<EliSoli>
well it can be compiled with only ALSA for audio support
<EliSoli>
it also is the default in the repo now
<dery>
yea but ALSA support is terrible
<dery>
and basically unmaintained
<dery>
I don't think that the default setup is optimized for realtime calls really
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<dery>
there's also apulse if you really don't want to run pulseaudio
<dery>
basically you can build firefox with (also) pulseaudio support and then run firefox under apulse
<dery>
which is a shim that emulates pulseaudio for a specific program
<EliSoli>
yeah i will stick with pipewire and pipewire-pulse for now then
<dery>
that's absolutely fine :D
<sad_plan>
midfavila: oh, I see
<sad_plan>
dery: no, science hasnt gotten too far, its just the right way. repairable stuff
<dery>
in what way sad_plan
<dery>
why should a chip made to be put in... "smart" thermostats and other lil things have enough power to run linux
<dery>
and how does that relate to repairability
<dery>
and all right I admit it I might have slightly overreacted lol :P
<dery>
it's terribly impressive
<sad_plan>
I thought you meant the powerbank. but no, verything *smart* is things I mostly want not part of. most of it is also manufactured trash imo
<EliSoli>
thx dery, love ya
<dery>
<3
<dery>
sad_plan: I was talking about the esp linux thing
<dery>
like incredibly impressive but that's, like, an embedded wifi thingie
<sad_plan>
I figured :p
<dery>
oh aight
<dery>
btw powerbanks are based indeed
<dery>
luckily the juicier 60W+ ones are getting really more and more commond
<sad_plan>
yeah, but I never really had much need for them. much less a 72k mAh one, lol
<dery>
that's unironically forbidden in planes lmao
<dery>
but like, I've been using for years high power powerbanks to bring my laptop anywhere
<dery>
initially through lil usb-c PD to barrel jack adapters (initially homemade, then from ali)
<dery>
but now my new laptop thanks to (somewhat based*) europe accepts usb-c directly
<dery>
*apparently they are scared of trump cause... CARS? and are holding the google antitrust stuff
<dery>
*just as america decided that google can casually walk off with the dumbest remedy ever
<sad_plan>
I know, i think 10000mAh is the limit in most places. pretty sure you could potentially bypass it with having loose batteries, because batteries!=powerbank. so pretty sure you could loophole your way through getting more than that :p
<dery>
I think that the limit is actually measured in WAh
<dery>
like 100 or smth
<dery>
no wait
<dery>
yea Wh
<dery>
which is like Ah times voltage or something
<sad_plan>
I wish my laptop had usb-c, but I also wanna toss the damn thing and get a framwork laptop, or one from mnt instead, which would be much more interesting
<dery>
you can get those adapters :D
<dery>
I initally bought an usb pd trigger board that requested the right voltage and hooked it up to a suitable barrel jack
<sad_plan>
I could, but i never really have my laptop with me outside of work, where its just plugged into the outlet anyway :p
<dery>
then found out that they made lil injection molded adapters and went with that
<dery>
oh fair then
<dery>
USB PD might have unironically unlocked universal power transfer
<sad_plan>
yes. but would be nice to have a laptop which would be more portable, and I would feel that I could actually bring around with me on short trips without bringing a charger
<dery>
well without any kind of charger would require a pretty hefty battery
<dery>
although new generations are really efficient
<dery>
like my new laptop which has a marginally newer architecture (zen 3 coming from a zen 2+) is pretty darn efficient from what I can tell
<sad_plan>
well, yes, but going on a small trip for a few hours, bringing my laptop, and not needing to charge. not going away for the weekend and forgetting your charger while also not needing it, lol
<dery>
oh fair
<dery>
well that should happen with all laptops really
<dery>
what laptop do you have?
<dery>
is the battery worn out?
<sad_plan>
yeah new hw is getting both more performant, aswell as efficient, which is rather nice.
<sad_plan>
I have an old acer aspire. i think its 7 years old or so now
<sad_plan>
pretty sure the battery is trash. I think i can manager maybe 3 hours out of it now. also my setup isnt taking battery life into consideration, so theres that aswell :p
<dery>
oh would you look at that I have a new acer aspire :P
<sad_plan>
could probably tweak it to have better battery, but again, its mostly always plugged into the wall anyway :p
<sad_plan>
nice :p
<dery>
yea btw you can expect way better times on a modern laptop with kiss linux
<dery>
even on my old laptop on I could expect 4-5 hours of light constant use at school
<sad_plan>
I suspect as much. its also probably now doing me any favors with me using kernel 5.4 still :p
<dery>
obviously with some considerations but I didn't have powersave or powertop yet
<sad_plan>
right
<dery>
nah I'd say that with old hardware there shouldn't be much room for improvement on old hardware really
<dery>
might be wrong
<dery>
but you generally need newer kernels for new hardware obviously
<dery>
also I think that the main improvement in battery life might be related to the new amd p-states
<dery>
no idea what magic they're doing but rn I'm consuming ~6 watts with max screen brightness and wifi on
<sad_plan>
maybe not, I dunno. I cant even build a newer kernel for some reason. I would like to bump it because of some drm stuff, so I could maybe play some games again, but we'll see
<dery>
oh what kind of issue are you having?
<dery>
are you using custom patches?
<sad_plan>
I dont recall, but anything newer than 5.4 i havent ben able to build yet
<dery>
that's really weird, especially if you're running clean upstream code
<sad_plan>
indeed i am. some patches for bearssl among couple other small stuff
<dery>
ohhhhhhhhh
<dery>
well that makes sense
<sad_plan>
I dont belive its bearssl related though
<dery>
I mean there's lots of crypto code in there
<dery>
could be missing some new api or something
<dery>
wait does linux depend on openssl?
<sad_plan>
dont think so. mcf has been pretty good at fixing these things in his repo, and I did use his patches on 5.15 last year or so, but I downgraded to 5.4, because less features
<sad_plan>
but yes, linux depends on some ssl stuff
<dery>
I had no idea
<sad_plan>
also, its issues with elf. get invalid arguments for some functions it seems
<sad_plan>
honestly not sure whats the deal
<dery>
well I hope you figure it out
<dery>
I'd go one patch at a time at this point
<sad_plan>
yeah
<dery>
try to pinpoint stuff
<sad_plan>
I dont think its patch related either tbh. I think ive tried it without patches, and it still failed
<dery>
maybe even start from upstream, at the cost of getting openssl for a brief period of time
<dery>
that's even weirder
<dery>
maybe it's some build tool isue
<sad_plan>
just havent bothered doing much more looking into it
<dery>
could try clang
<dery>
I daily drive thin-lto for the sake of it and definitely I'm not getting issue
<sad_plan>
I would actually be interested in using clang, because of lto
<dery>
tbf I din't really benchmark anything but I thought "why not?"
<dery>
yea it's not that hard anymore to use it
<sad_plan>
my current setup doesnt even support lto, lol
<dery>
it's like, `make LLVM=1` and maybe `make LLVM=1 LLVM_AS=1`??????
<dery>
I think the second one is outdated or something if that's even the right command
<sad_plan>
yeah, I was looking at benchmarks on cachyos, arch, fedora and couple others, and there were some gains to be had, but not super a huge margin. i think it was in the ball room of 15% on a good day or something
<dery>
but yea just pass it to makeconfig too and it should show up
<dery>
well given that thin-lto has negligible times compared to full fat LTO I think any gains are worth :D
<dery>
I'm sure that it's somewhat less efficient but eh
<sad_plan>
right. I dont belive using llvm even a couple years ago was all that bad, but I suppose its gotten even better
<sad_plan>
not 100% sure I would bother with lto on my laptop though, seeing as its not that powerfull. but no my desktop however, I would most likely use it, to push the most out of it if anything. or just continue with cachyOS instead which im currently running on it
<dery>
uh it looks like thin-lto might be better than I expected
<dery>
I kinda forgot I already did some research on the matter
<dery>
but it might be even more efficient than full lto, at least according to rust people
<dery>
and godot turned it on for LLVM targets cause the way faster times were really worth it
<sad_plan>
nice. ive also read that thin-lto is in some occations, if not most, better
<dery>
I should do some more testing now that my laptop is literally faster than my workstation
<sad_plan>
its like -O3 is worse than -O2 and -Os even
<sad_plan>
oh lol, tried to build 6.12.44, and it errored out immidiatly because it couldnt fine libm
<dery>
oof
<sad_plan>
and before you ask, obviosuly I have libm on my setup
<sad_plan>
but because I use oasis, which splits / from /usr so to speak, I find that programs doesnt always know where to look for headers and libraries
<sad_plan>
because some er under /lib and /include, while others are under /usr
<sad_plan>
which messes up things more times than one would think
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<sad_plan>
I shouldve probably prefixed my kiss stuff under /pkg or something
<sad_plan>
which might not even fixed anything, or maybe it wouldve given me more issues instead :p
<dery>
that's an interesting decision
<dery>
why aren't they symlinked?
<dery>
also time to go eep ig
<dery>
i think i'll go to sleep, cya!
<sad_plan>
because theyre different systems. kiss's packages lives under /usr, while oassis' is under /
<sad_plan>
prefixes that is
<sad_plan>
I could probably symlink things from / to /usr, but ive mostly just fixed it per package when it occurs, which is fine my me
<sad_plan>
i have this love/hate relationshsip with this setup really
<sad_plan>
night night
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<midfavila>
dery tbf the esp32 is probably more capable than the dec machines unix was developed on. by a lot.
<midfavila>
uconsole coming in clutch w/ my reform out of action rn
<midfavila>
need to set up nntpit on here so i can doomscroll on my uconsole
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<EliSoli>
is there anybody from very far from america? need help testing something related to networks
<EliSoli>
i made a program, just need to make sure it works across countries
<EliSoli>
would also be cool if it worked in more, complicated, countries like russia/china
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<midfavila>
the scary GrEaT fIrEwAlL
<midfavila>
also gm everyone
<sad_plan>
good evening midfavila
<midfavila>
hi :3
<midfavila>
was making tea
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<sad_plan>
what kinda of tea?
<sad_plan>
or were you making tee >in? :p
<sad_plan>
lol
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<midfavila>
???
<midfavila>
i do not the understand sir
<midfavila>
no, i'm having yorkshire gold black tea
<midfavila>
it's my usual everyday drink
<midfavila>
i have some nicer stuff from a local tea place but that's for the occassional treat
<midfavila>
occasional even
<sad_plan>
its a pun. related to ii. echo 'foo' | tee >int or something like that
<sad_plan>
s/int/in/
<midfavila>
o
<sad_plan>
yes
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<evahasarrived>
didn't know it was possible to be wrong about your tea choice but there we are
<evahasarrived>
no other thoughts xx
<midfavila>
what's wrong with yorkshire gold?
<midfavila>
it's basic, but it hits all the major requirements
<midfavila>
evahasarrived i am throwing down the gauntlet and demand a satisfactory answer
<midfavila>
>:C
<midfavila>
i will die defending the honour of taylors of harrogate
<evahasarrived>
i just
<evahasarrived>
what do you like about it/
<evahasarrived>
?
<midfavila>
it's cheap, smooth, has a nice "thick" mouthfeel that i don't get with other teas, and it has a well-rounded taste
<midfavila>
doesn't get bitter even if you accidentally oversteep it
<midfavila>
it's like, a solid 7-8/10
<midfavila>
if it was cheaper to get higher-quality looseleafs from the local tea shop then that score would be lower, but taylors is anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4 the price by weight
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<evahasarrived>
had no idea this was a thing / now i do
<evahasarrived>
as long as you're happy w/ your almost tea
<midfavila>
pff
<midfavila>
what would you say is better then? legitimate question
<midfavila>
like what do you drink?
<evahasarrived>
more of a decaft pg tips girl
<evahasarrived>
no idea if you're british / if that means anything to you
<evahasarrived>
*decaf, whatevs
<midfavila>
i'm aware of pg tips but it's not commonly available in canada
<midfavila>
or at least my region
<midfavila>
there was a british import store a while back that might have had it, but they closed because reasons
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<evahasarrived>
midfaveliaa i'm drunk
<evahasarrived>
how's canada right now
<midfavila>
surprisingly nice at this precise moment in time
<midfavila>
12C outside, little overcast, stiff breeze
<evahasarrived>
you need a stiff drink
<evahasarrived>
go outside
<evahasarrived>
go to the beach
<evahasarrived>
if they have those over there
<midfavila>
i actually just got back from a short walk around the block
<midfavila>
was nice
<midfavila>
there aren't any decent beaches in saskatchewan though
<midfavila>
it's landlocked
<midfavila>
also, i don't drink, pff
<midfavila>
i do like nonalcoholic guiness though
<midfavila>
which i realise somewhat defeats the point but it's tasty
<evahasarrived>
there is noyt way saskatcheswan is a real place
<evahasarrived>
stop lying to me rn
<midfavila>
to be fair saskatchewan and alberta are literal rectangles that the fed legislated into existence
<midfavila>
so they kind of aren't real lol
<evahasarrived>
such a silly country
<evahasarrived>
stupid silly
<midfavila>
it really is
<midfavila>
i keep saying we should have never left the british empire
<evahasarrived>
is it true you call it loony yoont
<evahasarrived>
toonu
<midfavila>
yes
<evahasarrived>
TOONY!
<evahasarrived>
heehee
<midfavila>
the one and two dollar pieces
<evahasarrived>
bizarre
<midfavila>
officially they're just "dollars" or "pieces" but they're de jure loonies and toonies
<midfavila>
loonies are called such because they have loons on them
<evahasarrived>
you're a toony
<midfavila>
toonies are worth two loonies
<midfavila>
i'm a tired, boss
<midfavila>
can you smuggle me into britain
<midfavila>
i'll do the shit jobs nobody wants
<evahasarrived>
sure u can live under my bed
<evahasarrived>
you can be my bedbug
<evahasarrived>
nobody wants that job
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<midfavila>
that works
<midfavila>
riteo keeps saying he's going to run off to uni so i can't live under his bed and survive off stale pizza crusts
<midfavila>
i'm sure i can survive off stale crumpets or whatever instead
<evahasarrived>
its not all crumpets and tea
<evahasarrived>
not fkn
<evahasarrived>
black yorkshiyre tea
<midfavila>
sometimes it's yorkshire puddings
<evahasarrived>
does sewn still come here
<sewn>
no
<evahasarrived>
did i just ping her
<evahasarrived>
?
<sewn>
yes
<evahasarrived>
behave
<midfavila>
sewn vanished
<midfavila>
gone
<midfavila>
haven't heard from 'em in ages
<evahasarrived>
i get excited to read her posts
<sewn>
who are you evahasarrived ?
<midfavila>
wonder what sewn is up to
<midfavila>
always used to harass me every time i came online
<midfavila>
alas
<evahasarrived>
nobody i just like ur blogs
<evahasarrived>
love me! im sweet!
<midfavila>
eva is my new tulpa
<evahasarrived>
always to my favourite place and back to myfavouitre home
<evahasarrived>
i feel like im gonna pass out
<midfavila>
maybe go sleep it off then instead of drunkposting on kisslinux lmao
<midfavila>
as entertaining as it may be
<sewn>
evahasarrived: if you know me youre not a nobody
<sewn>
tell me about yourself
<evahasarrived>
so so lovely
<evahasarrived>
im going to sleep / i love my bed
<evahasarrived>
midfavilala tell her about me goodnight
<sewn>
weh
<sewn>
university student
<sewn>
they are a brit
<sewn>
feminine
<evahasarrived>
gosh
<evahasarrived>
he didn't need to tell u everytyhing
<sewn>
thtas about it
<sewn>
thats all i can find on "evahasarrived"
<sewn>
evahasarrived used to have a steam profile
<midfavila>
uhoh now sewn is gonna cyberstalk you
<sewn>
id/eva could be them
<evahasarrived>
sooo fkn sexy
<sewn>
18 yeras of service, from the uk
<evahasarrived>
im jokin gplease do not come find me
<sewn>
"ryielle"
<evahasarrived>
no i don't know what that is
<sewn>
cannot confirm if them
<sewn>
okay great
<evahasarrived>
watching adventure time in bed
<evahasarrived>
p happy about this
<sewn>
"im going to sleep" ok eva
<sewn>
eva is infact not a brit
<evahasarrived>
?? it;s good
<sewn>
they are IRISH
<midfavila>
they could be in NI
<midfavila>
dummy
<midfavila>
fool
<midfavila>
silly
<evahasarrived>
stupid silly
<sewn>
..? okay
<sewn>
anyway
<midfavila>
:P
* midfavila
headpats sewn
<sewn>
eva likes french indie
<sewn>
wait im confused now
<sewn>
i have no idea if eva is irish or from belfast
<evahasarrived>
i havce no idea which steam account u found i havent played gamed in years
<evahasarrived>
gamed
<evahasarrived>
games!
<midfavila>
gamed
<sewn>
id/evahasarrived
<midfavila>
sewn you can be irish and british at once
<midfavila>
there's the irish republic and then there's northern ireland which is british-administered
<sewn>
i dont really care im more interested in location of residence
<evahasarrived>
i'm in lonmdon
<midfavila>
lomdom
<sewn>
ah lonmdon
<evahasarrived>
lomdom!
<evahasarrived>
whatevs
<sewn>
not much to stalk
<midfavila>
is it true that you can get a room in some random person's house for like 200 quid
<sewn>
your nick isnt even registered
<midfavila>
i keep seeing listings for them online
<evahasarrived>
not really no
<evahasarrived>
i have to pay so so much for just a room
<midfavila>
damn
<sewn>
its london
<sewn>
what do you expect
<midfavila>
like i said i've found listings that are cheaper than saskatoon
<midfavila>
at least for like
<midfavila>
>bed
<midfavila>
even just >a bed
<midfavila>
is like a week to two weeks of wages in saskatoon
<midfavila>
in most cases
<evahasarrived>
i feel poorly again
<midfavila>
same
<evahasarrived>
one of my friends has to share her bathroom w/ like ten people
<evahasarrived>
yuck!
<midfavila>
fortunately not same
<midfavila>
but i know a few friends whose building only has shared washrooms
<midfavila>
like in schools sort of thing
<evahasarrived>
shhhhhhh
<sewn>
i hope that if i were to study in the uk i wont suffer this much
<sewn>
i tried to avoid london and birmingham as much as i could
<evahasarrived>
HAHS
<evahasarrived>
come round
<evahasarrived>
ill shoe you round
<evahasarrived>
show
<evahasarrived>
whatevs
<sewn>
no thank you i dont want to get stabbed
<sewn>
a saudi arabian student got stabbed in cambridge
<evahasarrived>
meh
<midfavila>
BIRMINAM EH
<sewn>
not in behmingam we dont
<sewn>
in birmiagham we call it a silly willy tilly silly
<sewn>
something like that
<evahasarrived>
sewn
<sewn>
hi
<sewn>
eva
<midfavila>
sewn
<sewn>
the weather is nice today
<midfavila>
ye
<midfavila>
:3
<midfavila>
it's usually super hot and dry and stale here
<midfavila>
i got these super duper nice wool socks recently, feels like walking on a cloud instead of those crappy walmart socks everyone always buys to "save money" that wear out in like three months
<evahasarrived>
iikeep waking up to beeps and ur talking about socks
<midfavila>
you don't wanna hear about my nice socks
<midfavila>
?
<midfavila>
they were made in toronto
<midfavila>
i got a good deal on them too!!!
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<midfavila>
aw
<midfavila>
i guess not
<midfavila>
:c
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<midfavila>
you're back!!! now i can tell you about my socks
<evahasarrived>
please
<midfavila>
they're comfy and made of wool :3
<midfavila>
okay you can go back to sleep now
<evahasarrived>
thank youuu
* midfavila
applies headpats to eva
<midfavila>
sleep goodly
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<dery>
how could evahasarrived not want to hear mid
<dery>
they clearly don't know the rules of this place, pfff /s
<dery>
rule n.1: you must not talk about linux
<midfavila>
do you wanna hear about my nice new socks dery