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<nikolar> how so
<nikolar> also vim or neovim
<zid> vim
<nikolar> oh boy, guess i'm never updating vim again
<mcrod> you know
<mcrod> even 15 years ago, you'd be laughed out of existence for this
<mcrod> wonder what happened
<nikolar> 15 years ago?
<nikolar> try 3 years ago
<Ermine> rip vim
<Ermine> i'll move to helix i think
<nikolar> hey does everyone want to use my vim fork, it's basically just vim, but stuck at the last commit before ai
<zid> going to need gentoo to keep that ebuild around for a while lol
<nikolar> lol
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<heat> guys
<heat> DO NOT USE LINUX
<bobbin> does vim need updates?
<heat> absofuckinglutely
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<heat> and they release them in the worst way possible: patchlevels
<bobbin> ai in my text editor? it's more likely than you think...
<nikolar> why does vim *need* updates
<nikolar> i've had exactly one crash since i've started using it
<bobbin> maybe syntax highlighting
<bobbin> that's the extent of it
<zid> I would have thought that pluggable
<bobbin> maybe
<nikolar> zid: it's basically all in files that describe how to do it and you can write your own
<nikolar> they just ship a bunch by default
<zid> that's what pluggable means yes
<bobbin> I tried doing the plugin stuff but it just made it insanely slow
<nikolar> sure
<nikolar> erm what?
<bobbin> linter server
<bobbin> that's what gets you
<bobbin> vim can't do it asynchronously (or at least I don't know how to make it so)
<nikolar> what's a linter server
<nikolar> so say lsp server then
<bobbin> no
<zid> language server protocol server?
<zid> yea that's a no from me dawg
<nikolar> zid: complain to microsoft
<nikolar> they named it
<bobbin> ew it uses jsonrpc
<heat> it's not lsp server
<heat> it's a language server
<heat> implementing the language server protocol
<Ermine> better than smb as far as naming is concerned
<nikolar> heat: still not a linter server
<heat> i agree
<bobbin> linterpreter
<zid> linto saaberu
<heat> > why does vim *need* updates
<heat> you can go through the 100+
<heat> patches that fix small bugs in 9.2
<heat> or the features, your choice
<zid> As someone who hasn't used a feature beyond what was added in 1992
<zid> I'm fine without updates
<nikolar> heat: ok, apply all those patches and freeze vim
<nikolar> why does vim need updates
<heat> why
<nikolar> why what
<heat> why should you freeze vim
<nikolar> no, the question was "does vim need updates anyway"
<Ermine> existence of fixes implies existence of bugs
<heat> because bugs, and because new features
<Ermine> meaning someone stumbles upon them
<nikolar> bugs, sure
<nikolar> does vim need new features
<heat> yes?
<zid> As someone who hasn't used a feature beyond what was added in 1992, no
<Ermine> not sure about new features
<heat> ah ok, you two don't need new features, cancel the project guys
<heat> pack everything up
<zid> I mean, fine by me?
<mcrod> what the fuck?
<zid> we're literally discussing doing just that
<nikolar> kek
<zid> freezing it at 9.2 or whatever
<mcrod> why does irc have “heat is typing”
<heat> ircv3 and libera now implements it
<zid> irc does not
<Ermine> somehow my experince in vim 7.4 and vim now is the same
<zid> your third party layer does
<heat> discordpilled
<heat> no, it's ircv3
<zid> matrix or whatever the fuck it is
<zid> no, it's nothing to do with irc
<mcrod> i am on irccloud
<bobbin> should I switch my client to weechat to get the typing
<mcrod> so…
<heat> yes it does, we went over this a few days ago
<nikolar> zid: there's a new version of rfc protocol that piled on a bunch of things on top of normal irc
<nikolar> it's not matrix or whatever else
<zid> nikolar: and?
<heat> anyway, re: freezing vim, yeah that's just a stable distro, have fun
<heat> you'll love the backports
<nikolar> so it's not matrix, it's ircv3?
<zid> that's not what I said
<nikolar> heat: no?
<heat> yes?
<bobbin> my nvidia driver is frozen :D
<nikolar> next version of the stable distro will include a new version of vim
<Ermine> surely atrix would do that
<mcrod> linux has been hijacked by AI morons
<nikolar> freezing vim will never include a new version of vim
<mcrod> i can’t wait for that to explode
<heat> sure, you can freeze it forever
<nikolar> Ermine: artix would do what
<Ermine> nikolar: freeze vim
<heat> manually, you'll love it, it's fine
<heat> it's like maintaining your own fork
<Ermine> i mean idk but i wouldn't be surprised
<nikolar> i mean, i maintain it
<nikolar> soooo
<heat> alright. get to backporting!
<mcrod> oh by the way
<bobbin> are those ur cats
<mcrod> heat witnessed basically every distro on my machine explode
<mcrod> bobbin: yeah