11:05 <kaylie> Hi all! This looks real neat, I'd like to ask: can/does this resolve screen tearing and stutter problems when using multiple monitors of different refresh-rates? X11 DEs/WMs have been virtually unusable for me because basically any game will tear like crazy and feel horrible.

11:06 <f_> kaylie: well, we don't have multimonitor support yet

11:07 <kaylie> f_: That's fair, but you guys definitely know more about compositing than I do -- do you know if this problem could/would be remedied down the line with X11 DEs as the project progresses?

11:07 <f_> there's no screen tearing in wayback at the moment

11:08 <f_> no matter the X11 DE you run inside it

11:08 <f_> I don't think that would change when multimonitor support comes

11:09 <kaylie> That's great! I'll check in with this project periodically then, best of luck to all of you! :)

11:09 <f_> ty! :)

11:09 <f_> for the most part it's mostly complete and usable

11:09 <kaylie> i'll have to try it on another machine sometime, one that's not my main

11:09 <f_> There's just a few things here and there that don't quite work

11:10 <f_> kaylie: I actually run it on my main, when I'm not dealing with multiple displays. And Ariadne runs it on her main too

11:10 <f_> You can run it on a separate tty if you prefer

11:11 <f_> no need for a completely separate computer

11:11 <f_> But you do you :)

11:11 <kaylie> i have older computers to spare that i don't have any other use for, so i typically use them for experiments

11:11 <f_> cool

12:47 <ConanKudo[m]1> f_: I think the main thing left for completing substitutability is completely stubbing /usr/bin/X

12:48 <f_> I think it is already completely stubbed? At least it ignores/recognises all Xorg opts

12:48 <f_> Maybe some of these ignored/stubbed options can be reimplemented though

12:49 <f_> and I think the Xorg config should probably also be parsed

12:55 <dramforever[m]> i'm not sure what xorg config even works tbh

12:56 <f_> typically I only see it being used when Xorg w/o config just doesn't work

12:56 <f_> Not sure if anyone uses Xorg configs much these days

12:58 <dramforever[m]> yeah but can we even handle those as a wlroots compositor

12:58 <f_> I think we can handle some of them

12:58 <f_> Obviously not all of them, but some of them possibly yes

12:58 <f_> That said I wouldn't consider this a priority, more like something that "would be nice to have"

13:04 <ConanKudo[m]1> I consider Xorg configs out of scope

13:05 <ConanKudo[m]1> as long as we can be launched by xinit, we're good

13:06 <dramforever[m]> yeah it would be very low priority esp since we won't be able to handle much

13:06 <dramforever[m]> also considering that the xkb commands already mostly work

13:06 <f_> I'd like to think of this as low priority rather than out of scope, it would be nice to have because we could handle some of it, but if it's not there it's not the end of the world either

13:07 <dramforever[m]> i think we agree that "get what users need working" is higher priority than "get what users need working exactly the way it did"

13:09 <f_> I mean, I'd like to get it as close as possible

13:09 <f_> but xorg configs... not sure anyone ever intentionally touched them in decades

13:11 <ConanKudo[m]1> I would rather have a different config system

13:11 <ConanKudo[m]1> reimplementing the Xorg config system is a very dangerous road

13:11 <ConanKudo[m]1> and frankly I don't want to go there because it creates a new set of expectations that I don't think we should have

13:11 <f_> fair enough

13:12 <ConanKudo[m]1> if we need a config system, then a new toml-based one would be sufficient

13:12 <f_> Personally the only time I ever touched Xorg configs was as a device/distro maintainer where I have a few device ports I maintain, which need an Xorg config for Xorg to work. These same devices work in wayland with no config

13:12 <f_> (in the recent decade that is)