<remiliascarlet> farkuhar: Display server so simple, it takes them a whole year to figure out a problem.
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh_: Remember when I muted server announcements? It didn't work... "awoo (awoo@libera/staff/wolf/moonmoon):" Libera staff, I don't care whether you're gay, a furry, a transformer, or just a normal person!
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<Quintero-Habana-> remiliascarlet hahah me too
<Quintero-Habana-> Wallops I think they are called.
<Quintero-Habana-> A furry is someone with an interest in anthropomorphic animals, meaning animals with human characteristics like intelligence, speech, and the ability to walk on two legs. The furry fandom is a subculture where individuals express this interest through various activities, including creating and embodying animal characters, known as fursonas, and
<Quintero-Habana-> often creating elaborate costumes called fursuits
<Quintero-Habana-> Heh, that's accepted in some places in the US? That's insanity to be honest
<Quintero-Habana-> A false rumor alleged that certain North American schools were providing litter boxes in bathrooms for students who "identify as cats"
<Quintero-Habana-> The FURRIES Act would ban Texas students from using litter boxes in school.
<Quintero-Habana-> Okay, so why would they make a law about something if it doesn't exist
<Quintero-Habana-> There is a law in the US that prohibits dlcusa, farkuhar and myself from coming into contact with extraterrestrials and their vehicles
<Quintero-Habana-> ukky Mechanic: "I need to replace all 5 pumps for brakes." Me: "But I am the pump. You mean cylinders?" Mechanic "Yeah, something like that" Hahahahaha
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<Quintero-Habana-> zorz: You are gay!
<Quintero-Habana-> zorz: I am in KL now. Wife's VIOS being checked by my mechanic friend. My truck also in another workshop getting all the brakes and cylinders changed.
<zorz> Quintero-Habana-: gay people use mobile phones to irc :P
<Quintero-Habana-> Good thing I use computer
<zorz> hahahaa
<zorz> Quintero-Habana-: this is a nice toyota https://www.toyota.nl/modellen/landcruiser but 200k in pocket are better :P
<Quintero-Habana-> I found a Datsun 120Y
<Quintero-Habana-> I will try to buy it from the guy. Maybe chuck a 2JZ engine in it.
<Quintero-Habana-> zorz my friend will buy a Toyota Harrier 2025
<Quintero-Habana-> zorz: that model Land Cruiser is not good for offroad
<zorz> still prefer hilux
<Quintero-Habana-> The 70's model?
<zorz> vios or harrier do not ship in europe.
<zorz> any model is good.
<zorz> hilux are good.
<Quintero-Habana-> I prefer the 70's series Hilux. Bulleproof, never dies
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<farkuhar> remiliascarlet: The issue probably isn't attributable to Wayland, because a similar error message is triggered in X11 by another app. I think it can be blamed on GTK changing its API, and application developers not keeping up.
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<farkuhar> Hmm, maybe GTK is not to blame. After updating some ports on the laptop to their latest versions, I still haven't reproduced the crash-on-startup behaviour that affects the CRUX-MUSL desktop. Here are the remaining differences that the pkgdb is aware of: https://dpaste.com/BC5WZB4LK
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<Olutmies> I fuck
<Olutmies> Hahaha
<Olutmies> I fucking exploded today
<Olutmies> Ripped shreds out of the boss
<Olutmies> Told him to grow the fuck up. Stress is childish. Be a boss
<Olutmies> He replied "Thank you. I try" what the fuck?
<Olutmies> Today two truck loads of car parts. He started work then sat down and gossiped with the staff. His brother and I never stopped. We unloaded and sorted all the parts.
<Olutmies> I don't get paid. But it needs to be done.
<Olutmies> So it is done now. Now I will tear shreds out of him again
<Olutmies> Remiliascarlet I was asked today how I can pick up a 250kg bag. I replied. Beer and beef, vegetarians are pussies
<Olutmies> All staff are vegetarian or chicken eaters
<Olutmies> Not vegans
<Olutmies> I am quite annoyed about today
<farkuhar> ukky: tim seems to have a different threshold for what counts as systemd. Yesterday in #crux he insisted that there's no systemd infestation, not through eudev, nor through xorg-xf86-lib{input,evdev}.
<farkuhar> I'm not familiar enough with any of those codebases to have an informed opinion, though.
<farkuhar> jaeger says it's the unix/linux way to come up with "17 ways to solve a problem", which might explain the proliferation of init systems and display servers. The fact that these alternatives can't all coexist peacefully (without partisan bickering) testifies to the tribal instinct in our species.
<farkuhar> I'm still curious why remiliascarlet thought zorz needed to get "blackpilled" by a site pointing out the disadvantages of Wayland. I thought zorz had shifted his focus to augmenting CRUX core with pkgsrc for managing non-core ports.
<Olutmies>  I just the decimated the boss. Huge argument. I told him to his face. Your business is fucked. You work to make money right? He said of course, this is what business is for. I said wrong! You work to make a name for yourself. Your name needs to be the name on everyone's tongue. Then you make money. I destroyed him
<Olutmies> You do good, do well you do not need a linked in account
<Olutmies> I do the impossible, and I get calls even from him. Because someone told him,n I know a guy and they called me
<Olutmies> He asked me how much and I said beer, food and a floor to sleep on. He asks money? And I said I care not.
<Olutmies> Now I am forever burned into his memory and my name lives on
<farkuhar> What a surprise, Olutmies and beerman agree on something: money isn't the only motivation for the projects we pursue.
<Olutmies> Really?
<farkuhar> "I think none of us is here for the money" in response to ppetrov^s suggestion of a paypal/patreon/whatever donation mechanism.
<Olutmies> I think the last time I worked for money was 2019
<Olutmies> I have a job before I go back to Japan that requires abseiling and a harness. I suggested a parachute but no one can buy publicly here. They said if I use to save my life I will still go to prison
<farkuhar> 2019 is also the year when beerman added lightdm to contrib. Maybe it still builds with minor adjustments after receiving no maintainership since 2021, but hsp wasn't willing to test it out.
<Olutmies> So I don't have a fail safe that can fail also
<Olutmies> Beer man is a fucking festering pus ball in CRUX. Why are we talking  about this cunt?
<Olutmies> He is a septic disease
<farkuhar> Change your nick, then. I keep reading "Olutmies" and am constantly reminded of beerman.
<Olutmies> He is the death of CRUX
Olutmies is now known as FuckYouHard
<FuckYouHard> Okay?
<FuckYouHard> Hahaha
<FuckYouHard> I am not home. I am in KL do business that requires no money
FuckYouHard is now known as SiFuh-KL
<SiFuh-KL> KL and by the way, politicians are so fucking stupid
<farkuhar> Politics is a career path that you'd have to be stupid to choose.
<SiFuh-KL> I was talking to several in the last few days. I have planks if wood at my home I can have better conversations with
<SiFuh-KL> These people are really dumb
<SiFuh-KL> They invited us to their home. I tapped my friend in the shoulder and said we go to the loo together then I told him "do not go to their home"
<SiFuh-KL> Hee asked why and I said these people are fucking evil so he turned them down
<SiFuh-KL> Now he is upset about a rat. He said all abd luck happen to today because a rat knocked his Hindu god picture down
<SiFuh-KL> Fucking humans
<SiFuh-KL> I didn't even know. I slept 5 metres from it. Never heard the glass shatter. That scares me because I can hear a rat fart
<SiFuh-KL> And strangely enough, I was sleeping West to East even thou I always sleep North to South
<ukky> farkuhar: Crux will be considered SystemD-free when added to this list: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2025/06/09/363/
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<farkuhar> ukky: In this channel you're preaching to the choir. It would be more effective to offer a rebuttal in #crux when beerman implies that the absence of two specific ports (systemd and elogind) is sufficient to qualify CRUX as SystemD-free: https://libera.catirclogs.org/crux/2025-08-13#38559404;
<ukky> farkuhar: yeah, I know, we all in this channel are on the same level (I think) wrt systemd
<ukky> But systemd-free is not just free of systemd-init and systemd-elogind.
<farkuhar> The more technical the rebuttal, the better. If your only cited commonality between systemd and the CRUX ports you mentioned (eudev, xorg-xf86-libevdev) is the team behind them/promoting them, and not any shared code or interdependency, then you're making a political argument. And as SiFuh pointed out, politics attracts a lot of stupid.
<ukky> eudev, even as a fork of udev, is systemd. pulseaudio, even though not directly part of systemd, was written by the same guy.
<ukky> And it is pointless to discuss OS minimalism in #crux as many people there love their complex DE setups.
<farkuhar> Voicing a contrary opinion in #crux would be pointless, if the channel were only populated by long-time users who are set in their ways and cannot be persuaded to change. But to the extent that the channel is visited by newbies who haven't settled on how minimalist their distro should be, it makes sense to offer a dissenting opinion sometimes.
<farkuhar> hsp sounded like one such newbie. Giving them a variety of perspectives is better than letting DE maximalism be the only voice they hear in #crux.
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