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<midfavila> oksh is also fine
<midfavila> it just werks
<midfavila> i've considered trying to wrap dash in editline though
<kris_> dash just sucks
<midfavila> dash is fine
<kris_> for scripts and whatnot
<midfavila> the only thing missing from dash is line editing
<kris_> drives me insane to use it interactively
<midfavila> hence editline
<kris_> also missing command history
<kris_> but that may be solvable somehow idk
<midfavila> editline
<kris_> mayhaps
<midfavila> no mayhaps
<midfavila> that's literally what editline does
<kris_> i say mayhaps because i have no idea
<midfavila> i do
<kris_> "i concur"
<midfavila> :3c
* midfavila puts kris_ back on the top shelf
<kris_> honestly so far there's very little notable difference between oksh and bash
<kris_> just sucks less and in my heart that makes me cozier
<midfavila> i need to work around literally one package in my entire setup that requires bash
<midfavila> net-tools
<midfavila> which provides ifconfig/route/arp/etc
<midfavila> :\
<kris_> i have a handful of things that do
<kris_> pass, xbps-src, and xtools
<midfavila> >pass requires bash
<midfavila> explain
<midfavila> now
<midfavila> :gun:
<kris_> it just does idfk
<midfavila> since when
<kris_> legitimately do not know, its been that way since i started using it
<kris_> even shebanged #!/usr/bin/env bash
<midfavila> extraordinarily cringe
<midfavila> >"the standard unix password manager"
<midfavila> >uses bash
<midfavila> vomit emoji.jpeg
<kris_> no better options.wav
<midfavila> text file
<midfavila> w/ crypt
<kris_> its a pretty smol script
<kris_> maybe it wouldnt be too much work to patch it
<kris_> TIL this exists
<midfavila> oh shit i forgot about pash
<midfavila> dylan saves the day once again
<kris_> doesnt solve needing xtools though so
<kris_> and xbps-src
<kris_> for me anyway
<midfavila> ugh now i remember why i stopped working on my computer for the last bit
<midfavila> i need to figure out how the hell i'm going to glue together everything i need for IM
<midfavila> bitlbee, ii, some sort of ii frontend
<midfavila> pile of libpurple plugins
* midfavila wrinkles his nose
<midfavila> muh minimalism
<midfavila> blegh
* kris_ setting up go and compiling senpai
<midfavila> >go
<midfavila> go away
<midfavila> smdh
<kris_> i will comply
<kris_> only to play more cs
<midfavila> no wait
<midfavila> >:c
<midfavila> do NOT the game
<kris_> too late
<kris_> and also ur fault
<kris_> midfavila: oh you're gonna be real mad at me when you find out i signed up for a subscription music service
<kris_> (they have no DRM)
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<midfavila> stop enabling rent-seeking behaviour
<midfavila> >:c
<midfavila> the only time you're allowed to do that is if it's a cooperative
<midfavila> man i wish that canada would build more row houses
<midfavila> i would love a little townhouse...
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<kris_> midfavila: they have no drm and real cd quality flacs unlike most others
<kris_> so i just pay $6/month for primarily reason 1
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<midfavila> invidious also doesn't have drm
* midfavila sniffs
<kris_> invidious also doesn't have flacs
<midfavila> god
<midfavila> i'm getting emails about how great generative ai is now
<midfavila> i hate this timeline so much
<midfavila> iS gEnErAtIvE aI aDdInG vAlUe To YoUr Hr???
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<kiedtl> well yes, if hr people are getting fired
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<EliSoli> Hey people
<nath> sup
<midfavila> kiedtl: that's a funny joke until the AI that filters your CV for fucking keywords passes it off to an AI that doesn't know how many 'r's are in the word strawberry
<midfavila> people are actually going to be hurt because of this insanity
<midfavila> not to mention we're seeing an ever-increasing use of AI in warfare and governance...
<nath> FFS this shit is not ready for personal use and fucking governments are using it
<nath> holy hell
<midfavila> yeah
<midfavila> the canadian government (that's my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!) has a man in charge who campaigned on replacing the public service in large part with AI
<midfavila> i can't FUCKING WAIT to have the tax agency replace all its eggheads with chatgpt
<nath> things lookin kinda bad everywhere to be real
<midfavila> the various surveillance and censure laws being passed around the world right now aren't great either
<midfavila> esp considering AI tends to be involved in enforcement
<midfavila> ex. the UK and discord
<nath> petition to repeal OSA in uk reached 450k signatures though which is halfway to the 1mil necessary to bypass the fuckers who have completely disregarded it
<midfavila> nath: nobody fucking cares what regular people think
<midfavila> we live in an oligarchic kleptocracy
<midfavila> the influence of the regular people over their government is almost nil
<nath> i call it a boring simulation of 1984
* midfavila sighs, rubs temples
<midfavila> georgio orwellion 1963
<nath> how do you do that lol
<midfavila> use /me <your stuff here>
* nath figured out how to do it nevermind
<nath> thx
<midfavila> not to mention the americans are building literal fucking concentration camps to own the libs or whatever
<midfavila> jesus christ we are so fucked
<nath> jesus fuck
<midfavila> can't wait for america to descend into irrelevance
<nath> they already are
<nath> probably
<midfavila> unfortunately not
<midfavila> there's something like 900 or so foreign military bases in the world and almost all of them are american
<midfavila> a fraction are french or british but they have overseas territories
<midfavila> there are a handful of others as well i think
<midfavila> but basically all of them are american
<nath> yup
<midfavila> not to mention america has nukes and the utter temerity required to use them
<midfavila> ...on civilians
<midfavila> ...twice
<midfavila> ...after they had already surrendered
<nath> .-.
<nath> that was kinda fucked up and we all know it at this point
<midfavila> and yet people still defend it
<midfavila> because america good
<midfavila> :tm:
<nath> muh freedoms
<midfavila> muh democracies
<midfavila> >meanwhile america hasn't even fucking outlawed slavery yet
<nath> and they also voted against like everyone else in UN to make food a right
<nath> it was them and one other country i dont know which one
<midfavila> yeah them and israel
<midfavila> isn'treal
<midfavila> go fucking figure that the genocidal colonists currently starving hundreds of thousands of people voted against it
<nath> go fucking figure
<nath> well uh
<nath> now what
<midfavila> now we descend into global fascism and climate catastrophe while wringing our hands and sending hopes and prayers
<midfavila> same as fucking always
<nath> yup
* midfavila dies
* nath really fucking dies
<nath> this channel is basically anything but kiss linux at this point LOL
<midfavila> tbf we do computer shit too it's just slow sometimes
<nath> i havent really been up to much really, just got a system working with bore cpu scheduler which is what cachyos uses
<midfavila> oh?
<nath> yeah its not that hard really
<midfavila> yeah i know
<midfavila> i've just never fiddled with alternate schedulers
<nath> maintainer on g*thub just provides .patch files
<nath> i honestly don't notice the difference most of the time but if one is better than the other options then i might as well use it
<midfavila> >patch has a rootkit in it
<nath> > buh
<midfavila> :3c
<nath> so like
<nath> ive been on lua for a while but i was thinking of learning c or asm is it worth it
<midfavila> C is probably a good idea
<midfavila> on account of it being sort of a lingua franca
<nath> yeah its pretty common
<nath> but with how many languages are trying to replace it i feel like it wouldnt be worth it in the long run
<nath> i have actually done a bit of assembler before as well
<nath> nasm specifically
<nath> and on the topic of lua im convinced it completely fucking outclasses python in everyway
<thomas_adam> In the same way that prolog outclasses groff?
<nath> i have no idea what prolog is
<nath> groff sounds familiar though
<midfavila> typesetting language. prolog is a logic programming language.
<midfavila> point is apples to oranges
<nath> o
<midfavila> brb
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<midfavila> man i love seafood so much
<midfavila> forgot to make an actual breakfast so i'm having a tuna sandwch
<midfavila> w/ mayo and mustard
<sewn> midfavila: why
<sewn> why mustard
<sewn> why not just mayo
<sewn> tuna and mayo is so good
<sewn> but add in mustard now it tastes rotten
<midfavila> If you get shitty mustard maybe
<midfavila> like heinz or w/e
<midfavila> but a nice dijon is mmmmmmmmm~
<sewn> o.o
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<kissy> silly question but realized after a year-old install i never removed the ISO i installed on! was i supposed to? i literally have no idea where to look for it if so
<kissy> as in, wasn't live because had problems with arch and coreboot so had to install
<kissy> oh nevermind someone on reddit did the same as u were xx
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<sewn> what
<midfavila> "i am fourteen and what is this"
<midfavila> -sewn
<sewn> WHAT
<sewn> I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THAT LONG?
<sewn> holy shit
<midfavila> actually yeah i guess you have
<midfavila> lol
<midfavila> you're like what 19 now
<midfavila> ?
<midfavila> so yeah that's like around that mark
<sewn> i am seventeen and youre wrong
<midfavila> baby
<midfavila> :3c
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