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<gzar>
Good morning! I'd like to implore you and call you humbly to God, to Jesus, to repentence and to his forgivness of your tresspasses. He is waiting and willing to forgive
<humasect>
kk
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<companion_cube>
will do
<Anarchos>
ocaml 5.3.0 is out, time to change the topic !
<humasect>
Anarchos: oh cool, going to read changes =)
<humasect>
er.... "OCaml version 5.3.0 " in terminal already.
<discocaml>
<Kali> @admin
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<humasect>
eh... yeah guys, OCaml version 5.3.0 was released 6 months ago ??
<humasect>
Anarchos: oops, it is early, i thought you were trying to change the topic of discussion from the religious statement, not the actual channel topic. don't mind me everyone ~~
<companion_cube>
good luck to them, perceus doesn't like mutability afaik
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<discocaml>
<contificate> It's a shame they did this for OCaml 4 and not 5
<discocaml>
<yawaramin> 'The prototype currently supports only a limited subset of OCaml and for example does not consider exceptions and mutable references. In future work we hope to add support for these'
<companion_cube>
basically yeah
<humasect>
it feels unhealthy for jane street to go no-allocations after startup. a friend of mine is doing this with Common Lisp as well.
<discocaml>
<contificate> I suppose it's kind of interesting that they claim to use less memory - but I'm not sure how much of a benefit you really get on average
<humasect>
discocaml: probably because its LTS long term support version
<companion_cube>
I also wonder how much you lose, in a real program, by ignoring the generational hypothesis
<discocaml>
<contificate> that said, I think this is an interesting direction, in that I also think things like linear regions were an interesting direction for forks of Standard ML: alternative allocation strategies are always useful, if managed well
<discocaml>
<yawaramin> have you seen this https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3735950.3735958 ? 'Despite its simplicity, the generational hypothesis leaves some things to be desired...We propose instead lifetime dispersion as a measure of
<discocaml>
<yawaramin> how generational a program’s objects are, and explain how
<discocaml>
<yawaramin> it can be quantified by the Gini coefficient. We show that
<discocaml>
<yawaramin> this measure is both composable, and directly connected to
<discocaml>
<yawaramin> effectiveness of generational collection.'
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<discocaml>
<yawaramin> (Stephen Dolan)
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<discocaml>
<contificate> I mean, it's interesting from the analytic perspective - but it goes without saying that a single GC strategy is not a one size fits all, but yes it'd be nice to have more data to compare with across a large benchmark suite
<discocaml>
<contificate> especially as of OCaml 5
<companion_cube>
the problem is just that they support a tiny subset of OCaml that no program fits in
<companion_cube>
with no obvious way to extend the subset they support
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