<dery>
I wonder how much compatibility it has by using swc tho
<dery>
since it wants to support the "bare minimum", lots of QoL features are probably going to be missing
<dery>
like fractional scaling
<sad_plan>
yeah, swc is lacking in lots of features. i know firefox doesnt work in velox, which is also swc based, buut I dont recall wether this was a velox thing, or a swc thing tbqh..
<sad_plan>
derive linux might also be interesting. reminds me of oasis, but instead of using samurai and lua scripts to build the whole thing, it uses just shell. has bsd-like port tree aswell
<sad_plan>
maybe midfavila likes this^ or can use it for something anyhow
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<dery>
as usual I'm all in for more distros
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<sad_plan>
yeah, im all for it, but mostly so if it actually bring something new to the table. meaning not ubuntu with another wm or DE. which is just silly to me
<sad_plan>
pretty sure ubuntu has xfce, kde and so on in their distros, so distros lie xubuntu doesnt make much sense to me
<dery>
I think the idea is that it's preconfigured
<dery>
just like the various fedora flavors
<dery>
debian makes you choose when installing iirc which is nice
<dery>
welp
<dery>
lvm2 does not build with ugrep
<kris_>
i am definitely not nervous about going live in front of potentially thousands of people shortly
<sad_plan>
well, yeah sure, that might just be the case, but imo, theres no reason for ubuntu not to just follow debians footstreps in this regard, thus making xubuntu obsolete
<sad_plan>
you can do it kris_
<sad_plan>
im rootin for you
<kris_>
good thing i fixed obs
<kris_>
xdg-desktop-portal-wlr 8.0 and 8.1 have fucked up screen capture
<sad_plan>
who wouldve thought. updating a working system breaks things from time to time
<sad_plan>
im actually suprised my cachyos has not broken even one time
<kris_>
i usually update my desktop every day
<kris_>
void does a really good job at making sure things don't break
<kris_>
ive been bitten like twice i think in the past few years
<sad_plan>
yeah I update my desktop fairly reguralry too, but not every day. its more like maybe once or twice a wee. depending on the number of updates or wether or not I feel like it
<sad_plan>
ive actually broken my old kiss install more times than I can count though. which is ironic perhaps
<sad_plan>
mostly because of me messing with it though. not due to updates
<sad_plan>
a lot of those times, its me ruining my kernel config
<kris_>
i dont think ive ever actually done my own kernel config
<kris_>
i just pull voids and use that
<sad_plan>
you should totally do a make allnoconfig
<sad_plan>
its all fun and games
<kris_>
i'm spoiled for hardware so i rarely see a point
<kris_>
voids big fat all-systems bloated config takes maybe 8 minutes to compile for me
<kris_>
you're going to hate this but i'm considering giving gnu guix a try on desktop
<sad_plan>
never trie guix, but from what ive read it has a very.. peculiar way of doing things. or maybe thats just part of it. I dont recall
<kris_>
i tried it in a VM a while ago and couldnt really understand how to use it
<sad_plan>
im thinking of the way they buil things, aswell as the bootstrapping process
<kris_>
but i think i just need to actually use it in order to understand it
<sad_plan>
thats often the case when presente with new things
<kris_>
theoretically it seems like a way for me to get what i want out of nixos
<kris_>
because nixos wont provide what i want
<sad_plan>
nixos is a really cool concept atleast. never tried it myself
<kris_>
ive used nixos a lot
<sad_plan>
what do you need, that nixos doesnt provide?
<kris_>
it's fucking incredible
<kris_>
sad_plan: i'm a bit of a nut with boot chain security
<kris_>
nixos isn't built with using a UKI and proper actual full disk encryption in mind
<sad_plan>
I suppose it is. one config for your whole system. easy way to step back if things break. sounds amazing
<kris_>
you can do it with guix
<sad_plan>
I see
<kris_>
ive used nixos on machines i need to rapidly scale
<kris_>
back when i was setting up a minecraft server network we bought a dedi from hetzner and set up nixos as the base and declared some alpine containers to actually run minecraft in
<sad_plan>
why doesnt this work well with nixos? because theyr init scripts is shoddy or something?
<kris_>
the dedi is now gone but i can have a new one up identical to the one i had set up before with 1 command, its insane
<kris_>
containers and all
<kris_>
it's like if ansible didn't suck
<sad_plan>
does ansible really suck though? wolfgang from wolfgang's channel seems to like it. although he doesnt seem to favor minimalistic stuff
<kris_>
it depends on the admin
<kris_>
ansible can't ensure state and allows for untracked changes
<kris_>
with nixos you literally can't change things external to the configs
<kris_>
so if you're working with other people, ansible is bound to lead to some admin making some change external to ansible and therefore it isn't tracked
<pressure>
Ive been considering switching to wayland since kiss supports it but cwm was holding me back until this wm droped
<sad_plan>
pressure: yeah I linked this yesterday. seems interesting.p probably the most interesting *feature*, is that it uses swc, which does not require mesa
<pressure>
I always wished cwm combined stacking with scrolling and this does just that! plus it has inspiration from plan9, Its almost too perfect
<sad_plan>
right. yeah the plan9 idea is indeed interesting
<sad_plan>
not too sure about the whole lack of keybindings though
<pressure>
Its a bit like 2bwm where you config before compiling it
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<sad_plan>
well sure, but 2wm has keybindings for the keyboard aswell. hevel only has bindings for the mouse. thats it
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<sad_plan>
I have seen this in the past, or atleast I think I have.
<pressure>
The main dependency seems to be nim. we barely make the minimum of having version 2.0 in our community repo
<sad_plan>
im not super impressed by the fact that its written in nim, but ok
<sad_plan>
can probably just be bumped
<pressure>
sad_plan: I think its a promising project. Its a tui browsee that supports downloading among other things
<pressure>
sad_plan: I wish they wrote it in lisp personally but nim is cool too. from what i heard it has decent metaprogramming capability
<sad_plan>
I wish it was written in C, but thats just me
<pressure>
though i dont think id try to learn nim to extend it
<pressure>
sad_plan: yeah, goes without saying that c is pretty solid
<sad_plan>
using C lowers the bar to build it. doesnt require anything extra, which we dont already have installed. which would be a huge plus
<pressure>
What intrigues me about the project is that the author wrote their own web framework. Forgive the generalization but to me Its kinda like ladybird in that way.