00:26 <Pete[m]1> Finally figured out the right magic flags to get the linker --print-memory-usage output I've come to expect from Zephyr builds... Just means accepting a crapton of other linking log messages.

07:42 <GuineaWheek[m]> if you're using rust you're probably already a programmer invested though; it will never be the fastest thing to scrape something together arduino-style

09:21 <thejpster[m]> A couple of Cortex-M55s (with Helium) and a bonus Cortex-A32 if you want it: https://alifsemi.com/ensemble-e6-series/

09:21 <thejpster[m]> I wonder how much they’ll be

11:46 <JamesMunns[m]> btw, did a Self Directed Research episodes for some of the intrusive linked list stuff I've been using in `pinlist`, `ergot`, and `cfg-noodle`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct10kgmcFmE

11:46 <JamesMunns[m]> IMO it's a very useful pattern for a lot of things, as an alternative to a lot of const generics, or when you want to split "the storage" and "the background or i/o worker"

12:53 <dngrs[m]> (the arduino hardware is something I'm deeply uninterested in, I think it's overpriced, annoying to handle re flashing, and pretty outdated)

14:33 <RobinMueller[m]> At my workplace, arduinos are commonly used for quick tests of hardware, both by students and by engineers. it can be really good for that task. would definitely not do anything non-trivial with them though, and now that I'm more familiar with Rust, i would just write these test scripts with an stm32 / rpi pico and I recommend that to anyone who asks me as well. I think at the very least, arduinos can make the topic of

14:33 <RobinMueller[m]> learning MCU programming more approachable for beginners. I wonder if the IDE is still as awful as I remember it to be (I transitioned to platform IO at some point).

14:34 <RobinMueller[m]> * some point, and now that I use embedded-rust, I just use CLI/neovim..).

14:36 <RobinMueller[m]> * rpi pico/, * esp and I, * some point, and now that I use embedded-rust, I just use CLI/neovim..).

14:37 <RobinMueller[m]> * At my workplace, arduinos are commonly used for quick tests of hardware, both by students and by engineers. it can be really good for that task. would definitely not do anything non-trivial with them though, and now that I'm more familiar with Rust, i would just write these test scripts for stm32 / rpi pico/ esp and I recommend that to anyone who asks me as well. I think at the very least, arduinos can make the topic of

14:37 <RobinMueller[m]> learning MCU programming more approachable for beginners. I wonder if the IDE is still as awful as I remember it to be (I transitioned to platform IO at some point, and now that I use embedded-rust, I just use CLI/neovim..).

14:37 <RobinMueller[m]> * At my workplace, arduinos are commonly used for quick tests of hardware, both by students and by engineers. it can be really good for that task. would definitely not do anything non-trivial with them though, and now that I'm more familiar with Rust, i would just write these test scripts for stm32 / rpi pico/ esp and recommend that to anyone who asks me as well. I think at the very least, arduinos can make the topic of

14:37 <RobinMueller[m]> learning MCU programming more approachable for beginners. I wonder if the IDE is still as awful as I remember it to be (I transitioned to platform IO at some point, and now that I use embedded-rust, I just use CLI/neovim..).

14:56 <Lumpio[m]> From having had to subject myself to the IDE last week, can confirm it's still terribad, and the official hardware is also still priced 4x what they're worth.

14:57 <Lumpio[m]> Arduino Uno is the TI-83 of microcontroller boards, it just refuses to die

15:30 <thejpster[m]> > I wonder if the IDE is still as awful as I remember it

15:30 <thejpster[m]> That was probably Arduino IDE v1.x. There's now an Arduino IDE v2.x, which is also available as a Cloud IDE (which suggests it's now written in Javascript and not Java)

16:01 <RobWells[m]> <thejpster[m]> > I wonder if the IDE is still as awful as I remember it...

16:01 <RobWells[m]> I believe it’s a VSCode fork. It’s slightly more helpful than I remember v1 being but it’s not hugely different.