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<shalokshalom> Mlton seems to have a similar build story
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<yawaramin> does it? they don't have a TLS cert and i don't feel like overriding my browser's warning 🤷♂️
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<yawaramin> also from what i heard the compiler is famously slow
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<yawaramin> OCaml brings together a lot of different little benefits that, individually don't seem that big, but once you put them together it's hard to give them up
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<polyml> you can get executables pretty easily from MLton, MLKit, PolyML, SML#, etc
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<yawaramin> how easily? like `dune build`?
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<polyml> They don't have a build manager like dune, but `polyc project.sml` `mlkit project.mlb` `mlton project.mlb`, etc
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<shalokshalom> The compiler is famously the fastest one for SML
<companion_cube>
The one producing the fastest code rather
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<froyo> a tls cert is only useful if you're sending data anyway. the website is read-only.
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<contificate> Secret exclusive forum if you're in the inner circle, the secret SML society
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<JM> That's the easy part, what does it look like once I split my code in 5 different lib/modules and add 10 dependencies?
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<contificate> MLton's build systems is simple enough that you can get different semantics from the order in which you list files in the `mlb` file - since it just concatenates all the files together, you can use file ordering to determine which definition shadows another - lol
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<contificate> It's kind of unfortunate that MLton never seemed to get any way to kind of serialise much of the processing of the MLbasis library - for a simple hello world, you concatenate the entire base library before your call to `print` and then it optimises and eliminates almost all of what it's dealing with
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<yawaramin> > Discourage open upper/lower bounds on dependency versions. Packages (including ports of Opam packages) will be versioned with semver.
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<deepspacejohn> apparently forwarded messages don't go through the IRC bridge.
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<companion_cube>
Sounds interesting, hu
<companion_cube>
Although breaking from dune is one step too far in my book
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<shadowkestrel> @gridbugs seems to be the one behind it :3
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<shadowkestrel> im definitely interested, although i dont immediately see logic for an equivalent to opam's switches - if they end up being excluded, that'd be a pretty big turn off for me
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<yawaramin> the readme mentions that it's conceptually more similar to cargo, so that would mean each project would essentially be its own 'switch'
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<yawaramin> if they keep the compiler separate from the packages as they are talking about, it may be possible to spin up projects aka 'switches' very quickly and efficiently
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<deepspacejohn> I feel like making per-project switches is a common question from newcomers, and I wonder how much of it is just being used to other package managers. In OCaml a global switch works really well IMO, especially at the beginner level where you're not juggling a lot of incompatible dependencies.
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<Kali> ocaml compiles way too slowly for me to consider per-project switches unless the compiler could somehow be cached for compatible versions
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<yawaramin> well that's what the relocatable compiler work is trying to do, make it possible to just copy an installed compiler to another directory. but...it's been in the works for years
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<yawaramin> per-project switches are needed by by people want to work on different projects that have different and conflicting package set requirements, maybe not everyone feels that pain
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<Kali> i wonder if some chroot wizardry would be able to magically relocate a compiler without having to change anything
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<Kali> unfortunately it would be pretty platform specific
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<deepspacejohn> you can symlink local switches, which isn't the same thing but if you need switch X for projects A and B and switch Y for projects C D and E then you only need to really to make two local switches.