06:57 <aktina> yambar, but now the developer has archived it, so I need to find a sane alternative (not waybar, maybe my config is wrong but it takes long time to start up) or like yambar developer get used to not having any status bar (I rarely use it, like, sometimes I check to see how many apps I have kept open in monacle layout

11:44 <leon-p> you'll get used to having none quite fast. Most things displayed on status bars are fairly useless anyway

11:53 <LarstiQ> time & date at a glance plus which tags my windows are on are kinda important to me

11:53 <LarstiQ> battery level too though less often

11:54 <Nickli> battery level of my UPS would be something

11:58 <leon-p> I find tags to be only relevant when I am switching between them, so I have a tag popup which appears whenever something about tags changes and then disappears again

12:01 <LarstiQ> leon-p: yeah I use that too but I apparently have more of a need to know when I'm not switching

13:32 <bwbuhse> I haven’t used a bar in a year or so, just river-tag-overlay and my own clock application to have a clock visible, but I think I might go back to a bar with my rwm wm

13:32 <bwbuhse> but only to have a clock, because I’m tired of my clock being in front of things I want to see :)

14:12 <gbrlsnchs> I currently have a keybind to show me a notification with date, time and current focused window. I'd rather have a bar though, but no time to config one at the moment. I wonder if it's easy to write one geared towards my own WM...? I have zero experience with writing bars.

14:13 <ifreund> the protocol makes it easy for your WM to position a surface it creates whereever it likes without dealing with the complexity of layer shell

14:13 <ifreund> unfortunately, rendering text and whatnot to a surface in the first place isn't that easy

14:13 <ifreund> what language are you using?

14:14 <gbrlsnchs> At the moment, C

14:14 <gbrlsnchs> I was considering a Zig rewrite though

14:15 <Nickli> would be nice to see a pane based WM like Herbsluftwm or the windows thingy

14:16 <ifreund> In C i think cairo is probably the easiest way to render text and simple shapes to a surface

14:16 <ifreund> swaylock and swaybar use cairo iirc if you want an example

14:22 <gbrlsnchs> ifreund: Hmm gotcha. I will take a look on how to do that. Would fcft serve that purpose as well?

14:23 <ifreund> yes, fcft works great too I'm sure

14:23 <ifreund> it only does font rendering not drawing shapes though

14:23 <ifreund> and pixman is quite low-level

14:24 <gbrlsnchs> For my use case, only text (and emojis) is good enough

14:44 <bwbuhse> Right now, on wayland, you can't screencast individual windows, right? Only the whole screen?

14:46 <gbrlsnchs> ifreund: But out of curiosity, are bars external to rwm still compatible? Like, can they create surfaces independently and directly with the display server?

14:47 <ifreund> gbrlsnchs: not yet as the rwm branch doesn't support wlr-layer-shell yet

14:47 <ifreund> it is planned, but the window manager will have to opt-in to support and do a small amount of work

14:48 <ifreund> bwbuhse: that's right, but support for sharing individual windows is getting close

14:54 <gbrlsnchs> ifreund: I see. So right now only rendering your own bar is possible. That's good enough, I'll try something once I have a minimal version I can daily drive

14:55 <ifreund> layer shell support is fairly high on my todo list by the way, I want to be able to run fuzzel myself :D

14:56 <gbrlsnchs> ifreund: that would be needed for wbg as well I think, easier to run that than having to maintain code to show a background image =P

15:07 <bwbuhse> ifreund: thanks, that's what I thought

19:39 <pkap> Toplevel screensharing is basically done. It's waiting for the next wlroots release

19:43 <pkap> But already usable. And it's also merged in the wlr portal so it can be even used in zoom calls or similar.

21:58 <gbrlsnchs> only god knows for how long I've been using headless output and wl-mirror in order to share my screen at work, toplevel screensharing is a very welcome addition