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<Reinhilde> abstractionitis
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<Ermine> fucking auto dub
<Ermine> that said, in mcu programming you also think in terms of budgets
<poggers> every line of code has mass*
<poggers> *(if the compiler doesn't elide it)
<zid> I've 'do not recommend channel' every channel that has left autodubbing on so far
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<EmanueleDavalli> Guess who just graduated in computer engineering
<EmanueleDavalli> (it's me)
<zid> was it heat
<heat> EmanueleDavalli: congrats!
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<EmanueleDavalli> thanks
<EmanueleDavalli> can't believe I wasn't kicked out for making a monolithic kernel
<zid> worried they were too academic-pilled?
<heat> i would kick you out if you made anything else
<zid> Because the you know, workable successful kernels are all NORMAL
<EmanueleDavalli> facts
<heat> oh yeah, you want to do a microkernel? ok, i'll be serving web pages off of it on an 100gbps link, with 4x NVMe PCIe 5.0 drives in RAID. good luck.
<zid> hey some of us still want to look at c10k as a problem to solve okay
<heat> if you're a microkernel you have the c100 first
<zid> kek
<Ermine> heat is mad again at microkernals
<heat> mad?
<Ermine> yes
<zid> I don't think that word means what you think it means
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<Ermine> maybe
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<pog> what if you had a microkernel inside of a macrokernel
<pog> what if the real microkernel was the macrokernels we made along the way
<zid> What if we're actually a microkernel inside of a macrokernel today
<pog> i don't follow
<zid> how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real
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<sortie> EmanueleDavalli: YOU DID IT
* sortie hereby issues EmanueleDavalli the official papers certifying graduation from the University of Osdev.
<EmanueleDavalli> wow
<Reinhilde> pog, even elided code has mass, because it's something else the compiler has to do
<Reinhilde> c10k needs to be solved on your OS before you're webscale
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<nikolar> zid: macrokernel on top of a microkernel is how macos works
<zid> microkernel inside macrokernel is how rust works
<Arsen> what does that mean
<zid> FEARLESS CONCURRENCY is all you need to know arsen
<zid> just repeat that every time someone mentions rust and you will be hailed as ahero
<heat> Arsen: did you go to cauldron last year
<Arsen> no I was broke
<Arsen> I went the year before that tho
<heat> oh man, no porto :(
<heat> corp doesn't pay or you weren't working yet?
<nikolar> gcc devs get paid?!
<Arsen> heat: I was teaching at a uni then
<heat> ah
<heat> yeah makes sense
<nikolar> Arsen: oh? where
<Arsen> nikolar: RAF
<Arsen> not the zid one
<zid> Arsen: is that who bombed you last?
<nikolar> Arsen: ah i see
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<sortie> 1) heat sends email from his OS to me
<sortie> 2) I port postfix to my OS so I can receive his email on my OS as a mail server with a MX record and then reply using my OS
<sortie> lesson: don't fuck with sortie or he will call your osdev bluff and raise the stakes
<heat> Arsen: i have a stupid random GCC question
<heat> ever since I started packaging GCC that GCC is really adamant that my OS's name is x86_64-onyx-onyx
<heat> for some fucking reason
<heat> i don't know why
<heat> wait, apparently rpm is passing this in %configure, wtf.
<sortie> x86_64-onyx-onyx :D:
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<heat> hmm it seems that I'm passing myself as a vendor, and it's calculating _host as arch-vendor-os
<sortie> Yeah exactly
<sortie> Do you have any official GNU config patches in?
<heat> no, i don't need to
<sortie> Yeah then it sounds plausible that this is rpm's fault
<heat> what's happening is that it has a %configure macro
<heat> that passes --host and --build
<heat> the value of --host is %{_host}, which is arch-vendor-os as per the RPM build
<Arsen> surely you can tell rpm that host is arch-oe
<Arsen> os
<Arsen> and adjust config.sub accordingly
<heat> yeah i'll have to patch it
<Arsen> rpm moment
<heat> it's not a problem with config.sub nor config.guess, everything works
<Arsen> portage wouldn't do this to you
<heat> i suppose the normal workflow for RPM_VENDOR is that you set it as RPM_VENDOR=suse and the triple comes out as x86_64-suse-linux-gnu
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<zer0python> you finally went straight instead of making a Left turn. Good for you!
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<sortie> https://pub.sortix.org/sortix/screenshots/sortix-postfix-prototype.png ← Today I received an email and replied to it :)
<zid> Still haven't replied to any of mine though
<sortie> zid: Check your spam folder
<zid> I have an email 0 minutes ago! woo!
<zid> nice you replied to the image
<sortie> I have become exceedingly efficient at entering In-Reply-To and References headers
<sortie> Did it go into spam?
<zid> It did :(
<sortie> Totally deserves to go there
<sortie> The security setup for irc.sortix.org is a little sus still. It still needs encryption and DKIM
<zid> spf pass, dmarc pass
<sortie> Yes but no DKIM
<zid> but your contents are very spammer like, stop saying v1agra
<sortie> Hey at least I added a To: header
<sortie> I thought it did that automatically hahahaha
<sortie> I still think running an actual mail server on a hobby OS is one of the coolest things I've done :D
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