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<midfavila> dery: did you see my message to you
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<Ozymandias42> morning
<sewn> mor
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<dery> midfavila: no
<dery> i don't think it came?
<dery> dunno i'm from goguma i should take a look from senpai
<midfavila> o
<midfavila> gm dery
<midfavila> <3
* midfavila applies headpats
<midfavila> dery: https://diptyx.dev/
<midfavila> book but e
<midfavila> i feel like if i was gonna consoom product at all it would just be collecting funky little open source tech thingies
<midfavila> this lil guy is cool too
<midfavila> lmaooo the cover of nypost is hilarious
<midfavila> right, off to work, bbl
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<midfavila> i have returned
<kris_> a
<Ozymandias42> b
<midfavila> c
<dery> yea midfavila I see no message
<dery> was it in this public room, like, in the logs
<dery> I haven't checked there tbh
<midfavila> yea it was in here
<midfavila> lookit this it's what i wanna show you!!!
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<dery> holy moly
<dery> it makes so much sense
<dery> why didn't anybody think of this before
<dery> it also self protects I cant believe it
<dery> I casually broke a kobo because of its fragility
<dery> I might unironically consider getting it if it doesn't cost too much
<midfavila> it's like 165usd
<midfavila> plus the cost of a battery
<midfavila> i think
<midfavila> wait
<midfavila> no
<midfavila> i'm getting it mixed up with the pda from earlier
<midfavila> "I am still working out the component costs, so I can't give a price indication until the campaign goes live unfortunately :) "
<midfavila> darn
<midfavila> okay i lied i'm sorry qwq
<dery> no worries
<midfavila> i'm a little flustered atm
<dery> nah fr nw
<midfavila> one of the regulars at my job came in and started yapping about canada post and their union and stuff and aaaaaaaaa
* midfavila facedesks
<dery> I mean it's not that urgent tbh
<dery> like, an ebook
<midfavila> ye
<midfavila> i saw some talk of people wanting to turn the hinge into an 18650 compartment
<midfavila> i think that would be super slick
<dery> been eyeing one for a while but I got like a pile of government-funded books cause I had maxed out my maturity exam
<midfavila> hmm
<dery> too bad it expired in a year so I bought a crapton of stuff all at once
<midfavila> honestly i feel like the software on this might be limited for textbooks
<dery> books and movies
<dery> fuck yea
<midfavila> at least rn
<midfavila> apparently it only supports epubs atm
<dery> wym
<dery> how does it not support regular books what's the difference
<dery> epub is crazy overkill lmao
<midfavila> aren't most textbooks distributed as pdfs?
<dery> yea
<midfavila> i've had poor experiences trying to convert a pdf to an epub
<dery> actually most e-books are epubs cause it's just text
<dery> I mean, I don't see why it should suck so much
<midfavila> yeah but textbooks have all their charts and schtuff
<dery> ooooh sorry
<dery> limited _for_ textbooks
<midfavila> yeah
<dery> not _to_
<midfavila> yeah
<dery> yea sorry my bad
* midfavila pats
<dery> yea I can see why
<midfavila> s'okay
<dery> although epub is just, like, html
<midfavila> yea
<dery> I don't see why one couldn't just convert each page to svg and slap in in the page
<dery> there has got to be a page separator primitive in there
<midfavila> maybe, dunno. it's not been released yet, creator said the source and schematic will be put out once it's all funded and in production
<dery> yea right if it's open source (under a libre license I hope) worst case there has got to be an embedded pdf rasterizer or something
<midfavila> also!!!
<midfavila> unrelated
<dery> even just a list of bitmaps would probably be fine lol
<midfavila> i heard that there's a new company setting up shop in my city
<midfavila> they're doing mineral exploration and mining ig and they want to hire a bunch of people
<midfavila> and it starts at like 35 an hour
<midfavila> ig they're already a big name in this province
<dery> ohhh nice
<dery> I suppose they also need IT people?
<dery> or are you going to the mines
<midfavila> i mean i'll do whatever you want for 35 an hour
<dery> understandable lol
<midfavila> i'll move boxes or dig holes if it means i can like
<dery> it's like, how much per month?
<midfavila> >afford
<midfavila> uhhhh
<midfavila> let me check
<midfavila> like a lot
<dery> wahoo
<dery> midcraft time
<midfavila> there's mandatory overtime but you get paid doubletime after eight hours
<midfavila> plus your transport time is part of that
<midfavila> so you get eight hours at 35 an hour and then 4-5 hours a day on top of that at 70
<midfavila> i think that's for the miners specifically
<dery> still sounds very sweet I think
<dery> the grind begins
<midfavila> if i get the job yeah
<midfavila> inb4 immediately die of coal dust inhalation
<dery> do they ask for qualifications or smth
<dery> are there qualifications for miner
<midfavila> no they train you
<dery> this sounds too good to be true lol
<dery> is this due to the rare earth thing
<midfavila> that and they need to pull uhhhh
<midfavila> potash out of the ground for fertiliser and shit too
<midfavila> it's for a company called nutrien
<dery> nice
<midfavila> they're super big here, they sponsor a lot of events and stuff
<dery> the only good thing that came out of the orange man is that everyboy's realizing that depending on a single entity is never good
<dery> since they can casually go crazy out of dementia or something and ignore all treaties done before
<midfavila> nah
<midfavila> see
<midfavila> here's the thing right
<midfavila> americans you might want to close your ears
<midfavila> trump is like
<midfavila> the most honest and straightforward incarnation *of* america
<midfavila> this isn't some aberration or deviance or whatever
<midfavila> this is just what america *is*
<midfavila> stripped of respectability politics
<dery> well yea I get what you mean but we still have stuff like NATO and (had) free trade
<dery> and most of those things came with conditions
<midfavila> NATO and free trade are only benefits for the owning class
<dery> like, free trade if DRM and copyright and whatever
<dery> and patetns
<dery> patents
<midfavila> they exist to stabilise and open markets to exploitation so that capital investments can move freely
<midfavila> and, thus, capitalists
<midfavila> rich people can literally buy citizenship
<midfavila> in like, many different countries
<midfavila> and they can fuck off around the world whenever they want on their bullshit jets and cruises and whatever the fuck
<dery> yeye but again, even europe is liberal and whatever
<midfavila> and it's not even a big thing for them
<dery> and they had to bend quite a bit to make america happy and whatever
<dery> and now america is like "nah nevermind"
<midfavila> >oh i can get citizenship in greece for 500kUSD? nice
<midfavila> meanwhile that's like ten to twenty years of wages for some people here
<midfavila> most people, even
<dery> cory doctorow points out that we have DRM, 90 years of copyright and shit cause free trade
<dery> and trump casually said no
<dery> we could literally make DRM illegal and nothing would change at this point
<midfavila> well yeah
<dery> which would mesh super well with eurostack and other stuff
<midfavila> europe isn't an equal partner
<dery> and that's the only good thing that came out of this mess, that we're starting to realize that
<midfavila> i mean europe isn't exactly a victim either, there's a lot of fucked up shit that europe does to the global south
<midfavila> ugh look can you let canada join the EU
<midfavila> i'll even settle for the EEA
<dery> like, we have open source public administration apps here in italy and not only is the corporation behind terrible (private contracts, ik), but they also depend on fucking google attestation
<midfavila> we have a land border with denmark and you can swim to france from canada in like ten minutes
<dery> yea ik europe sucks ass too but it's like the least terrible rn I think
<midfavila> i just want free education :sob:
<midfavila> and like a small house to live in
<midfavila> and to be able to walk to the store without almost dying
<midfavila> i'll even learn to speak european smdh my damn head
<dery> talking bout that
<dery> have you considered getting one of those lesson-slop apps
<dery> for language
<midfavila> ugh, no, i would never
<midfavila> they're a total waste of time
<dery> yea
<dery> but maybe even just to buil muscle memory or something
<dery> if you have trouble with learning, dunno, french or something
<midfavila> the new brunswick government offers free language training in french but i don't qualify for it any more since i had to move
<dery> oof
<dery> but yea I'm happy that we're starting to wake up from the big tech dream
<dery> eurostack ftw
<midfavila> idek if that matters at this point
<midfavila> like it's good but it's only a symptom
<midfavila> and idk if people writ large are willing to look at the underlying cause
<midfavila> tired, boss
* midfavila dies
<dery> at this point I'll take anything
<midfavila> need the next hit of hopium
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<midfavila> man i wish payphones were still common
<midfavila> like what if my phone is dead or i'm out of reception or something
<dery> ye
<dery> it's just dumb to assume that I have a personal communicator available 24/24
<dery> back when I had only a broken phone around I had to unironically ask random people
<dery> damn I hate smartphones more and more
<dery> you know what I would really like to see? VoIP phones like that one you sent me
<dery> just give me an optimized device for VoIP communications, including encrypted ones like with telegram or whatnot
<midfavila> see i'm even fine with like
<midfavila> carrying a separate pda
<midfavila> or a laptop and then only checking my IMs on those
<midfavila> a device like the uconsole or beepis or similar is perfectly fine for that
<midfavila> plus then you can do linux stuff in your pocket if you want
<midfavila> the thing with the wiphone is like
<midfavila> every public hotspot has a fucking captive portal now
<midfavila> and it demands your goddamn firstborn just to get some shitty connection that barely works
<midfavila> and weh
<midfavila> also i've been discovering that a lot of the things i like are based on the esp32 lmao
<midfavila> the wiphone is esp32, the tangara is esp32, the pocket mage is esp32, and the diptyx is esp32
<midfavila> if you aren't familiar
<midfavila> actually
<midfavila> hm
<midfavila> the pocket mage does have like
<midfavila> an actual programming environemtn
<midfavila> environment
<midfavila> enough for a basic browser
<midfavila> so i bet you could get irc running on it
<midfavila> and if you can get irc running on it...
<midfavila> oh shit
<midfavila> you could get gopher running on this actually
<midfavila> !
<midfavila> gemini too...
<dery> I mean
<dery> I'm not necessarily advocating for WiFi itself
<midfavila> yeye
<dery> even just LTE or hell even NR
<dery> just like, let's drop the whole obsolete phone stack and move that to voip. No VoLTE or... VoNR???!??
<dery> Just literal IP packets, make everything network based, it literally unlocks VoWiFi for free, without operator shenanigans
<midfavila> the wiphone has an lte backplace fwiw
<midfavila> backplate
<dery> yea
<dery> but in general I'd like to see more versions of the wiphone, more efficient software stacks and who knows what
<dery> like I don't know if I said that already, but I wonder if anybody tried the modem-sleep architecture of normal phones
<dery> where there's a tiny microcontroller always listening which wakes up the main CPU only when receiving calls
<midfavila> i think the esp32 has an ultra low power coproc so that could be a thing
<dery> uhhh yea, good catch
<dery> although I wonder how feasible it would make to have a literal shim that looks and feels like an LTE/WiFi modem but that also exposes an USB wakeup call or something
<dery> I have a dejavu lol
<dery> I'm sure I talked about this already lma
<midfavila> not to me
<midfavila> maybe elsewhere
<dery> damn I think that I could work on it. Like, it would definitely tingle the right neurons
<dery> I'd work hard on it fr
<midfavila> this is what makes me want to go to school :sob:
<midfavila> i would love to work on this kind of stuff but i'm a fuckign BRAINLET
<dery> I don't think this requires really school
<midfavila> and have no idea where to start
<dery> like, USB LTE modems are actually serial
<dery> they use a protocol called AT to transmit messages
<dery> I know that cause broken pinephone lmao
<midfavila> it's not at
<midfavila> it's the hayes code
<dery> nuh uh
<dery> wait
<midfavila> ...it's literally the same system dialup modems use-
<dery> Hayes AT lmao
<dery> my bad
<midfavila> :gun:
<dery> "also known as the AT command set"
<dery> hey I was technically right :P
<midfavila> close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades
<dery> hey the code calls it like that
<dery> nyways
<dery> it's a dumb serial protocol
<dery> I don't think this is stuff they teach at school, at most they'd teach you how to figure it out i guess
<midfavila> idk maybe i'm overestimating it
<dery> EPS32 definitely has serial if not even USB handling functionality, I'm sure that it can easily communicate with it with minimal to no hardware communications
<midfavila> i've taken some intro classes before on OCW and edx and i've always found it really boring and condesceding
<dery> also it's free on linux SoCs
<dery> I mean that's what I mean when I talk about tingling the right neuron
<midfavila> fair ig
<dery> maybe it is for you or maybe it's just the lesson format
<midfavila> nah it's just like
<dery> I'd unironically say "try it", EPS32 has got some real sweet official APIs based on FreeRTOS
<midfavila> idk i've written (small) patches for linux before and fiddled with X's source code and other stuff. nothing crazy, but i at least know the basics of C and the principles behind some common algorithms and data structures and *stuff*
<midfavila> and i've fiddled with curses and sockets and so on
<midfavila> so to go from that to like
<dery> oh I see
<dery> well yea school would help with that yea
<dery> I think
<midfavila> >this is hello world in scratch woooooooow
<midfavila> >look at that it's a compuuuuuuuuuuuuuuter!!!
<midfavila> is pretty insulting
<dery> dunno in high school we had some very crappy c-with-classes-c++ courses
<midfavila> my high school only had BASIC and java :\
<dery> but university from the little I could manage to do before burning out completely it looked pretty advanced
<midfavila> 10 print fuck
<midfavila> 20 goto 10
<dery> lmao
<midfavila> run
<kris_> fuck
<dery> fuck
<midfavila> fuck
<midfavila> tfw this is peak new brunswick education
<midfavila> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<kris_> hehe
<midfavila> do NOT laugh at me >:C
<dery> well, at least I heard that at least in my school they tried to modernize it
<kris_> i had a wild quick time event earlier
<midfavila> i might not know my letters and numbers good but i could totally beat you up
<midfavila> fuckin
<midfavila> NERD
<midfavila> smdh
<kris_> im gonna leave it there, cliffhanger
<dery> like this c-with-classes crap was terrible and the teachers hated it too
<kris_> for now:tm:
<dery> it's mostly super SUPER slow bureaucracy
<midfavila> were you dodging bullets kris_
<midfavila> typical day in america
<midfavila> >take one step outside
<midfavila> >QTE to avoid shotgun blast
<midfavila> a fren of mine in eastern europe was telling me that his job only uses C++ for "c-with-classes"
<midfavila> i've never touched C++ and to be honest don't really want to
<dery> gonna be hones
<dery> modern C++ is not bad at all
<dery> like, I can see where rust came from, it's really nice to give your compiler more information
<midfavila> i mean it's also just
<midfavila> i don't usei t
<midfavila> use it*
<dery> NOT weirder abstraction
<dery> I also write very C-y C++ code cause I'm terrified of huge abstractions
<midfavila> like i don't know if there's anything in my kiss fork that relies on C++
<dery> but stuff like constexpr and stuff is very sweet
<midfavila> in the entire repo
<dery> yea it's fair
<dery> but like I bet that you could definitely hack on it
<midfavila> if i need super high level abstraction i'll just use lisp or something
<midfavila> ngl
<dery> like eventually you're going to touch so many languages for one reason or another it's irrelevant
<midfavila> it's not like this is ever going to be my job lmfao
<dery> Dumb take, people overestimate how hard it is to program
<dery> like, the annoying stuff is the actual architecture, how to abstract things and whatnot
<midfavila> it's easy to program just like it's easy to do lots of things
<midfavila> it's hard to do most things *well*
<dery> even dumber take
<dery> as long as it works, you've done it
<dery> my workflow lately is unironically to write a whitty PoC and then refactor and refine it slowly
<midfavila> well, yeah
<midfavila> iteration and stuff
<dery> something somehting knowledge in the code
<dery> sorry wisdom
<dery> but yea
<dery> I think it condenses to "just do it"
<dery> which is very cliché lol
<dery> dunno mid sorry I suck at being motivational today
<dery> but like ye just mess around I guarantee that you don't need school to do stuff
<dery> it's not useless mind you but you can have a very satisfactory hacker life by just... doing
<dery> oooh they finally made HTML downloads available for the POSIX 2024 standard
<dery> missed that
<kris_> midfavila:
<kris_> no like the opposite
<kris_> i was walking down the street and some guy comes up to me on a bicycle and is like "yo bro can i give you something" and obviously im immediately uncomfortable/weirded out by this and im like ehhh
<kris_> he goes "its just a note, you can read it whenever you want" and hands it out to me so i accept it
<kris_> and then he just rolls off on his bike
<kris_> i look at this shit and it reads "be gentle to yourself and others around you, your environment is shaping who you're to become"
<kris_> this guy was rolling around spreading positivity
<kris_> literally made my day, floored me
<kris_> i still have the note, im gonna find some random fucker to hand it to like he did