<dramforever[m]1>
is it just me or is linux-riscv mailing list kinda slow at picking up new mail or sending them to lore
<dramforever[m]1>
i think maybe starting some time this week
<palmer>
dramforever[m]1: IIRC the lore indexes are regenerated at some fixed cadence, and there’s been a ton of load from the AI scrapers lately so I wouldn’t be surprised if something’s up. If you’re just trying to make a permalink to the message then you can generate one from the Message-ID field, which you know before you even send it (and going to that link usually kicks the system to look more closely)
<palmer>
For me the message-id-based links usually come up in less than a minute, but I’ll try and remember to check next time I go look
<dramforever[m]1>
ah, it's fine, i'm not in a hurry
<dramforever[m]1>
just wondering if there's something wrong
<palmer>
Ya, it’s always good to try and catch the mailing list stuff when it’s in the “just a bit broken” stage, as sometimes that means it’s trending to going completely off the rails
<dramforever[m]1>
lkml seems to be a lot faster at picking it up the same email though
<palmer>
You mean linux-kernel is faster than linux-riscv, or lkml.org is faster at getting linux-riscv than lore.kernel.org is?
<palmer>
Ya, that’s linux-kernel (must be some alias or something, it’s at the top)
<palmer>
So that’s probably because we’re at infradead.org and getting stuff over to kernel.org is slower somehow, I bet mricon has some vger->lore magic going on somewhere
<palmer>
I’ve generally found the infradead.org lists are a little slower, but I don’t think that’s linux-riscv specific
<dramforever[m]1>
that's possible
<palmer>
(Though we have had some other linux-riscv issues related to stuff like DKIM)
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<dramforever[m]1>
oh wait we have an archive of linux-riscv on infradead as well
<dramforever[m]1>
also incomplete on infradead archive page
<dramforever[m]1>
if you change linux-riscv to lkml it is complete on lore
<dramforever[m]1>
just as an example, i don't really need it to be complete on lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv
<palmer>
OK, something must have gotten eaten somewhere then. I think there’s some sort of “what list does this come through” agreement protocol between the servers, so when things are on multiple lists they only show up to one. I’ve seen that go off the rails before.
<palmer>
There’s nothing stuck in the linux-riscv infradead.org mailman spam filter, so it’s not that
<dramforever[m]1>
yeah i'm not actually stuck on anything, just an observation
<dramforever[m]1>
the actual thing i care about (and just to be clear, in general, i don't need it rn) is being able to pull messages in thunderbird from lore's nntp
<palmer>
Ya, makes sense. It’s just kind of good to know about these mailing list pathologies
<dramforever[m]1>
and that one i do kinda want it to be linux-riscv and not all
<dramforever[m]1>
oh hey the emails showed up
<palmer>
Ya, that’s always the problem with mail delivery — as soon as someone starts looking it changes ;)
<palmer>
Nope, I just went to the mailman spam list and it said “There are no pending requests.”. Pretty sure that should be a NOP, but who knows
<palmer>
Ya, it’s an actual quantum computer ;)
<palmer>
And that’s what makes it so hard to figure out what’s up: there’s so many systems talking to each other that by the time you bisect the problem down to one, it’s been kicked by something else and started working again
<dramforever[m]1>
i was thinking theoretically i could test with my own mail server that would just talk to infradead directly, but things started moving again and i bet i wouldn't reproduce whatever is getting it stuck
<palmer>
Ya, who knows
<palmer>
Things do get stuck from time to time, so if you want to throw some time into figuring out what’s up it might find something. I’m a terrible sysadmin, though, so It’s not really something I’m going to help out with
<dramforever[m]1>
no not touching that...
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