<geist>
there's one i have, though i dont know if he sells it anymore
<geist>
rosco m68k
<geist>
yah doesn't look for sale anymore
<geist>
most likely all the SBCs you'd have found in the day would have been coldfire microcontroller based things
<geist>
since it requires a fair amount of logic to drive a 68k, trivial now with cheap CPLDs and fpgas and cheap sram chips, but at the time a SBC would have been basically just a plain 68k computer of some type
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<kof673>
a 24-bit fixed point Motorola DSP56303 Digital Signal Processor, clocked at 100 MHz · a 32-bit ColdFire microcontroller (model MCF5206), clocked at 40 MHz.
* kof673
points at chameleon hiding in shade under bush looking for caterpillar to eat
<kof673>
it ran rtems IIRC
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<nikolar>
but coldfire based boards aren't that interesting (to me at least) because they don't have mmus iirc
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<EmanueleDavalli>
Any quick and dirty way to test if my udp packets get routed correctly on the internet? I don't want to implement ICMP yet
<heat>
what do you mean routed correctly?
<heat>
dhcp and dns both use UDP, so if you send a valid request and get a response back...
<EmanueleDavalli>
That they reach the router and the router gets them on the internet correctly
<zid`>
wireshark
<EmanueleDavalli>
I was thinking of making a DNS query
<zid`>
surely you'renot trying to do networking *without* wireshark
<heat>
yeah wireshark should tell you (through ICMP) if its being dropped, I believe
<mjg>
- mutex_enter(&fp->f_lock);
<mjg>
+ mutex_exit(&fp->f_lock);
<mjg>
8S
<zid`>
or just.. look at the packet
<zid`>
if it's garbage it'll be red and black and nasty, if not, it'll look like a packet and tell you what src/port/dst/port/payload it has
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<EmanueleDavalli>
Thank you all. I already have dhcp and the packets look correct in wireshark
<EmanueleDavalli>
I just wanted to see if I could reach beyond the router, I'll try a DNS query
<zid`>
https://i.imgur.com/bzjVXrH.png so if you wanted to send 30 bytes from 1.20.146.80:1077 to 192.168.0.11:18217 this is correct, otherwise it isn't :P
<heat>
wtf is that ip
<zid`>
if you start adding protocol data inside the packet, it'll start decoding that too, repeat until happy
<zid`>
what's wrong with it
<zid`>
It's someone in bangkok and my lan address, respectively
<heat>
it's just a very low-numbering IP
<heat>
unusual
<zid`>
so we should ban 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 for being "too low", and 250, 251 etc for being too high, 172-192 for looking 'too lan'
<zid`>
any other cutouts?
<heat>
no, it's just unusual
<EmanueleDavalli>
I sent an empty DNS query (all 0s) to 8.8.8.8 and got back a format error, so I guess it works
<AmyMalik>
wtf xd
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<Ermine>
zid`: you ban 1.1.1.1 this way
<zid`>
heat banned it not me
<zid`>
1 is an illegal /8 apparently
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<geist>
hmm is it? in that case 8.8 would too right?
<geist>
or did cloudstrike just make sure they have the /16 or /24 that contains it?
<geist>
ah there's a cortex-m33 DCLS version too huh
<nikolar>
oh yeah cute
<nikolar>
that poor 100+mhz cpu needs to chew through gigabytes of raw data from the sensors kek
<zid`>
long live pppc
<nikolar>
ppppppc
<zid`>
it might also just be stuffed with other things, and that's the 'control' logic chip only
<zid`>
running actual tasks
<nikolar>
yeah that's likely
<geist>
i wonder if a DCLS design like that you are required (or should) physically lay it out so that at least the cores are away from each other
<geist>
ie, not just glommed together however the asic layout tool did it
<zid`>
It might just straight do 5ghz carrier + data + radio
<nikolar>
some dsps for sensor processing and stuff
<zid`>
and the cpu can turn it on/off
<zid`>
that's how a lot of apollo worked, but apollo thought transistors were 'fancy'
<zid`>
so a lot of it was just pick a frequency, and blare raw data out over that frequency
<nikolar>
apollo stuff was fascinating
<nikolar>
and to be fair, early transistors were shit kek
<nikolar>
though i am not aware of any apollo hardware dying
<zid`>
They were great, they were just the size of house flies
<nikolar>
ever
<geist>
on that note curiousmarc on youtube has some great vids of recreating the apollo radio stuff
<zid`>
lots of it is dead now
<nikolar>
well yeah, when it's been sitting in sump dump
<zid`>
marc has to keep fixing it
<geist>
as in pieces of the real thing, recreating the uplink/downlink in the lab
<nikolar>
yeah it's sick
<zid`>
a lot of the units he gets hold of are engineering samples, that didn't work in the 60s either
<geist>
he has so much patience it's ridiculous
<nikolar>
they simulated a moon landing and plugged an actual agc into the simulation
<zid`>
they would pot and test-fly them first before using them
<nikolar>
to control the simulated lander
<zid`>
some of it failed pre-potting, some of it failed post-potting
<zid`>
but once it's potted and given a shakedown, there isn't a HUGE amount to go wrong, at least before it starts to age
<zid`>
Like, other than ancient capacitors, most of my not-built-like-that electronics still work
<geist>
one of my cow-orkers at work (eric schlaepfer) works with him a lot and they both have a similar drive to fix stuff like that
<geist>
as a testamont to erics patience, he build the Monster 6502
<zid`>
Dear Mr. Schlaepfer, how long have you been a cow? From, geist.
<nikolar>
nice
<geist>
gosh i'd love to buy one of those, but i think he said it's really not commercializable. too hard to manufacture
<zid`>
jwst has 65GB of cache for measurements, nikolar
<zid`>
notbad
<nikolar>
i think it was some really early flash stuff
<nikolar>
like ssd type flash
<zid`>
and it uses a packet bus internally
<zid`>
that can handle 48Mbit
<nikolar>
kek got to love the 90s tech
<zid`>
about 2 seconds per 2048x2048 frame
<geist>
speaking of i think i need to re-cap the SE/30 i got yesterday
<nikolar>
probably a good idea
<nikolar>
zid`: where are you getting that info
<geist>
it works, but the speaker is super faint, which is apparetly one of the many signs of a dying set of caps
<zid`>
nikolar: their website
<nikolar>
i tried looking for details when the thing was launched but i couldn't find much
<zid`>
there's a user manual for scientists
<nikolar>
oh cute
<geist>
the SE/30 just predates the terrible caps of the 90s (1989) though this was i think mfged in 91
<zid`>
so you can tell if your project will work out, they've got like "yea this sensor and this sensor can't be turned on at the same time because of bandwidth limits" etc
<zid`>
"if you need more than 5 of these sensors you will need to time-multiplex"
<nikolar>
kek
<geist>
also hilariously there's a freebie book called The Dead Mac Scrolls that has tons of repair stuff in it
<nikolar>
the initial mirror calibration process is fascinating
<nikolar>
*main mirror
<zid`>
mirorrrssss
<nikolar>
geist: oh that's nice
<geist>
fuckin mirrors, how do they work?
<zid`>
I assume they do a cute little wiggle, like when a dslr's autofocus is hunting
<geist>
Richard Feynman save us!
<nikolar>
zid`: just wiggle each segment and see how the star moves in the field of view kek
<zid`>
I wanna watch the POST
<nikolar>
you can dig up the animation somewhere
<zid`>
yea but I wanna see it, get me a telescope to point at jwst
<zid`>
then clear jwst's cmos
<zid`>
so it has to re-train the mirrors
<nikolar>
i have a telescope
<nikolar>
but it can't resolve jwst :(
<zid`>
serbian space program can handle all that surely
<zid`>
just apply for a grant
<nikolar>
lol americans can't handle repairing the hubble
<nikolar>
which is leo
<zid`>
hubble has glasses beacuse they made it wrong, is my favourite hubble thing
<nikolar>
yes
<zid`>
ground the mirror to the wrong shapelol
<nikolar>
and it's been upgraded to use... 486 based pcs
<zid`>
You can buy rad hardened 486s yea
<nikolar>
i forgor what the main cpus were prior to that
<zid`>
but intel doesn't licence new cores or do any work on stuff like that anymore
<zid`>
so it's now.. ppc's job
<nikolar>
i think 486 is up for grabs nowadays
<geist>
somewhere along the line LEON was kinda popular on space stuff
<nikolar>
you can make your own
<nikolar>
but i guess no one bothers
<zid`>
yea but we're after a replacement
<geist>
i think it was commisioned by the ESA
<zid`>
so we'd want a rad hardened ppro
<nikolar>
it might still be a big thing in the esa programs
<nikolar>
i know basically nothing about their computers
<nikolar>
zid`: kek
<zid`>
I bet if you look up various cubesats
<zid`>
you'll find some part they all use
<zid`>
I'd guess arm or ppc still
<nikolar>
just get a 6502 to run your cubesat, duh
<zid`>
custom tapeout of arm on lead substrate or whatever :P
<nikolar>
kek
<zid`>
they made 1000 and sold them to every single cubesat maker
<nikolar>
lol sounds likely
<zid`>
PIC32MZ
<zid`>
lol
<zid`>
There's a cortex M7 too
<nikolar>
how much apiece
<zid`>
call us for a quote, I imagine
<nikolar>
presumably
<zid`>
The cortex people are in sofia
<zid`>
you could walk over and ask
<heat>
geist: also windows thinks 240.0.0.0 is a fake IP that doesn't work and shouldn't work
<nikolar>
zid`: sure, it would take me a couple of weeks though
<heat>
so you fail right there for the vast majority of desktop machines
<nikolar>
heat: well, it is reserved, no
<zid`>
well it'd take me longer and I'd also drown
<geist>
heat: yeah harder to take back something that was reserved-do-not-route
<zid`>
TRANSMIT FAILEd. GENERAL FAILURE.
<nikolar>
apparently, google thinks it takes 96 hours of walking
<zid`>
C:\Users\zid>ping 0xF0000000
<zid`>
Pinging 240.0.0.0 with 32 bytes of data:
<zid`>
PING: transmit failed. General failure.
<nikolar>
kek
<heat>
nikolar: linux actively tries to route and send packets to 240.0.0.0/4
<nikolar>
huh
<zid`>
seems slower to have an if() to make it not work
<zid`>
so linux doesn't
<geist>
it's probalby not officially do-not-route anymore, but just in practice canbe used
<geist>
though i guess youc ould try to use it as a NAT address range or so
<geist>
though you're playing with fire there
<geist>
but fire is fun
<zid`>
I use the HMRC blackholed block
<geist>
172.15 is where all the cool kids play
<nikolar>
geist: well if you're already doing nat, there are plenty of more firendly address ranges right
<nikolar>
kek
<geist>
it's like the goth kids hanging out around the side of the building
<zid`>
us and uk military etc have a bunch of /8s that they just treat as a private LAN
<geist>
when i worked for apple int he 2000s they still hella owned the 17/8 space, and it was wild that your desktop just had a straight ass ip on the network
<zid`>
(and apple has an /8, and.. mercedes-benz, afaik)
<geist>
firewalled yeah, but not translated
<heat>
i think they were able to recover other non-routeable IP addresses slowly over time
<heat>
including .0
<zid`>
yea I think our tax department (hmrc) gave back its /8
<geist>
says they still own it but is govered by ARIN or so, so presumably they gave up some control
<zid`>
wait it was DWP
<zid`>
our *pension* office
<zid`>
It had an /8
<zid`>
51/8
<heat>
yeah i was checking earlier
<zid`>
amazon has a /20 there now
<heat>
for corps's /8 IP ranges
<geist>
my home ipv6 stuff i'm just using non translated SLAAC based stuff, which is also wild to see the address just straight on the interwebs
<heat>
and cross-checking with their websites
<geist>
OTOH being ipv6, the devices constantly reroll their /64 suffix so it's not that big of a deal
<heat>
army.mil (and others) have lame IP addresses that are super unrelated to the /8 blocks
<zid`>
most of germany uses 6in4
<heat>
apple is still under 17/8
<zid`>
err 4in6, beacuse they ran out of IPs twenty years ago
<zid`>
I have a /48 ipv6 assigned to me from he.net
<geist>
FWIW my firewall says that about 50% of my traffic ends up going over ipv6, so it's at least working in the sense that a sizable number of stuff out there has working v6
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<zid`>
which I use to have zid.lain.ch as my host on irc :P
<chibill>
AMPRNet was 44/8 although they group managing it sold off some of them range in 2019
<heat>
geist: websites are IPV6-first now
<geist>
yah i have my firewall grab a /60 via DHCP6 and then assigns the 16 to various internal vlans
<zid`>
phones made it mandatory
<heat>
except github
<nikolar>
you guys get ipv6 addresses?
<zid`>
phones don't get ipv4 addresses
<geist>
in the US it very very much depends on the ISP
<heat>
github is like the only web service I know that does not support IPv6
<geist>
and for all shitty Xfinity cable modems are, they're very pro ipv6
<zid`>
github doesn't do ipv6? lol
<geist>
xfinity == comcast
<zid`>
I remember using ipv6.google.com as my homepage back IN THE DAY
<geist>
which is one of the big mega monopolies around the US
<zid`>
comcast presumably has a lot of customers and apple has all the IPs not them though :P
<chibill>
I am still IPv4 here because I haven't found a router that has any sort of built in access control for inbound connections (Like non commercial ones) since I don't want my thermostat, 3d print and literally everything fully exposed to the internet
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<zid`>
The UK has IPs for days so we can still just throw ipv4 around a bit
<chibill>
hm, any suggestions for firewalls for protecting my LAN from connections from the WAN / Internet when I do decide to enable IPv6?
<zid`>
iptables
<zid`>
-j DROP -I INPUT
<zid`>
there you go, no inbound connections
<heat>
does your router not have its own firewall?
<chibill>
Not for IPv6
<zid`>
my routers all use.. iptables
<heat>
... wat
<zid`>
and I've not seen a single-stack ip stack in 30 years
<chibill>
Archer C7 when you enable IPv6 just lets all assigned IPv6 devices in the network be accessable from their address full
<chibill>
Technically for IPv4 it doesn't even have a firewall just the NAT
<zid`>
dd-wrt supports it
<chibill>
Apparently it was originally blocking all inbound but some people complained and they made it just allow all inbound instead of making any sort of firewall config :/
<zid`>
The problem tends to be that the webguis tend to suck
<zid`>
and don't tend to allow things
<chibill>
And also its TP Link, which just sort of suck anyways normally
<nikolar>
or are intentionally locked down by your isp
<zid`>
dd-wrt resolves that problem nicely
<nikolar>
because you can't be trusted
<zid`>
I'm on docsis so my isp are very "You can't be trusted"
<zid`>
because we had rampant modem cloning etc before ;P
<chibill>
Also got a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 R7000 sitting around that I want to try setting up with dd-wrt eventually.
<geist>
heh i remember like 15 years ago freenode kept k-lining my linode box when i came in from ipv6, which was a bit new(er) for freenode at the time
<zid`>
They give me a shitty hub I *have* to use that is just a docsis to ethernet bridge, you can use it as a router if you *want* but you're better off putting it into 'modem mode' that makes it a bridge instead
<geist>
someone would like block an entire /24 of ipv6 or something when klining someone
<geist>
happened a lot until i guess folks got educated
<nikolar>
zid`: yeah, i'd like to do that kind of thing too
<nikolar>
but, don't tell anyone, we're sharing our internet connection with our neighbours
<zid`>
kek
<nikolar>
and they have the router kek
<zid`>
is your electricity coming from a street light too
<zid`>
water meter has a magnet on the side
<chibill>
Also I own my modem and router lol. Didn't want Xfinitys box
<zid`>
US has that insane anti-consumer router rental crap right?
<chibill>
no?
<zid`>
I mean, it does, it wasn't really a question
<chibill>
Xfinity just locks their shit down to much.
<geist>
chibill: yeah i'm torn about it, i basically use their box but in pure modem mode, and that's not free, but i think the idea is if there's ever a problem and it's my box they'll just wash their hands of it
<zid`>
Any equipment is on the ISP here, same for the TV boxes too. They want them back at the end of the contract, but if it explodes they mail you a new one.
<geist>
so i figure the $15/mo to rent their box is basically insurance
<geist>
and it's entirely outside my firewall
<geist>
so whatever backdoors it has i dont worry as much
<zid`>
I've lived out several fleet retirements which is funny
<zid`>
they keep sending me new routers
<geist>
hah same, i actually swapped my modem recently for exactly that reason
<zid`>
because they no longer have anyone who even knows what the hell my gear is
<geist>
nothing new except hypothetically it does wifi7 but i dont use that part of it anyway
<zid`>
Like, my gear wasn't even branded the same as my ISP's name, by two names
<chibill>
I have got a motorola modem and the tplink router
<nikolar>
i can't even get down speed of 300+mbps on my laptop over wifi
<nikolar>
i think my router just sucks
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<nikolar>
i can get up speeds of 500+ for some reason though
<geist>
also there's some silly thing with xfinity where i can get basically unlimited data but only if i rent their box
<geist>
presumably so they can throttle me if i go substantially over my free tier?
<chibill>
Also got a tplink Gigabit switch I got for $5 at a thift store.
<geist>
dunno, i haven't hit it yet, since i usually move about 2TB/mo
<zid`>
They gave me the 'new' modem and it sucked so much shit I spent hours trying to see if they'd give me the next-oldest modem instead, even asked passing engineers if they had any in their van lol
<nikolar>
kek
<nikolar>
did it work
<zid`>
no :(
<zid`>
A few firmware updates later it wasn't *terrible* but it still sucks
<nikolar>
kek
<chibill>
I rarely come close to the 1.2 or what ever TB limit I have
<geist>
i do remember comcast installation engineer years ago in california when they were installing the cable modem, but i didn't pay for cable tv
<zid`>
nikolar: I can do a gigabit easy, I know this, because in like 2018, they had an outage in the accounts dept. and when I reconnected after a power-blip it sent me a generic config file instead of my account's
<geist>
he was like quite literally 'oh no i think i accidentally forgot to install this filter, darn!'
<geist>
and handed it to me
<zid`>
and the generic one was "eh do whatever"
<geist>
free cable tv. he was a cool dude
<zid`>
so instead of 50Mbps I had 800Mbps for about 6 months until I next had a power-blip
<nikolar>
kek
<nikolar>
rip
<zid`>
I am up to.. 400Mbps now, just from the free upgrade cycle
<nikolar>
i assume you downloaded all the legal matieral you could in that tiem frame
<chibill>
I pay for 500 mbps and get around 540
<chibill>
Only supposed to have 30 mbps upload but get around 35
<geist>
for some reason i get somewhat more than my 1300mbit down based on time of day, i've seen it go up to 1600 or so, dunno if that's a mis-configuration somewhere, hidden compression somewhere, or just a freebie
<zid`>
geist: over-subscription ratio
<zid`>
plus yea.. slightly wonky config
<geist>
yah i just assumed they'd hard cap you. honestly i don tneed tha tmuch bandwidth but i can only get the unlimited data tier, which i absolutely need for working at home, if i pay for the upper tier and rent the modem
<geist>
so they have me over a barrel
<chibill>
They also love to try and say my modem can only give me 200 mpbs telling me to upgrade it when I am actively getting alot more.
<zid`>
I'm hard capped in that it only supports so many channels at once
<zid`>
better config files just give me more channels
<zid`>
not sure what the hw is actually rated to
<geist>
yah docsis 3.1 can go pretty high
<geist>
oh it's up to 4 now
<zid`>
"So, I've had a SH3 for a week now, and if it wasn't for the fact I don't own it I would have launched it through a window some days ago."
<zid`>
agreed random commenter from the past, agreed
<geist>
and honestly i do need the bandwidth now. our build system stff at work relies so much on downloading pre-built stuff off the net, just a single build of the OS can easily pull down 20-30GB and is entirely bandwidth capped
<nikolar>
my condolences
<zid`>
Time to bond two together
<geist>
really frustrating since we end up relying on it so much if that service goes down, or if you're building it as an open source person would, it is awful
<geist>
and that's just The Google WAy
<geist>
OTOH at least it's not android. android is up to like 500GB+ for just syncing the source tree nowadays
<nikolar>
oh wow
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<zid`>
btw, dd-wrt works on an XAC1900, how do I know this? Because I blindly installed it even though it wasn't supported :P
<geist>
yah a build of android on even a very high end workstation is really slow
<zid`>
(it was just an AC1900 but with a dsl modem that I didn't need to use, so the dsl part didn't work but I didn't care)
<nikolar>
you need a build farm for that bloody thing
<nikolar>
android is getting more and more closed down anyway
<nikolar>
zid`: kek
<geist>
100% but you see that's the google way. we build build farms in our sleep, so eventually all large google projects turn into an infrastructure project to host it
<geist>
which is fine, except now you totally depend on it
<geist>
and you depend on the bandwidth
<geist>
which at least if you're at the office or using a virtual server (which is what they're pushing everyone towards) you have plenty of it
<geist>
but if you WFH... well
<nikolar>
sucks to suck i guess
<geist>
anyway enough work. time to do stuff!
<nikolar>
like what
<nikolar>
fix your se30?
<geist>
heh yeah Real Important Stuff
<geist>
also see about maybe finally dragging a cable through the attic
<nikolar>
what for
<chibill>
Meanwhile I drag ethernet thru my basement since thats where my server, brother's server, modem, router, switch and two old laptops live. (Its alot cooler down there)
<nikolar>
nice
<nikolar>
at least you have a basement to stuff your hardware in
<zid`>
I wish I ahd a basement
<nikolar>
yea
<zid`>
Maybe I should do a furze
<zid`>
he lives a few miles from me
<nikolar>
a what
<geist>
nikolar: it's complicated. i need to get etherhet from one room to the other. it's on the second floor and there's actually an attic space 'behind' the rooms
<zid`>
a furze
<geist>
so i should be able to punch through the wall and go between two rooms
<nikolar>
zid`: what that
<nikolar>
geist: well good luck heh
<zid`>
I'll link you it on discord too lazy to rehost on imgur
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<chibill>
My server just sits at about 77f most of the time, running nginx, 5 web servers that are different project in python, a minecraft server and also a time server syncing off a gps with pps suppport. (And an SDR grabbing my weather stations signal)
<nikolar>
to be honest, if i had a basement i could put a racn in
<nikolar>
*rack
<nikolar>
i'd probably have already boot a sparc server
<nikolar>
maybe even an itanium
<nikolar>
for shits and giggles lol
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<chibill>
All my stuff lives on some metal shelfing, since its all desktops and laptops basically.
<nikolar>
my "server" is just a pc
<chibill>
same
<nikolar>
sitting next to my normal pc desk
<nikolar>
lel
<chibill>
Just a ATX board with an i7-8086K and 64 GB of Ram
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<chibill>
And 12 TB of total storage between like 5 drives
<nikolar>
nice
<nikolar>
i have 4, but -1 for raid
<zid`>
(Nikolar how much is 77?)
<nikolar>
it's 44+33
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<zid`>
25, okay, that's bloody sub-ambient
<zid`>
stupid british summer
<zid`>
8086k is a cool cpu I vaguely wanted one, at a time when intel were other pumping out utter trash
<nikolar>
lol did you ask about the temperature
<zid`>
yes
<nikolar>
well maybe you should've mentioned that kek
<zid`>
I mean.. what other 77 could I be talking about..