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<kris_>
riteo what doing
<sewn>
riteoing
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<riteo>
kris_: doing that funny openwrt mess with patches I mentioned a few days ago
<riteo>
and since I brick this thing constantly in the process I need to initiate the flimsy tftp thing and a switch makes it easier - the switch that my bouncer is attached to.
<riteo>
also, since our router sucks incredibly ass I had to get a new repeater to replace its broken wifi
<riteo>
and this time I chose one which actually supports openwrt, like, fully.
<riteo>
I still have to keep a fork apparently now for the other one but oh well, as long as the patches aren't too invasive I think it's gonna be fine - it's an AP after all, I don't really plan to let it do a lot of non-APy stuff and custom OpenWRT builds are actually pretty easy to do from what I can tell
<riteo>
Apparently some people were worried that there might be performance implications to the antenna the patch enables but from a super dumb test with my cellphone I can't tell a difference, and that's good enough™ for me :P
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<asdfhjk2>
whatup fam
<riteo>
hi asdfhjk2!
<kris_>
riteo ah alright that sounds pretty neat
<kris_>
i'm lucky in the sense that i can just run openwrt as it comes
<kris_>
the update process of openwrt is actual shit though and it's not particularly well documented for generic x86
<riteo>
I swear I'm gonna convince my parents to get an openwrt one so that we can get rid (mostly) of this shit router forever
<riteo>
there's still the VOIP part of it which I'm not sure how to solve
<kris_>
honestly? you don't
<riteo>
this house uses phone lines a lot
<riteo>
we even have a fucking pbx I kid you not
<riteo>
I think that's the name
<riteo>
y'know, write special numbers, do special things
<kris_>
im not really sure how voip stuff works in this context
<riteo>
our router has two analog ports and it's attached to a voip service
<kris_>
yeah honestly gl
<kris_>
maybe a daisychain would work
<riteo>
lmao
<riteo>
yea that's a possibility
<riteo>
although I might look into cheap ass analog converter thingies
<riteo>
apparently they're a thing
<riteo>
can't run openwrt on that stuff though, they're ANCIENT
<riteo>
but, I mean... they're voip dumbies, I can probably firewall the shit out of them and be happy
<kris_>
i really wish openwrt was less as it is
<kris_>
as in like i love it but it's also kinda scuffed
<riteo>
wym scuffed
<riteo>
like, big?
<kris_>
it's just very clearly meant for actual embedded devices and not actual x86 router deployments
<riteo>
ye
<kris_>
but i'm not touching opnsense or pfsense in any capacity for my home network
<kris_>
too corpo for me, makes me uncomfortable
<riteo>
fair
<riteo>
I mean, it _works_, it's just very constrained
<kris_>
idk im still kinda mapping out a router distro in my head
<riteo>
that's interesting
<riteo>
you keeping UCI? That's very comfy
<kris_>
things i'm after: a normal update process, a/b root pivoting, atomic updates
<kris_>
no
<kris_>
all from scratch
<riteo>
cool!
<riteo>
is there really nothing like this?
<kris_>
really its not that complex to just create a frontend to nft
<kris_>
microtik routeros
<riteo>
that name rings a bell
<kris_>
a big thing for me is also no webui by default and no command line config by defualt
<kris_>
s/ualt/ault
<riteo>
how do you configure that
<kris_>
like, ssh into the box and you're dropped into a TUI
<riteo>
a special protocol/port thing?
<riteo>
oh
<kris_>
kinda YAST inspired
<riteo>
I see
<riteo>
that's a good middle-ground
<kris_>
want to access the shell? ssh into another user
<kris_>
ezpz
<riteo>
how are you planning to serialize the config
<riteo>
I suppose you want import/export
<kris_>
yeah, havent thought about it deeply enough to decide on something for that
<kris_>
*really* it would be cool to have a nixos type setup for this
<kris_>
..just a lot less sucky
<riteo>
dunno, UCI seems to do that quite well :P
<kris_>
honestly just xml would probably be fine
<riteo>
tbf I really don't know this stuff that in depth but I really got struck by UCI atm
<kris_>
nor do i
<kris_>
normally i just route with straight up nftables
<riteo>
oh I see
<kris_>
another thing is that i don't really feel like bothering enough to remove grub from openwrt
<kris_>
all uefi machines should be booted via a raw uki imo
<riteo>
yup
<riteo>
agree
<riteo>
it does not have to be necessarily an uki btw
<kris_>
makes secure boot a lot easier lol
<kris_>
yeah you can just stub the kernel
<asdfhjk2>
yea i finally have some time again got let go from a devops gig
<kris_>
in this case i'd probably do that instead honestly, the point of a uki for me is entirely related to FDE
<riteo>
asdfhjk2: nice
<asdfhjk2>
basically was burned out pretty bad on kubernetes and yaml file hell and golang and terraform
<kris_>
asdfhjk2 sorry to hear that chief
<asdfhjk2>
all gross stuff
<riteo>
oh that sucks yea
<asdfhjk2>
then I went on vacations
<kris_>
maybe free time is good though
<asdfhjk2>
like 2 weeks every 3 months
<asdfhjk2>
then I started sick day maxing
<asdfhjk2>
so now i'm trying to get back to my roots a little
<asdfhjk2>
maybe find my thing later
<asdfhjk2>
Hows this project going in the post dylan era
<riteo>
it's pretty stable
<riteo>
not much happening tbh
<asdfhjk2>
i might livestream to youtube a conversion of a thinkpad from arch to kiss
<riteo>
there's still a lot of interesting stuff that could be done but tbh I think kiss is "done"
<riteo>
I have a crapload of ideas of a probably kiss-compatible distro but I'm working on a lot of other stuff and tbh kiss just works
<kris_>
kiss? just works?
<asdfhjk2>
i always liked oasis
<asdfhjk2>
might give the ole mforney distro another shot
<riteo>
especially now that I have flatpak I can install all my bloatware without making a crapload of broken packages
<riteo>
kris_: yup, I have it ever since I bought my laptop like... in 2021 I think?
<kris_>
flatpak is actually like the greatest thing linux has seen in a long time mio
<riteo>
yeaaaaaaaaa
<kris_>
i have never actually used kiss for anything
<kris_>
just played with it in a vm and i have an install on an older laptop but i have yet to get anything like sway to function
<riteo>
flatpak is an ass-saver i swear
<asdfhjk2>
oh you guys using kiss+flatpak some of ya?
<riteo>
yea I even made a guide for that
<kris_>
i kinda lost steam when dealing with getting elogind to work
<riteo>
yea KISS is still extremely DIY but hey, I got a good setup
<riteo>
and a lot of ad-hoc software I should shar
<kris_>
the thing that irritates me is how much shit i have to go back and reenable
<asdfhjk2>
he used to have that pic on his kiss linux website
<asdfhjk2>
had lots of pics of himself
<riteo>
crazy
<riteo>
I missed that period hard
<riteo>
like, I think I was mostly active with the first burnout in progress probably?
<riteo>
or somewhere around that period
<asdfhjk2>
@41:29 "Have taken up farming."
<kris_>
i dont know when i showed up here tbh, been just a handful of months
<kris_>
like 5 years ago i was just starting to get into the "holy shit all of this sucks" mentality with the linux ecosystem
<riteo>
no asdfhjk2 like when dilyn took over
<riteo>
that's an awful word choice
<riteo>
you know, when they picked up the project and kept it alive until dylan came back
<riteo>
dilyn disappeared for like a year or something
<riteo>
when he went farming it was already like the third burnout
<kris_>
i bet dylan is a lot happier now honestly
<riteo>
oh yea for sure
<riteo>
I mean tbh if somebody goes to such great lenghts to get alternative software you gotta get really angry with tech
* riteo
coughs
<kris_>
the meta strat is just fucking off and living in the woods somewhere
<asdfhjk2>
dylan != dilyn. Dylan is the original creator, dilyn was an early user who got heavily involved
<riteo>
yea asdfhjk2, I know
<asdfhjk2>
kk
<kris_>
riteo i mean yeah
<riteo>
crap my bad I just reread
<kris_>
luckily enough i'm content enough with void linux to not feel the need to change anything
<riteo>
I meant dylan disappeared for a year
<asdfhjk2>
riteo: all G
<riteo>
names too similar lol
<riteo>
aight aight
<kris_>
or well i guess i am changing stuff given i'm running my musl build instead of voids
<kris_>
(because they're still on 1.1.24 except it's like patched like crazy)
<kris_>
^ not that that's really a big deal, they backport stuff all the time
<kris_>
some abi issue with xbps and musl 1.2.* on 32 bit hardware due to the time changes
<kris_>
on 64bit it's quite literally just delete patches and update though so nbd
<asdfhjk2>
what if we created our own kiss linux devops infrastructure
<kris_>
that sounds like a whole lot of not keeping it simple
<asdfhjk2>
lmaoooooooooooo
<riteo>
yea
<kris_>
(would be cool tho)
<riteo>
I mean source based is a really bad idea for deployments and shit like that I think
<asdfhjk2>
yea but itd give you devops experience
* kris_
unsimples your kiss
<asdfhjk2>
just thinking out loud about how you said you wanted to get in to it
<kris_>
asdfhjk2 there's a lot of valid stuff to chagne imho
<kris_>
oh no i meant get into a *job*
<asdfhjk2>
i need to do something rn while unemployed and burned out to not lose my chops
<kris_>
ive been applying to ~3 jobs per day for a year and a half all over IT in general
<kris_>
2 responses, no second interviews
<kris_>
the way it goes
<kris_>
according to what i've been told, overqualified for helpdesk which is why i'm not getting interviews for that and underqualified for everything else because no job exp.
<asdfhjk2>
yea my last unemployment period was hundreds of applications for 3 months, about 5 interviews, finally landed somethin
<asdfhjk2>
it was for a big company in san fransisco remotely
<kris_>
eh i'm just going to go back to uni personally
<kris_>
"cybersecurity career studies certificate" wasted 2 years of my life
<kris_>
gonna just do comp sci this time and just have fun
<asdfhjk2>
they paid me 6 figures and gave 2 weeks vacay every quarter. the vacations just made me realize how much i hate devops
<asdfhjk2>
and i burned out, and they felt it
<asdfhjk2>
let me go
<kris_>
is it because of the tools you had to interact with?
<kris_>
or just generally
<asdfhjk2>
I was on a team with 25 other devops guys
<asdfhjk2>
every day, daily standup video call talk about what youre working on
<kris_>
oh dear
<asdfhjk2>
everything was CI/CD, and kuberntes
<asdfhjk2>
so everything i did was edit yaml files all day
<asdfhjk2>
for months
<asdfhjk2>
editing fucking yaml files
<asdfhjk2>
push feature branch, wait 20 minutes for pipeline results
<asdfhjk2>
do somethin else while waiting
<kris_>
yeah i mean, better than i would have done
<kris_>
nothing but yaml for who knows how long is actual agony
<asdfhjk2>
so i ended up like
<asdfhjk2>
push pipeline, then go outside and lift weights
<kris_>
"Compiling! ....carry on"
<asdfhjk2>
lmaooo put on like 10 pounds of muscle doing that in 6 months
<asdfhjk2>
every PR required 2 members review and approval
<asdfhjk2>
was pretty slow moving processes
<asdfhjk2>
kris_: yea i might go to school too actually
<asdfhjk2>
im a dropout
<asdfhjk2>
but here in NM, college is free now for residents here
<asdfhjk2>
so i'm like, hmmm, maybe comp sci would be a good time
<asdfhjk2>
get to focus on more fundamental / theoretical away from big suck's (i mean tech's) mentality of "make it work, fast, and when it works, ship it"
<asdfhjk2>
Bought some fender and marshall tube amps, a made in japan 90s telecaster and esp guitars
<asdfhjk2>
starting a punk band with some bar buddies while unemployed
<riteo>
nice :D
<asdfhjk2>
unemployment maxing
<asdfhjk2>
gettin that free foodstamps and medicaid
<asdfhjk2>
it all is so bipolar to go from the top to the bottom
<asdfhjk2>
but i feel pretty happy, what an opportunity to just chill in the desert in my RV, make some podcasts, maybe go back to school, or keep podcasting and teaching classes, teach myself some new languages or something, come back and get a job that might be a better fit later
<asdfhjk2>
going to see the Wailers 30th anniversary tour this Sunday night
<asdfhjk2>
Going to be going to the lake all summer
<asdfhjk2>
maybe i'll live stream some job interviews or something could be fun trolling them for a little while
<kris_>
asdfhjk2 wtf im so jealous ive always wanted a tele
<kris_>
also yeah if uni is free why not
<kris_>
on the note of trolling interviewers ive always kinda wanted to go into an interview for something and display my incredible rapping skills or just something obscenely stupid
<asdfhjk2>
lol yeaaa
<asdfhjk2>
lessGoooooo
<asdfhjk2>
so there's what kinda jobs, yak now, like if I want to go back to work ...
<asdfhjk2>
I 'd say there's devops, backend dev, frontend dev, security guy / it guy in a corporate company, distro dev is pretty rare places like canonical or redhat usually dont need those shoes filled, ...
<kris_>
i think google has a tendency to hire for platform engineering