris_>
hamburger meat
<kris_>
etc
<kris_>
like literally just cannot taste them
<midfavila>
no, tofu doesn't taste like anything
<midfavila>
like uncooked tofu
<midfavila>
you have to fry it up
<midfavila>
with some veggies and a little sauce and some spices and shit
<midfavila>
adoy
<kris_>
and the whole "you're not cooking it right" thing is just inaccurate
<kris_>
for some reason i just cant taste it
<midfavila>
vape
<kris_>
i also can't smell very many things so i figure that's related
<midfavila>
inb4
<midfavila>
brb gotta pack up for the bus
<midfavila>
end of the day
<kris_>
ttyl
<kris_>
sewn: why hate me :c
<sewn>
I fucking hate smokers
<kris_>
i'm not a smoker
<kris_>
i havent had a cigarette in ages
<sewn>
still hate you anyway
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<kris_>
the industrial revolution
<kris_>
(factorio)
<EliSoli>
was ninja removed from kiss repos?
<phoebos>
we use samurai
<EliSoli>
-.-
<EliSoli>
why was it removed?
<sad_plan>
it was never added in the first place EliSoli
<sad_plan>
ninja didnt build on musl earlier
<sad_plan>
appearntly it does now, but it dont really matter. samurai is better anyway