<inline>
well, you can't share everything right there too, you have to enable some badges or earn or buy or whatever....
<inline>
hah
<adam12>
Wow. I haven't heard of DCC/XDCC in like 25 years.
<lame-camel>
hey adam12! good to see you
<inline>
right DCC is free
<adam12>
lame-camel: hello!
<lame-camel>
inline, in general you can. but I get you.
<lame-camel>
it sucks that I change names too often. you guys likely don't remember me at all, despite having spoken to you in like, almost every season-al instance.
<adam12>
lame-camel: Yea. I have a feeling I know who you are. But why do you change names so often?
<lame-camel>
adam12, I guess it feels like a fresh new page in my life. much has happened over the years.
<lame-camel>
adam12, I believe our last discussion was related to web development and sinatra vs rails
<adam12>
lame-camel: Oh? Hmm. Good chance of that. Maybe you're not I am thinking of.
<lame-camel>
adam12, last name was John_Ivan
<adam12>
lame-camel: Definitely not the same person I was thinking, but I remember you now.
<lame-camel>
yay
<adam12>
lame-camel: There's another person who bounces in and out of here with a new nickname almost every time.
<adam12>
So I guess you're not the only one.
<lame-camel>
ah
<lame-camel>
adam12, how has life treated you?
<adam12>
lame-camel: I can't complain, thanks. 2024 was fairly quiet business wise, but 2025 is going crazy.
<adam12>
lame-camel: How about you?
<lame-camel>
i guess on the programming aspect and engineering, good. real life - not so much. just hating the world more and more every day.
<adam12>
lame-camel: I get that.
<lame-camel>
I got into philosophy last year
<lame-camel>
a long ride. very useful stuff I learned. but for the theological aspect of it, I guess I can say I got exposed to various arguments but in the end - no final answer.
<lame-camel>
"Is there a God?" remains unanswered.
<lame-camel>
adam12, I went from Theism to Atheism then to Agnostic-Theism and now, Deism.
<adam12>
lame-camel: Sounds like quite the journey.
<lame-camel>
adam12, mmm. I don't think I ever asked any of the people I know here on their beliefs. Would you mind sharing? Simple Theist/Atheist works for me, if you don't want to elaborate.
<adam12>
lame-camel: I'd rather not, to be honest.
<lame-camel>
Alright.
<adam12>
:)
<lame-camel>
adam12, I finished the project I was working on last time. I came to conclusion that for a lot of web applications, the majority of code ultimately comes down to being CSS.
<lame-camel>
Which makes sense. It's ultimately webUI.
<adam12>
lame-camel: Oh yeah. A big reason why both Bootstrap and Tailwind took a lot of the world by storm. Making things look pretty are a lot harder than making things work (at least, imho)
<lame-camel>
yeah, a huge % is a shitton of CSS.
<lame-camel>
adam12, and just my luck, CSS is the part of web development that I suck the most at :P
<adam12>
lame-camel: LOL. I like to joke that you can tell when I've designed something - it's designed like a backend developer, with everything being a perfect grid of squares.
<lame-camel>
:D
<lame-camel>
another thing I wanna add. CSS becomes a pain when things aren't vertical.
<lame-camel>
at least, that's what I've noticed the big issue is, when I encounter problems in CSS. trying to do something like a grid or entities being horizontal.
<adam12>
It's tough. And a lot of the reason it's tough is the web is moving fast.
<lame-camel>
mm
<adam12>
I work with a lot of teams and very few truly understand CSS today. They still design in 2019 or 2015 or GAH, 2012-like CSS.
<lame-camel>
I can see that. I told myself that I think I wouldn't understand CSS properly even if I took a dedicated course in it.
<lame-camel>
So yeah, I can totally see lots of people not knowing what CSS truly is doing.
<lame-camel>
adam12, sometimes I even thought that, this shit should be redesigned from scratch. at the browser level. but that ain't happening anytime soon. if ever.
<lame-camel>
like, scrap CSS. rebuild it as a new language.
<adam12>
lame-camel: Here to stay, unfortunately.
<adam12>
lame-camel: I'm not minding CSS in 2025. A lot of the improvements have actually been fantastic.
<lame-camel>
with tailwind and the like?
<adam12>
I still don't have great design ability, but if I get a styleguide together it's not bad.
<adam12>
I'm not using Tailwind anymore, so maybe not specifcally that, but things that make me like it as a backend developer
<lame-camel>
ah yeah, there's AI copilot as well nowadays which does great at spitting out code too.
<adam12>
ie. Variables, layers, CSS grid, nesting, etc.
<lame-camel>
adam12, that sounds like Sass doesn't it?
<adam12>
Some CSS functions.
<adam12>
Oh yeah. Sass was ahead of it's time, for sure.
<lame-camel>
I'm still yet to see situations where SaSS would __benefit me__ in particular but I think my webapps are never big enough to require CSS to be dynamic.
<adam12>
I haven't used Sass in some time now.
<adam12>
With nesting support being fairly close to worldwide supported, I just use that.
<lame-camel>
adam12, I'm sad things like Dreamweaver haven't truly took over.
<adam12>
lame-camel: I have a friend who used Dreamweaver up until just recently. He did eventually switch to flexbox but was a table wizard for MANY years.
<adam12>
lame-camel: Kind of fun actually, how quickly he turned out websites.
<lame-camel>
yeah, I like approaches that are predictable and RAD
<lame-camel>
unlike all the unpredictable mess + the lack of WYSIWYG editors
<lame-camel>
the web could be so nice to work with if people just
<lame-camel>
adam12, gave up on some features and technologies, you know? and standardized thngs.
<lame-camel>
but instead you have...
<lame-camel>
a jungle. is the only way I can call it.
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<nakilon>
havenwood: minitest does not have the nice report.htm
<nakilon>
(although my coworkers don't like it anyway and mumble about allure)
<nakilon>
I wish the htm exporter was not built-in into tests runner runtime
<nakilon>
it should be a junit-to-htm converter
<nakilon>
it's so stupid they don't do it
<nakilon>
there is literally no sense in writing htm on fly
<nakilon>
any intermediate static format would be nice, so people would make adapters from minitest to that format and then it would be converted to that nice htm
<nakilon>
anyway, I had some other question, hmmm
<nakilon>
oh, is there a <<~ heredoc for regex?
<nakilon>
because Sublime can't fold properly if there is no indentation