<contrapunctus>
Shinmera: "I only have a very biased view" ha 😆
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<contrapunctus>
Shinmera: One of the very few things I like about Caveman2 is that it uses cl-dbi, a database interface that's separate from Caveman and can readily be used outside Caveman...and cl-dbi can be combined with sxql if we want to write SQL as s-expressions...but AFAICT, the database and SQL-as-s-expressions interface of Radiance is more closely tied to it and isn't meant to be used in other projects?
<contrapunctus>
🤔
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<fengshaun>
I'm trying to have slime ask me to use-value interactively when a restart-case is invoked, having (restart-case (failing-function) (use-value (value) value)) doesn't seem to work. I get the condition's case with use-value, but selecting it prompts another error "invalid number of arguments: 0".
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<fengshaun>
I feel like I don't understand how to use use-value restart and I can't find good documentation.
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<fengshaun>
When I try to access a non-existent variable in sbcl or slime repl, I get a use-value prompt "Enter form to be evaluated:". How do I get that for my own restart-case?
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<Shinmera>
contrapunctus: sure. but also you don't have to use it.
<Shinmera>
and radiance's database interface is more restrictive because it also works for key stores / object dbs, not just rdbms
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<scymtym>
fengshaun: you have to provide the interactive behavior yourself using the :interactive option. see https://novaspec.org/cl/f_restart-case . one of the examples shows how to do this
<fengshaun>
thanks
<contrapunctus>
Shinmera: makes sense, thanks.
<fengshaun>
just found out from clhs
<fengshaun>
scymtym, working now, thanks a lot!
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<fengshaun>
oh, :interactive function has to return argument *list*
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<phil_bb>
Hey folks, I'm trying to find a simple cross-platform GUI option that doesn't require any non-CL dependencies. Does this exist, aside from CAPI (which I'm not touching)?
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<pl>
well, if you can use X11 then CLX is an option...
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<phil_bb>
Right but then Windows is out of the question. Don't think there's an X11 implementation in CL that I can package with the binary.
<pl>
there's no GUI implementation that does not require some external dependency (whether it be X11 or Qt etc) right now. You could write a GUI library with multiple backends, a very barebones thing is AFAIK present in shirakumo libs but not sure if it does not depend on SDL somewhere
<Shinmera>
Alloy has a backend that depends on GLFW
<Shinmera>
and we did start work on the necessary bits for raw rasterisation (raster), as well as a way to create a framebuffer/window (framebuffers), but neither are done
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<Shinmera>
anyway, GLFW is a very light dependency, especially if you use my version on quicklisp (just called glfw)
<Shinmera>
it'll deploy just fine.
<Shinmera>
I know cause I have done it hundreds of times to thousands of people's machines
<phil_bb>
I have looked at Alloy, actually, but I found it rather alien to my brain. All I really need is a way to split a single window, and dynamically display buttons and lists. A tab view option would be cool, but not necessary.
<contrapunctus>
Shinmera: Midway through translating my fairly large SQL schema to Radiance's database interface, I just realized there's no way to store a blob 👀 How do you store things like profile pictures?
<Shinmera>
the lack of comprehensive documentation is the biggest issue with alloy, yes.
<Shinmera>
contrapunctus: on disk, where files belong
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<contrapunctus>
Hm... 🤔
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<Shinmera>
if you already have a schema and a database and all, then trying to force that into the db interface is the wrong choice, just use postmodern or whatever directly
<Shinmera>
the point of the db interface is to allow the end administrator that is installing your app on their setup in a way that works for their infrastructure
<Shinmera>
but if it's just you, then... there's no point
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<aadcg>
I'm trying to come up with a format control string that wraps lines at a certain column, but is that even possible?
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<jackdaniel>
in mcclim you may specify the margin and wrap line strategy
<jackdaniel>
that can be used along with format
<jackdaniel>
in general tgere is print-right-margin but it is for pprint
<aadcg>
I had a look at that but still didn't figure it out. The ~W directive takes pretty printing into account
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<Josh_2>
Has anyone tried to download something on quicklisp using curl and https recently?
<wbooze>
why ?
<Josh_2>
I think the certificates have either expired or curl doesn't like the issuer
<wbooze>
i haven't
<Josh_2>
Its pretty easy to hack https into quicklisp, when the https works :joy:
<Josh_2>
I was able to test with my webbrowser but if I tried curl or allegros do-http-request it was a no go
<wbooze>
i only used the hyperspec from clocc, which doesn't have ssl implemented, and i got bad request, once i used something like socat which already does the heavywork of ssl underneat, the requrest were ok
<wbooze>
since then i'm trying to implement ssl in clocc, just for the heck of it, and because i don't want to use cl+ssl or ironclad, but i'm doing test-harnessing against ironclad
<wbooze>
this lib is old and doesn't even use asdf
<wbooze>
so.... i don't want to enmesh it asdf either
<wbooze>
btw it's an exercise for me anyway
<Josh_2>
luv ironclad simple az
<Josh_2>
it might be old but it works great
<wbooze>
i know for sure some years ago clocc would even work with plain http requests, so something changed on the server side it seems
<Josh_2>
what is clocc?
<wbooze>
ah a lib from sourceforge, old code, where you can use for example clhs-doc to retrieve the clhs parts about the symbols you want to query
<Josh_2>
huh
<wbooze>
seems abandoned
<Josh_2>
I think most people will just use the clhs functionality in emacs
<wbooze>
why ?
<Josh_2>
because most are using emacs
<wbooze>
what if i don't have emacs around ?
<wbooze>
or am forbidden or whatever...reason
<Josh_2>
:shrug:
<wbooze>
i don't have anything emacs having it's own way to the clhs
<Josh_2>
I can confirm that the little asdf hackery that I was helped with earlier worked like a charm
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<wbooze>
ah
<wbooze>
fine
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<contrapunctus>
Shinmera: It's not that I have a database already, but I started the database design by writing an SQL schema. And it's not just for me, as I'm writing a federated web service.
<contrapunctus>
While it seems I should easily be able to use cl-dbi + sxql instead of Radiance's database interface...in the interest of making Radiance more general, are there any major objections to adding BLOB support to the Radiance database interface? (I don't imagine it will break any existing implementations or users...?)
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<Shinmera>
well it would have to be added to all the implementations first
<jackdaniel>
isn't blob a byte array?
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<contrapunctus>
Ah, true...
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<Shinmera>
jackdaniel: "implementation" in the sense of a radiance's interface implementation
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<pl>
So, I had this weird dog-walkies-time idea for representing a funnier state machine...
<pl>
Each state as a CLOSS class, transition happens through change-class
<pl>
*CLOS
<pl>
Yay, nay, take your meds next time?
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<g-gundam>
pl: How do yo define state transitions?
<g-gundam>
s/yo/you/
<pl>
g-gundam: I was thinking of definitions that hook into appropriate MOP protocol for changing class
<pl>
(all wrapped in convenience macros to implement this easier)
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<pl>
the nice part is that changing class of an instance keeps the new and old state EQ with each other, i.e. a pointer that was valid to the *instance* (not slot!) before changing class keeps being valid after changing class
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<ggxx>
How would you define the set of events that can cause a state transition?
<pl>
ggxx: by carefully defining `update-instance-for-different-class` to raise an error on illegal transitions, and executing state transition on valid ones
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<pl>
this would be all wrapped in macros to make defining stuff easier ofc
<pl>
though I guess I could just as well implement it without CLOS
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