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<midfavila> sitting in the food court on my laptop
<midfavila> just had a guy come up to me and unironically go "i use arch btw"
<midfavila> crazy
<sad_plan> little did he know that he was inferior for using arch instead of kiss
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<kris_> i saw a guy at my uni the other day with a debian wallpaper on his laptop
<kris_> sewn: idk i'll look into it, my usage of jq is unbelievably simple
<sewn> nnnnnnn
<kris_> >insert some complaint
<sewn> ooooo
<sewn> it isnt
<sewn> also, I said for complex expressions
<sewn> simple querying is fine
<kris_> you also said "i think you'll like jq or jaq more"
<kris_> your query looks wild
<kris_> yq*
<sewn> yeah
<kris_> >b.sewn.moe
<kris_> what this
<sewn> its just basic filtering
<sewn> this is my bouncer
<kris_> it has an image
<sewn> it supports file uploads
<kris_> wtf
<sewn> soju does atleast
<kris_> fuck soju ngl
<sewn> you have to add some lines to the con
<kris_> i still dont know what to do about mine
<sewn> ...fig
<kris_> i might switch back to znc or just honestly run senpai in a tmux session
<sewn> and what's wrong with soju?
<kris_> just weird bugs i havent been able to diagnose, right now i don't get any DMs that are sent when my client is closed
<kris_> it only plays back channel messages
<sewn> thats a senpai problem
<kris_> i really doubt that
<sewn> yes it is
<sewn> both of them are working hard to fix it
<kris_> wait is this a known thing lmfao it was fine like 2 months ago
<midfavila> i'm still casting my vote for mtm+ii+tee
<sewn> to allow dm channels to be retained in chathistory
<kris_> oh i dont have chathistory
<kris_> i use the memory database
<kris_> but it *was* fine
<sewn> okay then don't use soju???
<midfavila> sewn is sassy tonight
<sewn> if youre not gonna actually use it for what its made for
<midfavila> mrow
<kris_> i tried to set it up locally but liberachat really doesn't like mullvad
<sewn> midfavila's irc setup is better than yours
<kris_> >use it for what its made for <- i don't like having my text stored on-disk on a hetzner vps
<sewn> because atleast its RIGHT
<kris_> i know they can just dump the memory contents at will but it's less likely anything is really captured
<kris_> given init_on_free and the fact that it doesnt retain anything once its dumped
<sewn> kris_: how is this any different
<midfavila> use sqlite on your local machine accessed over https or something to store your crap if it's that important that you save every byte for posterity
<kris_> it would be nicer if senpai actually kept clientside history
<kris_> znc + weechat was a better setup, i need to go back to that
<midfavila> have you considered a scriptable client
<sewn> you said you use the memory database, kris
<midfavila> that obeys muh unix feelosophy
<kris_> sewn: yeah i do, it stores the db in memory and i'm fully aware that it's very primitive
<sewn> I've had no problems with anything in the stack and its working so well
<midfavila> man speaking of mtm i really need to experiment with curses
<midfavila> there's like one ncurses function call in the whole thing
<kris_> but yeah, the actual solution is to set up a proxy on one of my vps'
<midfavila> if i patched that out or implemnted a shim or something that would make it portable to netbsd curses
<kris_> liberachat doesn't seem to allow logins with mullvad at all
<sewn> kris_: then why are you blaming soju for everything
<sewn> ugh
<midfavila> why do you have a qubes-over-the-network thing going on
<midfavila> seems very not kiss
<sewn> midfavila: do it
<kris_> i'm blaming my stack for not playing back my DMs
<kris_> randomly
<sewn> its not randomly
<sewn> if you have an unread, it will show
<midfavila> sewn as soon as i have time lol
<kris_> that's the thing, it doesn't
<sewn> if youve read it, it won't show
<kris_> i dont' get unread DMs at all
<midfavila> but i need to ACQUIRE FUDNS so i can CONSOOM
<sewn> and your DM list won't appear
<kris_> read DMs i expect to not show
<kris_> unread ones i do, and they don't
<sewn> if you use gamja all of your DMS will show
<sewn> senpai on the other hand won't show all of your dms
<midfavila> this soju thing sounds like a pain
<kris_> again, no need for all of my DMs lmfao
<sewn> it is not a pain at all
<midfavila> if you just want basic irc shit why not irssi
<kris_> i don't care that they vanish as long as ive had the chance to read them before they do
<sewn> kris_: I'm explaining the protocols issue
<midfavila> i use irssi on sdf and it just werks
<sewn> midfavila: because irssi is older than all of us
<kris_> irssi is ass
<sewn> designed like shit
<midfavila> so is linux
<midfavila> and so is linux
<kris_> guess what's ass
<midfavila> and so is linux
<sewn> atleast it feels modern
<kris_> :p
<midfavila> and yet we all use it
<midfavila> hmmmmmmmmm
<midfavila> fascinating
<sewn> its designed ahead of time, midfavila
<sewn> look at how well it has aged
<sewn> irssi isn't
<midfavila> you criticise something and yet you use that same thing
<midfavila> fascinating indeed
<kris_> debian 13 is cozy, less fighting
<kris_> they've dropped certain things that cause me problems
<midfavila> i had an argument in the grocery store food court with arch guy about wayland btw
<midfavila> did i mention that
<kris_> oh god
<midfavila> lmao
<kris_> if someone comes up to me because of the stickers on my laptop i'm probably going to decline talking to them at all
<sewn> I would make it physical if it were with mid
<sewn> this mf just throws ad hominems for no good reason
<kris_> situationally of course
<midfavila> i would bully you sewn
<midfavila> put you in a headlock and apply copious headpats until you stopped being angy
<midfavila> same with kris_
<kris_> i'm not angy
<kris_> at the moment
<sewn> I will beat the shit out of you
<midfavila> pfff
<sewn> you do not disregard opinions and then apply headpats
<sewn> that's manipulation
<midfavila> yes
<midfavila> cope
<kris_> midfavila: i kinda overdosed on nootropics the other day and it had some interesting effects
<midfavila> seethe
<midfavila> breathe
<kris_> i'm still kinda recovering from that
<midfavila> drink water
<sewn> breadcrumbing if anything
<midfavila> eat food
<midfavila> touch grass
<midfavila> sleep at least eight to nine hours a day
* kris_ has been touching unbelievable amounts of grass recently
<kris_> i also got an acoustic bicycle
<midfavila> get 30 to 60 minutes of moderate exercise a day
<midfavila> what the fuck s an acoustic bicycle
<sewn> kris_: nice
<kris_> i'm also a moron because i didnt tighten the front wheel correctly which made the thing like 5x more difficult to pedal
<kris_> an acoustic bicycle is a non electric one
<kris_> its just bicycle
<midfavila> that's just a regular bike
<midfavila> >:c
<midfavila> fucking zoomies
<midfavila> jesus christ on a crucifix
<kris_> you're one of us dillweed
<midfavila> and yet i don't call regular bicycles "acoustic"
<midfavila> strange
<kris_> its just funny
<kris_> or was intended to be
<kris_> my bad
* midfavila flicks kris_' nose
<midfavila> how dare
<kris_> fwiw when i call myself a bass player i don't say electric bass
<kris_> i just say bass
<kris_> even though it's electric
<midfavila> also yes you need to check your rim and brake alignment
<midfavila> is it rim or disc
<kris_> i had just put the wheel on
<kris_> idfk what it is
<kris_> its not mine, a friend let me borrow it
<midfavila> oh
<midfavila> buy one
<kris_> i'm smacked that the dude was like >yeah this is an $1800 bike
<midfavila> 1800 on a bike is pretty basic
<kris_> >just get a bike lock, if something happens im not gonna be mad as long as you actually locked it up
<kris_> its fucking not because it isnt electric
<midfavila> it's like 1800 on a computer
<kris_> 1800 on an electric one is normal
<midfavila> uhhhh
<midfavila> you clearly haven't ever specced out a custom bike
<kris_> no i haven't
<kris_> and i hate this thing anwyay
<kris_> i'm too short for it
<midfavila> tricycle time
<midfavila> :3c
<midfavila> but yeah
<midfavila> just a high end groupset can cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars
<kris_> no im fine with riding a bike lmfao
<kris_> this one is just too tall for me
<kris_> it's a chore to get on top of and its a chore to stop it
<kris_> once i get forward momentum its fine aside from the pedals being kinda too far away from me
<midfavila> like if i ever have stupid money i want to get this part from germany called a schlumpf drive
<kris_> i literally just wanted an ebike
<midfavila> it's a gearbox that sits inside the crankset and bottom bracket
<kris_> all of this car / acoustic bicycle shit is stupid
<kris_> or a 49cc moped, i also mentioned that
<midfavila> and it's like 260cad
<midfavila> 2600*
<kris_> if the bike wasn't too tall for me it would be dead simple
<kris_> 5 mile ride
<kris_> 5 miles is nothing
<kris_> 8.04km for you
<midfavila> yeah on relatively flat terrain in okay conditions
<kris_> it's completely flat
<kris_> i'm midwest
<midfavila> that's about my morning commute by bike
<kris_> i used to ride 3 miles daily in the mountains
<midfavila> the only part of my commute that sucks is this huge fucking bridge right at the goddamn start
<kris_> people around me are just making things harder than they need to be
<kris_> though they'd say the same thing about me
<midfavila> i always end up tired and gross and out of breath by the time i get to the other side
<kris_> >no i dont want a car i just want an ebike
<kris_> >buys me a car
<kris_> >won't drive with me so i can't learn to drive and go take the test
<kris_> >even if i do, insurance costs and gas is also expensive
<midfavila> sell the car and buy a honda usper cub 49cc
<midfavila> super cub
<kris_> cant sell the car, that would be rude or w/e
<kris_> and its not under my name rn anyway
<midfavila> who cares lmao
<midfavila> it was rude of them to impose on you
<kris_> "you aren't going to want to ride your ebike when it's -35f outside"
<midfavila> "yes i am, cope"
<kris_> which is very wrong because i couldn't care less about -35f
<midfavila> i've ridden my bike in like -50c
<midfavila> it's fine
<kris_> and the ebike i wanted for way less than half the price of the car can do 40mph
<kris_> which makes it road legal
<midfavila> jesus christ
<midfavila> that's double the speed limit here for ebikes
<kris_> its technically not legal
<kris_> it is for an ebike but not for someone without a motorcycle license
<kris_> but no cop gives a shit because 1. i'm white 2. if you aren't driving it unsafely they don't care to check
<kris_> i hate that #1 isn't a joke, i wish it was
<midfavila> i mean it's america
<midfavila> everyone just expects it at this point
<kris_> my politics course @ uni is funny so far
<midfavila> such is reality in the burgerreic
<midfavila> h
<midfavila> is it cringe libshit
<kris_> professor keeps saying "i want you guys to talk about this but i cant give you input or ill get fired"
<kris_> i pressed him on that and he said "i can either lie about what's going on or not say anything"
<kris_> and wouldnt comment further
<midfavila> "can you tell me if the following scenarios aren't true"
<kris_> and yes its cringe because he keeps expressing that classical liberalism / conservatism are the only rational choices
<midfavila> lame
<midfavila> cringe
<midfavila> bully him
<midfavila> make him cry
<kris_> im here to get the credit for the course mid i couldnt give less of a shit
<midfavila> >:CCCCCCCCCCCCCC
<kris_> i'm not here to be indoctrinated or to indoctrinate others, i just want the paper
<kris_> btw i was playing a bunch of call of duty modern warfare 2 multiplayer earlier
<kris_> its crazy that we're at a point where on cod people are discussing marxism/leninism as opposed to calling eachother slurs on NA servers
<kris_> THAT is way more reflective of things than anything else ive noticed
<midfavila> chat is this a recession indicator
<kris_> >cod players aren't calling eachother slurs or being toxic
<kris_> something's clearly off here
<midfavila> also why don't you just get a vespa
<kris_> though tbf it's iw4x which is a foss third party client that exists to patch RCEs that activision wont fix in their game
<midfavila> get dery to smuggle an old ww2 vespa into america
<midfavila> the ones with the mounted machineguns or whatever
<kris_> i have like $400 in my bank right now lol
<midfavila> sell car
<kris_> what i get is according to what my family will buy for me
<midfavila> buy vespa
<kris_> no id just drive the car if anyone would fucking sit next to me while i drive
<kris_> all they gotta do is sit there so i can legally practice
<kris_> driving during that "nootropic overdose" was wild
<kris_> idk if thats even a real thing
<midfavila> yeah but are they gonna
<kris_> idk i dont like driving with my dad
<kris_> it's the real life equivalent of holding the flashlight
<kris_> for me
<kris_> he yells and stresses me out which makes me way way way worse at driving because it fucks up my focus
<kris_> which then makes the source of that worsse
<kris_> loop
<kris_> i also need to sort something out for lunch
<kris_> the cafeteria at my uni wants $5 for one slice of pizza
<midfavila> buy a rice cooker and a bag of rice
<midfavila> i bought some folding cutlery recently and i am absolutely stoked
<midfavila> they like
<midfavila> clip together using magnets
<midfavila> and then you can fold them in half
<midfavila> they fit inside my little sandwich tin perfectly
<midfavila> now the only thing i really need to complete my lunch set is a nice lunchbox
<midfavila> maybe some condiment containers... doubtful though
<midfavila> anyway yeah idk why are you shopping at the cafeteria
<midfavila> bring a bag lunch
<kris_> because i dont have a lunchbox atm
<kris_> gotta drop by the grocery store to get one so i can just pack a sandwich and some chips or something
<kris_> the cafeteria was just convenient, was first week
<midfavila> get
<midfavila> LUNCHBOX
<midfavila> NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<midfavila> get one of those cool aluminium ones
<kris_> ya just gotta find one thats a good size to fit in my backpack
<kris_> one i can also fit a decent sized ice pack in
<midfavila> i mean i'm sure the dollar store or whatever would have a decent enough basic one
<midfavila> or ikea
<kris_> yeah ill look around
<kris_> or ill consoom and use amazon
<midfavila> i'm going to get one from l may manufacturing if i can get a deal
<midfavila> they're ~made in canada~
<midfavila> wowowowow
<kris_> my ass is about to start buying things on aliexpress to support *their* economy
<kris_> not because thats better but because i'm in a bad mood
<midfavila> you can always give me your money
<midfavila> that would really show trump
<midfavila> :3c
<midfavila> it's okay kris_ general secretary and dear leader of the eco-juchean people's revolution marx carney will surely allow for americans to enter the socialist republic of canuckistan as refugees soon
<midfavila> the cbc has been talking about it a bit lately
<kris_> also side thing
<kris_> the deli at my local grocery store packages their own meats / cheeses / etc
<midfavila> that's neat
<kris_> i have discovered that these are 2000x better than like
<midfavila> can't imagine it's cheap though
<kris_> >go to fridge with meat section
<kris_> actually its cheaper
<kris_> you can also walk up to them and just buy a whole salmon or something if you want
<midfavila> burgoid discovers that fresh food is better than packaged
<midfavila> :P
<kris_> its packaged
<kris_> they just package shit more often?
<kris_> and they do it in the store
<midfavila> if it's a deli counter it's to-order, isn't it?
<kris_> the salmon is yes
<kris_> the other stuff is on a little cold thingy in front of the counter
<midfavila> weird
<kris_> plastic bags with cheese/etc
<midfavila> still, delis tend to be higher quality
<midfavila> if i had the money i would get most of my basics at delis but that's kind of bougie
<kris_> either way it's substantially superior to anything ive found elsewhere in the store
<kris_> like stuff they just buy and resell
<midfavila> yeah
<midfavila> delis almost always have higher end stuff
<kris_> their pepperjack fucks
<kris_> so does their cheddar and otherwise
<kris_> tbh i just like cheese blanket statement so its easy to please
<midfavila> yeab sounds about right
<kris_> bleh i have to read
<midfavila> destroy all books
<midfavila> moon god decrees
<kris_> based
<midfavila> unga bunga
<kris_> i wanna go out into the forest and build society out of sticks and shit
<kris_> become one with the forest spirit
<kris_> ive started a few little projects like that just by myself idk if ive ever talked about that
<kris_> as a kid i used to just fuck off into the mountains all day and build fenced off areas and shelters and stuff for fun
<kris_> taught myself how to make snares and whatnot
<kris_> serenity
<midfavila> sometimes i think about just going out and setting up camp but then i remember that the cops would shoot me
<kris_> one of my good friends did that for a bit
<kris_> he works at google and they forced him to move elsewhere in the country and he refused to sell his house he worked so hard to get
<kris_> he ended up just setting up a sleeping bag in the woods
<kris_> and going home on weekends
<midfavila> modern problems, modern solutions
<midfavila> there have been a few cases in europe and spain of people just going out and like
<midfavila> >forming a town
<kris_> based
<midfavila> independent of central government
<midfavila> it's pretty cool
<kris_> what do they do about it
<midfavila> the government?
<kris_> ive been considering unironically trying to do that
<kris_> yes
<midfavila> of course they try to attack the settlement
<midfavila> at which point the people setting up there have a fucking fight with the government
<midfavila> and win
<midfavila> lmao
<midfavila> turns out that like a thousand nerds with nothing to lose and copious quantities of petrol and all kinds of hand tools can make some interesting stuff
<kris_> communal starlink connection
* midfavila facepalms
<midfavila> you've ruined it
<midfavila> if we're going to have a commune it's going to be packet radio on a pirate station
<kris_> we have to be able to play counterstrike mid
<midfavila> play counterstrike on the lan
<kris_> but then once it gets competitive itll make everyone sour
<kris_> on a serious note i feel like id want there to be at least a decent network
<kris_> being able to keep a sync'd version of things like wikipedia locally
<midfavila> well yeah
<midfavila> something like this would be a good general link and then you could use uhh
<midfavila> this can achieve transmission rates double what my setup is
<midfavila> but you could probably achieve higher rates by just sending some dork off on a bicycle to the local library once a month for bulk transfers
<kris_> btw whats up with LORA
<kris_> i just found out it existed the other day when i mentioned you to tell you about that tdeck
<kris_> i havent looked into it like at all really
<midfavila> its just super low frequency radio tech
<midfavila> i've done some stuff with it in the long distant past
<kris_> i might get a setup just so i can have actually decentralized comms
<kris_> without needing a ham radio or otherwise
<kris_> my grandfather is a ham nut
<midfavila> in my old city there was a citizen engineering corps that i volunteered with briefly and i helped develop an early warning system for flooding using cheap lora modules on sbcs powered via solar
<midfavila> i don't know if it's still in use but there was an app and stuff
<kris_> idk it seems like lora is more active in europe
<kris_> one of my frens has a setup at her house
<kris_> i think she's hosting some sort of relay or something for it
<kris_> id like to try out actually chatting with the few people on there just to see what they're like
<kris_> apparently DMs are e2ee as well
<kris_> not sure if it's pqc
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