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<haasn>
Vulkan compute is also about an order of magnitude harder to use
<JEEB>
haasn: lol indeed re number 8)
<Lynne>
kierank: "Blender supports Metal compute in Cycles which has less capabilities than Vulkan compute. Also, we wrote entire codecs with Vulkan compute."
<Lynne>
or similar, up to you if you want to reword it
<JEEB>
I'm fine with commenting on stuff but while antagonizing people gets views and reactions, I really don't know if it's long-term a good idea
<JEEB>
we should rather be celebrating what was achieved, without the "look at them there" stuff
<kierank>
how many "quink"s are there
<haasn>
Lynne: why don't you reply that with your private account?
<fjlogger>
[FFmpeg/FFmpeg] New comment on issue #20073 Same videos (frame-to-frame wise) written by different applications produce different PSNR/SSIM/VMAF scores (Implicit vs explicit colorspace difference). (https://code.ffmpeg.org/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/issues/20073#issuecomment-4413) by DimkaTsv
<Traneptora>
I feel like shitting on people for using CUDA is kinda of sketchy when nvidia has such a big arm in the market, it's not like using CUDA is inherently a bad idea anyway
<Traneptora>
also second JEEB's thing about othering other FOSS projects, just say what we did
<Traneptora>
no need to do that
<Lynne>
did youtube drop all opus?
<Lynne>
this time for real?
<Traneptora>
wdym drop opus
<Lynne>
nvm, they updated something again and yt-dlp needed to be updated
<Lynne>
they keep locking behind anything but basic h264 and aac behind more complex mechanisms for yt-dlp to download
<Traneptora>
yea, iirc there was a recent yt-dlp update
<Traneptora>
that may have broken it. in the player in-browser it shows "stats for nerds"
<Traneptora>
as opus 251
<Traneptora>
Lynne: updating yt-dlp to 8.22 fixed it
<BtbN>
ffmpeg-devel is now running on mailman3. Archives are (very) slowly being imported into hyperkitty and public-inbox over the next couple hours.
<jamrial>
nice
<BtbN>
So if you notice anything wrong or weird, let me know
<BtbN>
The ffmpeg-devel mbox file is 2.5GB. Importing the 800MB cvslog mbox took 7h. So this is gonna take a hot minute.
<jamrial>
should emails show up as sent by the actual senders now?
<BtbN>
I mean, the setting is still to munge ALL mails
<BtbN>
since even mailman3 can't do anything about the likes of Micrisoft now hard-demaning SPF and DKIM signing, which the ML can only do if all mails are from @ffmpeg.org
<BtbN>
But mailman3 supports ARC signing, which hopefully allows us to not get blocked quite as hard anymore. But I'm not entirely sure yet how that is even set up
<jamrial>
alright
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<nevcairiel>
wasnt there something like we can improve signing if we kill the stupid footer?
<haasn>
maybe we should move to discord /s
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<BtbN>
Turning off the footer won't fix anything
<BtbN>
The problem is that the ffmpeg.org server is sending mails from not-ffmpeg.org
<BtbN>
and fails their DKIM/DMARC signing check
<jamrial>
BtbN: it will stop mangling the body and voiding some gpg signatures
<BtbN>
GPG is fine with a footer
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<BtbN>
The footer will simply not be signed
<BtbN>
It's trivial to turn it off, but I don't think it will fix anything
<jamrial>
yeah, but mailman can't handle how some clients do gpg signing. it used to be the case with thunderbird signatures and mailmain2
<BtbN>
Good chance that's fix now
<jamrial>
if my emails show up with valid gpg signatures, then it was fixed at some point
<BtbN>
I have nothing that could validate GPG signatures, so can't tell you
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<beastd>
Lynne,haasn,JEEB,Traneptora,kierank: As I understood it the twitter post was meant as nagging Blender devs to maybe reconsider Vulkan usage. Could have been formulated less aggressive IMHO.
<Traneptora>
sounds like a poor way to go about it tho ngl
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<iive>
BtbN, how hard would it be to move the list to ffmpeg.org domain?
<BtbN>
They are?
<BtbN>
We used to use lists.ffmpeg.org ages ago, but at some point switched all lists to the plain domain.
<iive>
oh , I don't understand that then "The problem is that the ffmpeg.org server is sending mails from not-ffmpeg.org"
<BtbN>
Yes, it's a mailing list. It's sending the mails From the domain of their sender
<BtbN>
but from our server
<BtbN>
and DKIM blocks that
<iive>
oha, the redirecting...
<iive>
it's strange tat dkim/dmarc doesn't support it, given maillist existed before these mail standards...
<jamrial>
Traneptora: ever since your exif rework, some tags are printed with trailing white spaces
<Traneptora>
jamrial: intentional, it's padded to specific width
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<jamrial>
ok
<BtbN>
iive: well, the problem is that some "Big player" mail servers have recently started insisting on every mail to be DKIM signed for them to accept it
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<BtbN>
And we can only DKIM sign it if it's from some ffmpeg.org domain
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