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<SiFuh>
Hahaha "The View should be called The Spew" — Chase Geiser.
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<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "And Turkish get Greeks for 1 euro on black market." Ah, so the Turks buy Greek slaves? No wonder zorz wants to escape!
<remiliascarlet>
ukky: I use whatever is released when it comes to the kernel. I have too little time to bother with it.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "She's Asian, different world. They have to abide by husbands decisions" Then you've never seen women in South Korea and Taiwan.
<remiliascarlet>
In Korea they've gone so far into feminism that Korea is now collapsing when it comes to baby birth. Even worse than Japan.
<remiliascarlet>
Japan has a faster declining population, but we've been declining an entire decade before the Koreans.
<farkuhar>
For some reason I was recently thinking about the SimCity game franchise (1990s-era version). I remember vaguely being able to send the population into long-term decline by making some bad decisions.
<remiliascarlet>
Taiwan started to decline at the same time as Korea did, which also happens to have turned feminist at the same time as Korea. Coincidences?
<remiliascarlet>
It's lavaball going on a rampage on Twitter.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I have.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Actually I was thinking about those Epstein files. Democrats are in control of them and have been in control of them for a long time. If Trump was on it, don't you think they'd have released them to get at Trump. Secondly, if they have been in control of them so long, don't you think they'd doctor it to make Trump look bad so that he can't release it?
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Oh I forgot to mention. Wonder if lavaball is drafted for military. Germany is trying to push that.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "If Trump was on it, don't you think they'd have released them to get at Trump." They might have an own against Trump, but at the same time they'd also own themselves. So it's not as simple as that.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Europe in general seems to be pushing forced military drafts again. If they want to reduce their populations even further, then by all means, go ahead!
<remiliascarlet>
Also, I found out why `shutdown -h now` doesn't power off a BSD system. It's because Linux is wrong. On Linux, `shutdown -h now` halts and powers the system off, and there is no `-p` flag. On the BSD's, the `-h` flag only halts the OS, whereas `-p` actually powers off the computer.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I just do 'halt -p' I rarely use shutdown. I find it stupid that I have to type in flags and messages and times.
<remiliascarlet>
With `halt -p` you're still using a flag.
<SiFuh>
I said flags not flag
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Fscking hell woman. Actually shutdown is one of the things I really hate about linux and unix
<remiliascarlet>
I have never used the `shutdown` command with multiple flags.
<farkuhar>
On CRUX I'm always invoking it as `shutdown -h -P now`, for what it's worth.
<SiFuh>
shutdown -h -p "farkuhar's SimCity thoughts" now
<farkuhar>
I think I started doing that because `shutdown -h now` only halted the OS, and didn't actually power off the computer (even in Linux!).
<SiFuh>
halt -p
<SiFuh>
And on some linux systems halt
<farkuhar>
shutdown -h -p "SiFuh's Epstein files theories" now
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: I don't even use Linux anymore because of how much of a disaster it has become, and is getting worse every week.
<remiliascarlet>
The only guy who maintained Xorg for all these years forked it and made it into XLibre because a majority of the Linux community want to kill Xorg for no reason, which is one good thing coming out of the Linux community. And then they reacted with much REEing about "politics". Meanwhile they themselves have been extremely political for the past 15 years, and nobody cared.
<remiliascarlet>
And because of that, if you're using Linux, you just can't have nice things anymore.
<farkuhar>
kill Xorg, heh. That reminds me of the KDE Plasma and Wayland discussion taking place in #crux and the mailing list. I haven't been following too closely, but it seems that brian|lfs got it working now.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Mine is not a theory, it is a thought process being spoken out loudly dude.
<remiliascarlet>
However, forking XLibre did actually expose Red Hat's sinister agenda with their Gayland stuff; it's all about power and control, and forcing people from BSD and Illumos into Linux.
<SiFuh>
No it isn't
<remiliascarlet>
Meanwhile, Gayland exists for 17 years now, and it's still in alpha.
<SiFuh>
It's about forcing Linux-tards onto their path.
<SiFuh>
BSD don't give a shit. OpenBSD has it's own fork of Xorg. No way in heck will they bow down to those insane morons in Linux.
<remiliascarlet>
But also forcing BSD and Illumos users into Linux by deliberately making software incompatible with X11.
<SiFuh>
And if Xorg was to be banished from Linux, I guarantee the BSD guys will poach OpenBSD's xenocara
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: It will never happen
<remiliascarlet>
They will without a doubt. I'm talking strictly about 3rd party software.
<SiFuh>
BSD is way more powerful than I think you know.
<remiliascarlet>
Gnome already removed X11 support entirely.
<remiliascarlet>
And Firefox also had plans to do the same, but I don't think they've done so yet.
<SiFuh>
If it was to come to what you think, you watch all the forks appear. BSD will go on a way different path and the software will be so much better.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: So... It actually may end up being a good thing
<remiliascarlet>
I would like to think so too. However, out of all the software in the ports collections, only a fraction of the developers even know BSD exists at all.
<SiFuh>
The ports BSD uses from those clowns will be forked.
<remiliascarlet>
The biggest worry is browser support, given that there are only 2 browsers: Furryfox and AdrenoChromium.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: You need a browser?
<remiliascarlet>
There used to be Pale Moon, but its developer has bullied it out of OpenBSD.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: In case you didn't know Pale moon wanted OpenBSD to remove its badges from their browser
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Unfortunately, computers have been made useless without a browser nowadays, by design.
<farkuhar>
Is it instructive to look at third-party support for audio backends (ALSA/PulseAudio/Pipewire) as an example of how third-party software might adapt to the evolving X11/Wayland landscape? Gradually drop support for X11, the way they did with native-ALSA output?
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I think you are correct but wrong. But it is a shame.
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: I'd much rather wonder why an audio backend needs to support any display server in the first place.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: ALSA sucked from day one
<remiliascarlet>
Besides, ALSA, PulseAudio, and Pipewire all only matter on Linux anyway, the BSD's all have their own backends.
<remiliascarlet>
Not entirely sure about Illumos though.
<farkuhar>
Nominally, libsdl2 should still work with ALSA as the audio backend, at least if I'm reading jue's Pkgfile correctly. But it's been years since I last had sound in any of my SDL games, and I'm curious to pinpoint exactly when that support disappeared.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: At least ALSA is simple, unlike the other 2. But it's too simple, so much so that I can't have multiple audio sources playing at the same time, and have to shutdown a program playing sound just to listen to audio from another program, which is very annoying.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: So basically you are saying that you are like me. Need to listen to 75 million different sounds?
<remiliascarlet>
Not that many.
<remiliascarlet>
But being able to just pause music in a music player to then listen to a YouTube video, and then unpause the music player again for example is useful.
<SiFuh>
Okay.........
<SiFuh>
You just gave me another problem to solve
<SiFuh>
I hate you sometimes.
<SiFuh>
I am trying to design my own OpenBSD headunit (Car radio)
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Did I mention I went to the Asean Summit last week?
<remiliascarlet>
No.
<SiFuh>
We went twice. My friend who was driving couldn't find parking. So we parked in the no-public access zone next to the police cars and the second time amongst the governent SUVs.
<SiFuh>
He was saying "How brilliant am I" I said "If we make it across the parking lot without handcuffs and prison then sure" Then we arrive at the door and has metal detectors and security. I said "I have weapons according to them. Knives and stuff"
<SiFuh>
"Hold on!" And I talked to the hotel staff and got snuck into the back entrance.
<SiFuh>
I said to him "How brilliant am I?"
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Aparently Lavrov and Rubio were there. Never saw them. I came to insult another guy.
<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet: Oh, that must be why everyone in #crux and on the mailing list seems to be in such a hurry to troubleshoot their KDE Plasma+Wayland sessions, before the last remaining X11-friendly version is deprecated.
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: Just use TDE instead if you really need a KDE-like experience.
<remiliascarlet>
It's a fork of KDE 3.5, like how MATE is a fork of Gnome 2.0.
<remiliascarlet>
And it's probably way less hostile towards anyone on the right of Stalin.
<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet: According to the Pointiest Stick article, the KDE Plasma developers are prioritizing Wayland based on (among other things) telemetry data collected from current users. I wonder what the full picture would be, if data had been gathered also from the users who disable telemetry.
<SiFuh>
In case you missed the bullshit farkuhar it is corporate speech. May and increase
<SiFuh>
Smoking increases the risk... so it may do and increases it but it doesn't and can't be proven
<ukky>
remiliascarlet: You have decent HW then which is supported by OpenBSD. My system triggers kernel panic in one of NetBSD kernel modules.
<ukky>
remiliascarlet: my ALSA config allows multiple audio sources playing simultaniously, with pause, and without pause. I can listen to mpv audio and watch youtube with sound simultaneously.
<farkuhar>
ukky: That's easy to accomplish if your soundcard supports hardware mixing.
<ukky>
farkuhar: it may depend on HW, but I have cheap (and one more expensive) USB audio devices. They seem all support multiple audio sources.
<farkuhar>
For soundcards that don't support hardware mixing, I remember having to use the ALSA dmix plugin. Nowadays I rarely need to do that.
<ukky>
what remiliascarlet describes does not look like mixing problem. If program opens audio device for output, the other program will fail using it.
<ukky>
farkuhar: You are right, I use dmix plugin to accomplish this
<SiFuh>
Fucking dog is a nicotine addict. I blame zorz
<SiFuh>
ukky: Was going to tell or ask you something but it is lost. Never mind. Must not be important
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: lavaball says he was kicked out of service and he is unware why
<SiFuh>
Both zorz and I were in the service. I doubt lavaball ever was in