Tartarus changed the topic of #u-boot to: SOURCE MOVED TO https://git.u-boot-project.org/u-boot/u-boot.git / U-Boot v2026.07, v2026.10-rc1 are OUT / Merge Window is CLOSED, next branch is CLOSED / Release v2026.10 is scheduled for 05 October 2026 / Channel archives at https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/u-boot
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<f_> Is there any documentation right now on whether AI-assisted patches are welcome in u-boot or not?
<f_> I know the overall concensus seems to be no, but it'd be nice to have some docs to link to
<shadow> there's a months-old discussion thread about AI-assisted review https://lore.kernel.org/u-boot/CAFLszTjnL6rn_mTA+jhcrRLF0yEtN4FVwTeGGy9GeGbgdB9fYw@mail.gmail.com/
<shadow> maybe that helps narrow down whom has an opinion on these things and would be interested in the discussion
<f_> yeah I know about these discussions
<f_> but if I can link to some proper docs that would be better I think
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<qschulz> f_: no official docs at the moment
<qschulz> (except if I have missed some patches on the ML in the last week or so)
<f_> ok, thanks qschulz, I just pointed to existing discussions
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<Tartarus> It's still no, because we've been busy with other overhead tasks still taking up all of our free cycles.
<f_> Thanks for the confirmation Tartarus, can definitely understand
<rfs613> marex: you had suggested spitting out the clock-enable patche(s) in my series (https://lore.kernel.org/u-boot/4718adba-a598-4bc3-a347-a54750a5fef0@mailbox.org/). Any other suggestions on how to split up the series? I also didn't like the 40+ reviewers that --auto-to-cc added.
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<rfs613> shadow: for your spacemit/k3 patch from last week, most of this seems to be around a build_binary_file.py script, that i guess comes from the vendor (doesn't seem to be in mainline). I am not familiar with either this board nor this vendor script. Perhaps consider if binman could be used to assemble the binary images?
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<rfs613> shadow: also regarding changing SPL_SIZE_LIMIT, this is usually a hardware constraint, does the value you are changing match with the hardware documentation?
<rfs613> (eg. don't increase it just to avoid getting a compile error due to SPL size)
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<marex> rfs613: split by subsystem
<marex> rfs613: send chunks by each subsystem
<marex> rfs613: in the board/DT patches, add cover letter and list the deps with lore links there
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<rfs613> marex: okay, will do. Do I call them 'v2' (as there are some changes since the first post) or start fresh with just [PATCH] again?
<marex> rfs613: if you did changes -> v2 with changelog / else do a v2 with changelog which states "split from series blah blah ..." or some such
<marex> rfs613: btw. I'm dreadfully tired, sorry
<rfs613> marex: don't worry, I'll find a way to mess it up :-) Get some rest!
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<marex> rfs613: you'll do fine
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<Tartarus> Catching up on emails, and part of the problem with an AI policy is that they're all still bad at not changing magic numbers. You have to assume it's always wrong, and at that point I fail to see the value
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<shadow> Tartarus: are my attempts to subscribe to the new listserv making it through?
<shadow> e@freeshell.de
<shadow> rfs613: increasing SPL_SIZE_LIMIT allows the build to continue but is not useful for the reason that fastboot also gates on the size, so factory pre-flashed vendor u-boot replies the limit and fastboot aborts
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<shadow> rfs613: allegedly we will see a patch series sent to mainline u-boot this month so I am looking to clean up the vendor u-boot just enough that it builds without going full ham sandwich rewrite on it ‌;)
<f_> Tartarus: what magic numbers, what do you mean by that?
<rfs613> shadow: interesting. I wouldn't have expected fastboot to use the same limit. Historically at lest, SPL tends to be quite small, 64 to 256 kB or so, whereas fastboot typically deals with large rootfs images that could be gigabytes in size.
<Tartarus> shadow: are you having a problem subscribing?
<Tartarus> f_: I mean I've seen it change a git hash in a commit message, for example. You can "tell" it to copy paste values from some source, but will it, and not change them? Not sure.
<Tartarus> it's the same problem as "how many Ls are in google?" and getting back 3.
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<f_> oh you're talking about how (not) good AIs are
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<Tartarus> Yes
<f_> I honestly don't care, I don't use them for ethical reasons and also because... well.. I like working on that stuff, don't feel particularly great if I just let some tool do the stuff I like doing instead of doing it myself
<Tartarus> Yes, also very valid reasons.
<Tartarus> I just find this helpful in explaining to people that do want to use it, why I don't think it's a good idea for the project.
<f_> I am mostly asking because I got an Assisted-by patch in my inbox and I was wondering if there was some proper docs I could point to that say "no AI please"
<shadow> Tartarus: yes I initially received multiple confirmation link emails with stale confirmation code/link, and on retrying to subscribe no confirmation email is sent
<Tartarus> f_: ah, ok
<Tartarus> shadow: No, you're not subscribed. I'm not sure why.
<Tartarus> Do you want me to try and do it manually?
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<shadow> manually is fine yes thank you
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<Tartarus> Hopefully you have an email in your inbox if not now, in a moment or two.
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Tartarus changed the topic of #u-boot to: SOURCE MOVED TO https://git.u-boot-project.org/u-boot/u-boot.git / U-Boot v2026.07, v2026.10-rc2 are OUT / Merge Window is CLOSED, next branch is OPEN / Release v2026.10 is scheduled for 05 October 2026 / Channel archives at https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/u-boot
<Tartarus> https://meet.google.com/jwj-pqka-bnj is the community meeting in about 16 hours, 15min
<Tartarus> (And it's in the email this time)
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