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<galibert[m]> How did you find those?
<Wanda[cis]> right there in the toolchain data files
<galibert[m]> that's in quartus? never noticed
<Wanda[cis]> right in the filenames
<Wanda[cis]> and in verilog
<galibert[m]> (for the altera ones, of course)
<galibert[m]> ohhhh yeah
<Wanda[cis]> like. quartus was the least hidden of those
<galibert[m]> like, nightfury and stuff
<galibert[m]> It’s sad, cyclone V doesn’t have a cute nickname
<Wanda[cis]> it might still have one
<Wanda[cis]> I think the toolchain I extracted it from was some old version
<Wanda[cis]> and I never got around to installing anything newer
<galibert[m]> I checked 20.something
<Wanda[cis]> ah, in that case, welp
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<Wanda[cis]> hmmmm.
<Wanda[cis]> looks with violent intent at Quartus
<galibert[m]> hm?
<Wanda[cis]> there's one major vendor I haven't started dealing with yet, at all
<Wanda[cis]> maybe it's time to fix it
<galibert[m]> I kinda know a lot about quartus, if needed
<galibert[m]> but if you're "just" looking for a fpga family to play with, I'd love to have tangdynasty/eagle 20 RE-d :-)
<Wanda[cis]> is it the anlogic stuff?
<galibert[m]> yep
<Wanda[cis]> not super interested in that
<galibert[m]> ok
<Wanda[cis]> no, I'm specifically interested in dealing with quartus
<galibert[m]> ok then
<Wanda[cis]> and altera fpgas
<galibert[m]> honestly, they're fun :-)
<Wanda[cis]> because it seems to be ... like the one fpga line that's not a xilinx descendant
<Wanda[cis]> and I want to feed my code something different for a change
<Wanda[cis]> (meanwhile anlogic has the distinct lattice smell)
<Wanda[cis]> I guess actel would be the other possibility, but it's kinda too obscure to bother with right now
<Wanda[cis]> also, wrt anlogic
<Wanda[cis]> is there like... a good way to obtain the docs and toolchain?
<galibert[m]> you're using linux?
<Wanda[cis]> last time I looked at it, I had trouble figuring out what I'm even dealing with
<Wanda[cis]> well, yeah
<Wanda[cis]> but, well, wine exists
<galibert[m]> nah, I have the linux version
<Wanda[cis]> (fun fact: my code that deals with early xilinx devices involves running the tools in dosbox)
<galibert[m]> nice
<galibert[m]> insane, cursed, but nice
<Wanda[cis]> I wonder if I'll end up hooking up that old neocad into prjcombine at some point
<Wanda[cis]> it involves native 32-bit windows executables
<Wanda[cis]> that also have a DOS extended in the MZ stub
<Wanda[cis]> which emulates just enough of kernel32.dll to be able to run the whole thing under DOS
<galibert[m]> fun
<whitequark[cis]> that cute thing
<galibert[m]> DOS running in dosbox obviously?
<Wanda[cis]> and by "32-bit Windows" I mean "Windows NT 3.1" because nothing else existed at that point
<Wanda[cis]> well, that's what I tested, yeah
<Wanda[cis]> but with the release date in 1994 I'm reasonably sure it's meant to run on actual DOS
<Wanda[cis]> anyway, that thing supports ATT3000 (aka XC3000 second source, which is mostly uninteresting because I already reversed it) and ATT1C00 (which I have found no other toolchain for, so far)