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<ifreund> make sure you have fonts installed
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<ifreund> Did some organization on the issue tracker to hopefully make it easier to keep track of what still needs doing before merging rwm
<ifreund> And also create dedicated spaces to discuss more long term issues
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<LarstiQ> pkap: "It's unintuitive anyway." that's a highly personal opinion, what could be more intuitive than the focus being where the cursor is ;P
<ifreund> the keyboard focus not changing when I don't touch my keyboard :P
<ifreund> Though I don't mind clicking on a window to give keyboard focus I guess
<ifreund> I definitely want to be able to scroll one window with the pointer while typing in a different one though
<LarstiQ> do you do that with a scrollwheel?
<LarstiQ> I wonder how much me not using a mouse for uh the last 10? years impacts my preferences
<pkap> LarsiQ: I use the scrollwhel like that, scrolling up and down in firefox without loosing keyboard focus in my terminal/editor.
<pkap> I agree unintuitive is personal :D. Maybe more what I'm used to.
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<LarstiQ> yup. Maybe also about what you want to optimize. I need to type into different windows a fair amount and clicking is much more cumbersome than just swiping my touchpad
<ifreund> I use a trackball now
<leon-p> trackballs and trackpads are the only pointing devices I like using
<Nickli> trackpoints are great for the sites that refuse to work with qutebrowser hints
<leon-p> trackpoints are neat for scrolling, but otherwise I find them annoying
<leon-p> I love trackpads because of gestures, which I should ake more use of
<leon-p> ifreund: I wonder if it makes sense to close the rwm PR and just keep it as a feature branch, since there shouldn't be any interaction with the PR from now on
<Nickli> i'd tolerate them if the werent half the size of a laptops keyboard
<ifreund> leon-p: I thought about that but decided it was better visibility to keep it open with the new signpost
<leon-p> fair
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<leon-p> the thing that holds trackpads back the most is that they are almost exclusively for laptops. I'd prefer an external one to the side of the keyboard, where my trackball currently lives
<leon-p> but as far as I know, only apple produces ones which are big and flat enough to be usable, but they are battery powered bluetooth devices, which I'd rather avoid
<ifreund> Haven't tried, but I quite like their "Adept" trackball
<ifreund> kinda pricy for the kit though, but 100% open source/open hardware
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<leon-p> neat, I'll need to try that
<leon-p> I currently have a kensignton trackball and am reasonably happy with it
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<leon-p> I wonder if I can get my institute to buy me one of those, given they have also bought me a decent keyboard...
<ifreund> definitely worth a try :D
<ifreund> note also that they only ship from canada so there's a Zollgebühr on top
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<zuki> hello
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<leon-p> that would be fine, the real hurdle is that the MPI has contracts with a few contributors and you need to put in extra effort when you want to get something from a different supplier
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<leon-p> Hmm, I think I would like a way to make a window translucent in rwm
<Nickli> blur would be nice too
<leon-p> blur is out of scope for rwm, since the WM does not need to be involved in that at all
<ifreund> hah, yeah we can finally bring back the pre 0.1.0 opacity thing I guess
<leon-p> I have no real use case yet, but I wanted to try making windows transparent while they are being resized / moved by pointer
<Nickli> its annoying when you have a scratchpad on top another terminal, then both layers of text will intermingle with eachother
<leon-p> that's why there won't be any transparency while all windows are static :)
<Nickli> but my scratchpad is...
<ifreund> if the wlroots renderer and scene graph add support I'd be fine adding a blur extension to rwm
<leon-p> ah, you were talking about blue
<leon-p> arguably rwm wouldn't need it because windows would indicate themselves that they want blur, no?
<ifreund> well, the user might want to blur windows that don't want blur? I dunnon
<ifreund> maybe it doesn't make sense, not something I want personally
<leon-p> let's wait until this is in wlroots and until we have a way to set a windows transparency from rwm, I guess 🤷
<Nickli> afaik most terminal emulators doesnt have a blur (background) setting
<leon-p> Nickli: of course, because that setting would be a no-op since that isn't a thing on wayland yet
<leon-p> but if that protocol gets merged, then they can have one
<Nickli> i see
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