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<fflogger> [editedticket] Balling: Ticket #9693 ([avcodec] change of matrix cannot happen on full range) updated https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/9693#comment:16
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20114 merged: avformat/tls: switch on peer certificate verification by default (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20114) by B⁠tbN
<kasper93> btw. is this normal to rush merge everything "before branching release"?
<jamrial> no
<kasper93> I though with forgejo at least could wait for CI to pass.
<Lynne> nah, we rush stuff in every time
<Lynne> we have like 1 release a year these days, so /shrug
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20190 opened: forgejo/workflows: run fate-build (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20190) by k⁠asper93
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20190 forgejo/workflows: run fate-build (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20190#issuecomment-2573) by k⁠asper93
<kierank> TIL about fate-build
<Yalda> kasper93: so far 1 sample that is supposed to have this issue, it does not appear to have the issue. I wonder if it is possible our parser is handling it already? (mlp_parser.c looks like it has logic dealing with this)
<Yalda> To be fair, I would like to check it once more with antoher sample but I am not near it tonight
<Yalda> I will send the latest updates tomorrow morning although probably I will not beat 8.0 cut
<Yalda> (different sample from earlier :) )
<Yalda> it is good news if true but i just want to know why
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<Yalda> alternatively I can mark the demuxer experimental and send it when i wake up, and can continue to work on seeking before the release and backport when fixed
<Yalda> i have been testing all day sorry for the delayed updates
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20046 avformat/tcp: add option for enabling TCP keepalive (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20046#issuecomment-2576) by m⁠ypopydev
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on issue #20035 Feature request in the MP4 (MPEG-4 Part 14) Container (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/issues/20035#issuecomment-2577) by m⁠ypopydev
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<TheVibeCoder> Lynne: when in decoder you assign different profile?
<TheVibeCoder> *where
<Lynne> TheVibeCoder: I do it in the parser
<TheVibeCoder> ok
<Lynne> should've done it in the decoder too, but forgot about it
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20189 CODEOWNERS: add af_whisper codeowner (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20189#issuecomment-2586) by v⁠palmisano
<frankplow> kierank: Jealous
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20189 CODEOWNERS: add af_whisper codeowner (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20189#issuecomment-2588) by L⁠ynne
<jkqxz> Lynne: Your cbs_vp9 change broke passthrough.
<jkqxz> The point of the tests there is that the bitstream passes through unchanged; you should absolutely not be regnerating the test output with something different.
<Lynne> which are the passthrough tests?
<jkqxz> fate-cbs-vp9
<jkqxz> You regenerated all the outputs to be wrong.
<jkqxz> It also changes the pixel output <https://0x0.st/8FAr.txt>.
<jkqxz> Does your VP9 decoder actually match the standard output?
<jkqxz> That's a filtering change, so it might not propagate to something visible in most tests.
<Lynne> yes, it does, all except the odd-dimension tests pass
<Lynne> (the odd-dimension streams require cropping on the side of vulkan/drivers)
<Lynne> is loop_filter_ref_deltas the only field that changes?
<jkqxz> That was just one input. Not sure in general.
<jkqxz> The infer() lines are not right. They are overwriting the values from the bitstream
<jkqxz> Also update_ref_delta is a flag, -1 is not a good value to be writing to it.
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<jkqxz> Hmm, you've embedded the propagation of the deltas inside the parsing and that messes with the bistream values. I think it would be better separate - the update flags are exactly what you need to know what to update.
<Lynne> if you have something in mind and time, could you write a patch up? I won't be able to take a look at it for another 7 hours
<jkqxz> Trying now.
<fflogger> [editedticket] mfcc64: Ticket #11640 ([avfilter] Specific combination of timeclamp, fps, and count on showcqt causing crash) updated https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/11640#comment:6
<jkqxz> Lynne: <https://0x0.st/8FAS.patch>
<jkqxz> (Looks more sensible as a diff against state before you patch rather than after.)
<jkqxz> michaelni: Oops, didn't notice that the 14-bit formats weren't filled (and there are no streams to test). That seems fair.
<jkqxz> Maybe request_sample on the 14-bit 4:4:4:4 case rather than silently rejecting it?
<jkqxz> (Note that 0 for 4:2:0 is already rejected by CBS, so chroma_format_idc can't be 1 when you get there.)
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20193 opened: avformat/tls_openssl: cleanup code and add doc for dtls (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20193) by J⁠ackLau
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20193 avformat/tls_openssl: cleanup code and add doc for dtls (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20193#issuecomment-2607) by J⁠ackLau
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20193 avformat/tls_openssl: cleanup code and add doc for dtls (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20193#issuecomment-2608) by J⁠ackLau
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20193 avformat/tls_openssl: cleanup code and add doc for dtls (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20193#issuecomment-2610) by B⁠tbN
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20190 forgejo/workflows: run fate-build (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20190#issuecomment-2611) by B⁠tbN
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<TheVibeCoder> ffmpeg is full of regressions and bugs
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20194 opened: avcodec/exr: Check for pixel type consistency in DWA (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20194) by m⁠ichaelni
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20195 opened: avcodec/jpeg2000dec: Make sure the 4 extra bytes allocated are initialized (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20195) by m⁠ichaelni
<Lynne> jkqxz: looks fine
<Lynne> could you submit a PR on code.ffmpeg.org?
<BtbN> kasper93: I'm building a set of new CI base images with mold in them. Maybe that speeds up those ridiculous link-times
<Lynne> --disable-stripping may help a little too
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20196 opened: lavu/log: fix color for AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_HWDEVICE on non-Win32 (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20196) by n⁠yanmisaka
<BtbN> Lynne: the problem is that I just used my builds images, cause they already have everything under the sun. But as static libs
<BtbN> so linking takes bloody forever
<BtbN> Might need to have to roll a spinoff set of images with the same stuff but shared libs
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<BtbN> It's not using LTO.
<BtbN> And also not using clang.
<BtbN> With LTO linking takes over an hour
<Lynne> no, but you can cache linking
<Lynne> and thinlto is really fast
<BtbN> But it's not even doing LTO
<Lynne> I know, but perhaps LTO with caching may be faster
<BtbN> LTO without cachine takes way over an hour, so that's even worse
<BtbN> Keep in mind this is statically linking _everything_, every single library. So LTO is also incredibly brittle
<Lynne> I know, but perhaps it can be worth it to experiment
<Lynne> IIRC kernel devs run thinlto when bisecting because it can be cached
<BtbN> I have already experienced with LTO
<BtbN> and deemed it not worth the trouble
<BtbN> takes forever, defers a lot of errors from other projects to only pop up during link-time of FFmpeg, and breaks every other day
<BtbN> The proper way to speed this up is to not use static libs
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<kasper93> thinlto can be fast, becasue compile time are very fast and link is cached. but not sure if I ever seen it faster than normal link
<kasper93> though not like I'm benchmarking it on every project
<kasper93> (I wouldn't expect it help in ffmepg case tho)
<kasper93> BtbN: I use lld, but yes, using gnu ld can be painful
<BtbN> Keep in mind caching itself is also a cost on CI
<BtbN> it has to be downloaded first, and in this case it can easily be gigabytes worth of cache
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<kasper93> agree
<kasper93> though using lld is giving nice speed-up already. I never compared directly to mold, but should be even faster
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20196 lavu/log: fix color for AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_HWDEVICE on non-Win32 (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20196#issuecomment-2628) by k⁠asper93
<BtbN> mold also does not support windows, so it's kinda out anyway
<kasper93> searching `mold windows` is not the right way
<JEEB> :D
<BtbN> There was a fork od mold for Windows at some point, called "sold"
<BtbN> yes, that's fun to google for as well
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<BtbN> Apparently its focus was apple stuff though, and apple fixed their linker, so it was abandoned?
<BtbN> lld doesn't work either: ld.lld: error: undefined symbol: svt_av1_enc_init_handle
<BtbN> bfd finds the symbol fine
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20190 forgejo/workflows: run fate-build (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20190#issuecomment-2631) by k⁠asper93
<kasper93> hmm, I use lld with svtav1 and works for me
<BtbN> With a static one?
<kasper93> it's shared build though
<BtbN> doing static builds unearthes a lot of weirdness and build system sloppyness, cause it's not well tested
<BtbN> weird though how bfd is happy, and just switching to lld breaks it
<kasper93> true, mostly you find those dllimport/dllexport issues
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20197 opened: doc/developer: Basic documentation for Source Plugins (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20197) by m⁠ichaelni
<kasper93> speaking of we still haven't merged libplacebo fix for that
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<BtbN> I'll just try to spin some images which are shared
<BtbN> it should speed up CI a lot
<BtbN> We don't plan to release builds from them anyway
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<kasper93> yeah, shared make sense
<another|> BtbN: sold was the paid version of mold. But that apparently didn't work out
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20189 merged: CODEOWNERS: add af_whisper codeowner (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20189) by m⁠ichaelni
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20195 merged: avcodec/jpeg2000dec: Make sure the 4 extra bytes allocated are initialized (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20195) by m⁠ichaelni
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<kasper93> BtbN: if it's a problem, we can for now enable fate-build on linux jobs only
<BtbN> You mean the ones that don't have all the fat deps
<BtbN> that should be fine, yeah
<BtbN> and doesn't take half an hour
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<kasper93> is this only an issue with svtav1?
<kasper93> this can be also fixed for mold
<BtbN> Well, it's the first thing it trips over
<BtbN> no idea what would crop up after that one is fixed
<BtbN> but identifying why one linker is upset but the other isn't sounds like an annoying task
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on issue #20184 Consider the addition of a "needs backport" label for PRs (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/issues/20184#issuecomment-2640) by f⁠rankplow
<kasper93> it generally is obvious, after you look at source code, generally there is something weird done
<kasper93> though it's not our job to fix others bugs
<BtbN> well, it works with bfd, so it can't be that weird
<kasper93> have you tried gold? I know it's deprecated, but maybe this do the trick for now
<BtbN> gold mis-links the whole thing and it then crashes randomly at runtime
<kasper93> lovely
<TheVibeCoder> yes
<JEEB> yea, gold is just so little used during the past XYZ years
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on issue #20185 [Regression] Broken Theora encoder on Windows (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/issues/20185#issuecomment-2641) by b⁠erarma
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<kepstin> gold is more or less unmaintained at this point? they removed it from the standard binutils build in 2.44
<JEEB> yea
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20198 opened: Fix some oss-fuzz aborts (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20198) by k⁠asper93
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on issue #20185 [Regression] Broken Theora encoder on Windows (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/issues/20185#issuecomment-2647) by B⁠tbN
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg:release/8.0] 0 new commit (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/compare/master...7eaa0f799ab30e723209cc64777f10063ae55a23) pushed by F⁠Fmpeg
<Sean_McG> \o/
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on issue #20185 [Regression] Broken Theora encoder on Windows (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/issues/20185#issuecomment-2652) by b⁠erarma
<philipl> Lynne: So not sure what to say. My vulkan decode is completely busted right now on Blackwell. I'd swear it worked when I first put the hardware in but that might be a false memory. Immediately gets "Unable to submit command buffer: VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST"
<Lynne> philipl: git master too?
<philipl> This is latest build with your change to disable threading
<philipl> ffmpeg -init_hw_device "vulkan=vk:0" -hwaccel vulkan -hwaccel_output_format vulkan -i <file> -f null -
<Sean_McG> possibly a driver bug?
<philipl> 575.64.03
<philipl> Lynne: vulkan validation produces a long stream of errors. Can it tell us anything meaningful right now?
<Sean_McG> I tried that command with an H264-encoded MPEG4 file on my Radeon and it worked OK, so I guess this might be particular to Intel?
<Sean_McG> actually, which version of Vulkan do you have? I'm on Debian stable (bookworm) which has 1.3.239.0
<philipl> This is nvidia
<Sean_McG> ahhh sorry, my brain for some reason connected Blackwell to Intel
<philipl> Lynne: https://0x0.st/8FSB.txt I assume that all the validation warnings about image views and profile lists are noise, based on what you've said in the past. But then it complains about the command buffer submission and then we get the submission error.
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20201 opened: doc/community.texi: fix spelling error (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20201) by G⁠ewoonLeon
<philipl> Lynne: it also complains that https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/src/branch/master/libavcodec/vulkan_decode.c#L1133 shouldn't be there as it says pCreateInfo->format VK_FORMAT_G8_B8R8_2PLANE_420_UNORM with tiling VK_IMAGE_TILING_OPTIMAL doesn't support VK_FORMAT_FEATURE_STORAGE_IMAGE_BIT.
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20202 opened: Fix Vulkan hwcontext build, fix CBS VP9 behaviour (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20202) by j⁠kqxz
<jkqxz> Lynne: ^
<jkqxz> Lynne: Have you tested that with Vulkan to make sure I haven't messed something up? I did not test that side, only the CBS parts.
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<Lynne> no, not yet
<Lynne> bcheng has a working test setup, could you test it?
<TheVibeCoder> ffmpeg is full of regressions and bugs
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on pull request #20198 Fix some oss-fuzz aborts (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20198#issuecomment-2668) by k⁠asper93
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<BtbN> kasper93: I've bumped the base image to 25.10 now, from 24.04, maybe lld 20 fixed whatever 18 was unhappy about. Now only need to wait 4h or whatever it takes CI to rull a full set of new images from 0
<kasper93> you are not using llvm-mingw from wbs there?
<kasper93> it should ship own lld, no?
<BtbN> It's crosstools-ng
<kasper93> ah, it's not llvm version
<kasper93> nvm then
<BtbN> A lot of packages hate being built with clang
<BtbN> winarm64 is using it, and I had to disable a bunch of stuff simply cause it does not configure or build with clang
<kasper93> so, ff 8.0 is not major api bump?
<BtbN> It should be? Otherwise it'd be 7.2
<kasper93> that's my understanding
<kasper93> michaelni did minor bump only in release commits though
<kierank> Lol we're doing plugins now
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<TheVibeCoder> kierank: ban self
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<michaelni> BtbN, we have never bumped major during release branching.
<BtbN> Never observed it. So it's just done later?
<michaelni> people always discussed and then someone bumped on master
<michaelni> if people want major to be bumped, its no big deal, people can bump major now on master and we just fast forward release/8.0
<michaelni> this is something people / the community must decide, personally i never saw the sense in frequent major bumps
<kasper93> could we merge #20182 to unblock FATE?
<michaelni> also I clearly said "I intend to create the release/8.0 branch in the next 1-2 weeks", so if people want a major bump in this release why do they raise this now after the branch is made ?
<kasper93> I was only asking. I don't want to impose any ideas to versioning
<michaelni> iam not sure why a major version change on ffmpeg would need to imply a major version change on the libs
<BtbN> Hm, I had kinda assumed that's the default
<michaelni> about 20182, if its reviewed, sure should be applied
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<michaelni> send a RFC to the ML about the 8.0 and bumping thing
<TheVibeCoder> do it with AI help
<michaelni> Its really just a question what the community prefers, the release isnt made yet
<BtbN> When was the large major bump? It feels like it's about time for one.
<BtbN> I also feel like it's either now or not for a long while, cause doing a major API bump in an 8.x release will confuse people
<michaelni> yes
<michaelni> do we need a bump ?
<michaelni> actually kasper93 did you check the versions ?
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on issue #20184 Consider the addition of a "needs backport" label for PRs (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/issues/20184#issuecomment-2674) by B⁠tbN
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20193 merged: avformat/tls_openssl: cleanup code and add doc for dtls (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20193) by B⁠tbN
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20193 merged: avformat/tls_openssl: cleanup code and add doc for dtls (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20193) by B⁠tbN
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20201 merged: doc/community.texi: fix spelling error (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20201) by B⁠tbN
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<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20202 merged: Fix Vulkan hwcontext build, fix CBS VP9 behaviour (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20202) by L⁠ynne
<toots5446> Hi! michaelni: what's the recommended way to deal with the API bump related to ogg/flac and ogg/opus? I'm not sure if I did it right.
<toots5446> The commit changing ogg/ogg/flac is 2fb6416dd06b5e66eca035458bb91b7956760d7c and ogg/opus is 9c5ed57f94a271b07176f068ff7c07b3139f7a3d both commited on May 6th.
<toots5446> Shall I add a API change entry retrospectively for them? Or shall it be simply done at the top of the changelog?
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<toots5446> ok I did one commit with backported API change using the version at the time of the commit and one more for the upcoming vorbis one: https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20026/files
<fjlogger> [FFmpeg/FFmpeg] Pull request #20186 merged: forgejo/autolabeler: clean up logic a bit and prevent self-looping (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/pulls/20186) by B⁠tbN