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<LeePen>
My venerable N900 has developed a screen fault.
<LeePen>
What is the best supported hardware for leste? D4?
<LeePen>
Are there things to watch out for on used ones?
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<freemangordon>
dsc_: what do you need from abook? like, what API?
<Wizzup>
@leepen if you want something with a keyboard then the droid 4, but the pinephone also works ... okay ish, just battery life is not great
<sicelo>
LeePen: and if you are able to do some work yourself, you could port some other device (that already supports postmarketOS with a mainline kernel or Mobian)
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<arno11>
Wizzup: fstab is fine in last img :)
<arno11>
dsc_: in 0.7.44, it returns segfault when i click on a tg chat window
<Wizzup>
arno11: great
<arno11>
dsc_: [W] [::0] could not find associated active tp account by local_uid "haze/telegram_tdlib/
<arno11>
Wizzup: yeah :)
<dsc_>
arno11: hmm ok
<dsc_>
will look
<arno11>
ok
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<arno11>
dsc_: and if i click on a sms chat, it works randomly
<arno11>
sometimes ok, sometimes it returns wrong stacking (with raster), and sometimes not working at all
<arno11>
Wizzup: btw, do we still need iphbd and iphb-dkms ?
<Wizzup>
yes we need it
<arno11>
because they were not installed on my fresh daedalus / or removed during last kernel update idk, and it doesn't make any diff, excepting more network disconnections with them maybe
<dsc_>
arno11: did you run the script?
<arno11>
nope, i forgot
<Wizzup>
it makes a different in pm
<Wizzup>
maybe I didn't build them yet for daedalus
<dsc_>
arno11: please do, because it removes the faulty entries
<arno11>
dsc_: will do
<arno11>
ty
<arno11>
Wizzup: ok, but i absolutely noticed no pm diff without them btw
<arno11>
brb
<arno11>
dsc_: still same bugs, will reboot
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<Wizzup>
arno11: that depends on your use case and whether all the sw you use supports iphbd
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<arno11>
Wizzup: ok i see
<arno11>
dsc_: seems ok now, the problem is that existing chats are somehow corrupted
<dsc_>
arno11: i sent you a Tg message, from conversations, via addressbook, and it worked
<dsc_>
yeah
<dsc_>
some are
<arno11>
yep but anyway, that's fine now
<arno11>
dsc_: argh...i can't delete them since it crashes when clicking on them
<arno11>
any idea ? tips ?
<dsc_>
can safely remove ~/.config/conversations/state.json
<dsc_>
then, there still maybe faulty chats, but they then come from rtcom
<dsc_>
(el-v1.db)
<arno11>
yeah so they come from rtcom
<arno11>
i'll check if i have important stuff, otherwise will delete db :P
<dsc_>
yeah sorry, this is an issue since last 2 weeks or so
<dsc_>
but now it works (c)(tm)
<dsc_>
:/
<dsc_>
the good news is that the Telegram integration works better now
<dsc_>
it adopts the correct display name
<dsc_>
it now works via addressbook
<dsc_>
and also less CPU usage
<arno11>
cool
<arno11>
and yeah now display names are ok
<arno11>
tyvm
<dsc_>
arno11: joinchannel also had a redesign
<arno11>
ah ok
<dsc_>
"join chat room" *
<arno11>
online status works now in conversations btw
<arno11>
and now it doesn't open a new chat window when i send a msg from an existing chat, cool :)
<arno11>
will close related open issues
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<dsc_>
:)
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<arno11>
dsc_: after reboot, existing chats are crashing again.
<arno11>
no issue from addressbook
<arno11>
but it opens a new chat
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<dsc_>
arno11: I will try
<arno11>
ok
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<dsc_>
arno11: you had a clear database, with only a few Tg chats, right?
<arno11>
yep
<dsc_>
arno11: so with existing chats, you mean Tg chats?
<dsc_>
these are 1:1 chats?
<arno11>
i mean, the new clean tg chats crash after reboot
<dsc_>
and you open them from the overview
<arno11>
yep 1:1 chats
<arno11>
yes from the overview
<dsc_>
i sent you a message just now, I rebooted
<dsc_>
arno11: sent another
<dsc_>
to me
<arno11>
already done
<dsc_>
again
<dsc_>
:D
<dsc_>
arno11: settings -> about shows 0.7.44 ?
<arno11>
yes ofc
<dsc_>
i think it just crashed for me
<arno11>
ok
<dsc_>
but I dont know how to reproduce it
<dsc_>
send a message again?
<arno11>
i think you can't reproduce now
<dsc_>
still no crash
<dsc_>
but I have a debugger attached
<dsc_>
so just waiting a bit
<arno11>
as you are using a 'clean' chat window
<arno11>
it also currently doesn't crash for me
<dsc_>
hmm
<arno11>
it crashes only from an old chat window
<arno11>
so you need to reboot again and click on the previous chat
<dsc_>
ok, will reboot, then click on our chat
<arno11>
ok
<dsc_>
no crash
<arno11>
for me it crashes 100% of time
<dsc_>
gdb traceback? :D
<dsc_>
sudo gdb -p $(pidof conversations-slim)
<arno11>
ok will do, but a bit later, sorry
<arno11>
have to go in a bit
<dsc_>
alright
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<dsc_>
still no crash :P ill await the traceback
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<Jack>
hiii
<Jack>
Can i ask a quick question? how usable is maemo? like i found an n900 for insanely cheap and idk if i should buy it or not :D
<sicelo>
it's an old device, and for the 'average' person, it's not going to be a good experence, e.g. you cannot really browse the internet on it.
<sicelo>
however, it's a really fun device.
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<Jack>
that's not too much of a downside
<Jack>
i mean
<sicelo>
maybe consider a PinePhone (with they keyboard contraption if possible). another gret/perfect option is Motorola Droid 4, but that may be difficult to find
<Jack>
i use my nokia 6650d and E72 religiously lol they are fun AND they have java so i can use discord on them, and they have music and we still have 2G here
<Jack>
i don't suppose maemo has java support though, does it?
<Jack>
if it does then i'm sold lol, i love me a qwerty device
<Jack>
unfortunately the pinephone is WAY more expensive than the n900 i found
<sicelo>
is the N900 in good condition?
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<sicelo>
SIM is working, USB port fully functional? do check those. a too cheap N900 might have those problems
<Jack>
aw man i can't send images, but yeah, it only has a few small scuffs and marks, but otherwise it's nearly pristine, and it costs €49.67 (which is even cheaper than ebay)
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<Jack>
Uhhh i gotta ask, also the guy is kinda funny about the battery, all he said was "idk, it seems good"
<sicelo>
USB can be a big deal breaker ... broken modem might not matter if you don't intend to use 2G/3G
<Jack>
i probably would, soooo i guess i gotta ask about that too
<sicelo>
yes, just ask if SIM works and the device can connect to the mobile network
<sicelo>
otherwise, N900 is an absolutely fun device and I can't put mine down
<Jack>
are any of the other available (and updated) devices possibly cheaper though? this is literally ALL THE MONEY I HAVE
<Jack>
ooh how come? what can you actually do with it lol
<sicelo>
what does the pinephone cost, used?
<Jack>
this country does not have any used pinephones sadly :(
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<Jack>
i'm surprised i even found ONE n900
<sixwheeledbeast>
USB or modem could be flaky you wouldn't know for a little while
<sicelo>
what does Samsung A3 or A5, the 2015 model, cost?
<Jack>
wait i can put maemo on those or something?
<Jack>
also idk how different the virtual machine build is but the one time i tried it, i didn't get too far with it lol idek what i can do with maemo
<sicelo>
we haven't done the necessary work yet (Samsung)
<Jack>
i did find a galaxy A3 for way cheaper
<Jack>
it's basically half the price
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<sicelo>
so yes, someone must put in the work to support the device
<sicelo>
Anyway it's your money, your needs ... the N900 is a fine choice
<Jack>
i only have 2 questions, 1. is there any way i can put discord on it? (either modern browser, java support or natively bc supposedly this runs debian) and what else can i do with it besides looking sick as fuck?
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<Wizzup>
we do/did have a discord plugin for conversations
<Wizzup>
the only annoying that is what every time your IP changed you had to identify yourself again
<Jack>
and what else can i do with the thing? i mean all i've heard is "ooh it's linux you can tinker with it" but with what, exactly?
<Jack>
it's just, i recently bought a different phone hoping i'd be able to mess around with it but there is literally not much i can do with it besides letting it sit on myself looking pretty, and listening to music
<Jack>
i don't mind the IP thing i'd probably exclusively use it on mobile data, but i do need most of the basic features to work, like DM-s / servers and sending images
<Jack>
idk how i can make my own apps for it but i do know how to code and like to learn new stuff so i could even make a new client for it :3
<dsc_>
Jack: I can help you with GUI apps
<Jack>
is it difficult?
<Jack>
also wow i didn't know you can mention people in here lol
<Jack>
dsc_ omg it work
<Jack>
s
<dsc_>
you already made an app?
<dsc_>
that was fast :)
<Jack>
nah i meant the mentioning works lol
<Jack>
i wanna know if it's hard to make stuff for this little guy
<dsc_>
well.........
<Jack>
because i do like making apps, i've only made android apps before tho
<Jack>
and a few java midlets lol
<Jack>
how bad could it be? :3
<dsc_>
because it is Linux, you are free to choice any tech stack for your GUI app, java, gtk, qt, whatever
<dsc_>
choose*
<dsc_>
so how hard it is, will depend on what you pick
<Jack>
oh i thought there was like a nokia specific UI thing for it, so it can match with the stock app UI-s
<Jack>
like how nokia had it's own j2me library
<dsc_>
maemo leste will style your app automatically if you use GTK/Qt
<dsc_>
i dont know about java
<Jack>
i'd probably use GTK
<dsc_>
that's fine, but then you'd have to get help from someone else :D
<dsc_>
(I do the Qt stuff)
<Jack>
oh i know neither, i just saw on the internet that gtk was simpler lol-
<dsc_>
Linux desktop world is divided in 2 (in my opinion), those largely made with GTK, those largely made with Qt
<dsc_>
we use both a lot
<dsc_>
anyway, whatever you pick, someone will help if you have questions
<Jack>
oh wait the n900 has a weird architecture, i don't think i'll be able to find stuff for it
<Jack>
armhf, whatever that is, never heard of it lol
<Jack>
i guess that's a gentle no then? because it probably doesn't have that good of software support with this architecture does it?
<gnarface>
armhf is fully supported, if you only have a regular x86 pc, you can cross-compile or run a armhf install in qemu or a chroot or something like that
<Jack>
oh i thought only arm64 had good support lol
<gnarface>
well, i guess that somewhat naively assumes you'd be willing to put linux on your desktop...
<Jack>
gnarface i mean it's not like i'm typing this on a debian 12 laptop teehee
<Jack>
i love linux, but i don't like how finnicky it can be when something doesn't work lol and i'm scared that the stuff i *want* to work won't work
<gnarface>
list of supported architectures in debian: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips64el mipsel ppc64el s390x
<Jack>
oh i know i meant like the apps i wanna download might only have arm64 builds
<gnarface>
usually they'll probably have source, i would assume...
<gnarface>
so you could in theory build it for anything
<gnarface>
some caveats...
<Jack>
gnarfacea as much as i like linux and stuff, i am not very good at the whole "compiling from source" thing i don't even know where i'd get started
<gnarface>
you can probably run it in some VM on windows too if you have a relatively recent version
<gnarface>
saver recovery from mistakes that way
<Jack>
i already tried maemo in a VM and that's why i'm asking all these questions, because so far, it wasn't that fun / interesting...
<Jack>
i liked the UI for sure, but i literally didn't know what i could do with it lol
<gnarface>
personally first i think you should just see what you can do with bash and console utils like netcat, ssh and such
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<Jack>
i do use those from time to time
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<Jack>
OH WAIT GOLANG HAS ARMHF SUPPORT
<Jack>
and i use go A LOT
<Jack>
i guess i do kinda want the n900 after all
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<Jack>
sicelo how difficult is it to port maemo to an android device btw?
<Jack>
i do have a spare phone and it has a LOT of support, a crapton of custom roms and has the device tree and such up on the internet
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<Jack>
y'all know what? i might just get a pinephone lol
<Jack>
how's the on-screen keyboard for maemo though? i hope it's good
<Jack>
i had a rooted phone and almost managed to run maemo on that but it never worked sadly
<dsc_>
there are some users here using the pinephone, and yeah virtual keyboad works
<Jack>
nvm turns out they don't sell the cheap one in the EU :(
<Jack>
i don't know if the OS is worth this much money to spend on for a device
<dsc_>
you dont have to buy hardware ofc., can always first check out maemo inside the VM
<Jack>
yeah but idek what to do with maemo in the VM version, do i just try to use it or something? but maemo was meant for mobile devices, and the store barely has any apps (if any) for it lol
<dsc_>
oh yeah, but you can just go on safari inside the VM, press some buttons, see if you like it
<Jack>
what's the difference between the release without and with "-chimaera" at the end?
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<dsc_>
-chimaera was the previous version, currently people are trying to get "daedalus" to stable - If you download the one without the -chimaera suffix, you'll get this "daedalus" - I would suggest getting this one