01:50 <midfavila> fortunately most of the other people who worked there have already found new jobs lol

01:50 <midfavila> i'll probably apply for training

01:50 <midfavila> i'm not going back to retail dude

01:57 <kris_> yeah, you definitely shouldn't

01:57 <kris_> retail is hell

02:07 <sad_plan> thats atleast good though. would be really terrible for them if they didnt

02:07 <sad_plan> also yes, retail is hell

02:14 <midfavila> people say that no job is above anyone but that's bullshit

02:14 <midfavila> retail is just adult babysitting

02:15 <midfavila> minimum wage ain't enough to convince me to stand around and let manchildren et al screech at me about their sportsball tickets for sixteen hours a day again

02:25 <sad_plan> if people were actually capable of behaving themselves properly, im sure retail would be less bad

02:25 <midfavila> say it with me sad_plan

02:25 <sad_plan> aside from the terrible pay, but here thats usually not the case. mostly its just the some terrible customers that ruins your day

02:25 <midfavila> something something capitalism something something

02:26 <midfavila> retail is basically one step up from being homeless

02:26 <midfavila> i would honestly just take the dole before retail if given the choice

02:26 <midfavila> at least then you don't have to spend 40+ hours a week getting yelled at and pushed around

02:27 <midfavila> i've seen the wages that some of the nordic countries have, even for make-work jobs, and it's honestly crazy

02:27 <midfavila> like in uhhhhh denmark i think it was that i looked at, you could get something like 28cad an hour as a cashier

02:27 <sad_plan> that might be the case in canada, but here working retail isnt that bad. my mom has been working retail for maany years, and I dont see she complaining. appart from customers being stupid that is.

02:28 <midfavila> and even with taxes at least you seem to get something out of it

02:28 <midfavila> i can't even get a bike lane >.>

02:30 <sad_plan> being a cashier at your regular food shop we have here is actually rather decent. a while back, it was less so, but thats more like.. i dunno, 20-30 years ago? back then it was kinda frowned upon in a sense if you worked as a cashier. but today? nah

02:30 <sad_plan> dont know the numbers though, but I keep hearing the pay is rather fair

02:30 <midfavila> do cashiers get to sit down in norway

02:31 <midfavila> legitimate question

02:31 <sad_plan> yep

02:31 <midfavila> that's wild

02:31 <midfavila> you get written up if you sit down or lean here

02:31 <sad_plan> they have a chair behind the counter. some choose to stand, but the one I use, they usually just sit

02:31 <sad_plan> thats more wild lol

02:32 <sad_plan> i mean, who even cares if the cashier sits behind the counter if you get what you come for anyway? thats just silly

02:32 <midfavila> It'S nOt PrOfEsSiOnAl

02:33 <midfavila> If YoU hAvE tImE tO lEaN yOu HaVe TiMe To ClEaN

02:35 <sad_plan> I wonder, if you turn that back around to the boss, do you just get fired for being rude or some shit?

02:35 <midfavila> you can actually, yes

02:35 <midfavila> insubordination

02:35 <sad_plan> not supprised

02:36 <sad_plan> thats such a stupid thing. telling your opinion should be fair game imo. i mean, free speech and all

02:36 <sad_plan> but thats also being eroded away slowly

02:36 <midfavila> free speech means protection from government retaliation when criticising the government

02:36 <midfavila> also canada doesn't have freedom of speech, by design

02:36 <midfavila> so null point

02:39 <sad_plan> wtf. so if you say... i dunno, utter some super racist bs at a public place, while also explicitly stating that this is your opinion, youll get arrested? just as an example obviously..

02:39 <midfavila> yes

02:40 <midfavila> that's a serious criminal offence

02:43 <sad_plan> thats wild

02:44 <midfavila> eh i don't think so

02:44 <sad_plan> here you would probably just get moved away from the scene, because youre making a scene and disturbing the peace, but you wouldnt get any penalty here, because your opinions is protected. even if they suck..

02:45 <midfavila> you aren't permitted to incite hatred against groups in canada. there are even ongoing court cases iirc that religious belief doesn't exempt you from this

02:45 <midfavila> well, groups based on protected status

02:46 <midfavila> of course, in the real world, this is applied... *unevenly*

02:46 <midfavila> based on the interests of the state in that particular moment

02:46 <midfavila> but in *theory* it's fine

02:52 <sad_plan> hm.. I see