<farkuhar>
zorz_: According to the git log, lynx was initially imported to contrib in 2006 by Mark Rosenstand, with commit 90f2dfcf43878e7d9a6276a93d21671b2e9b2dd0
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<farkuhar>
The core team doesn't even bother to respond when a longtime user raises concerns about a fix they just pushed. Why do they bother to advertise IRC as a legitimate channel for user feedback?
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I was thinking about that in the shower today. I was recalling another user stepping in and telling me that I had no excuse to not use gitea and age is not an excuse.
<farkuhar>
It used to be they were too elite to hang out in #crux. Now you don't see too many of them in #crux-devel either.
<SiFuh_>
But I was thinking, so we all know #crux is not a channel for gossip and now not a channel for fixes. So what is it.....? Then a thought popped into my mind. For installation and compilation help.
<SiFuh_>
Basically it has become a whore house advertising the product to get customers.
<farkuhar>
If they aren't actively engaging with their userbase through IRC, then they ought to drop those links from the website. Heck, they might as well retire the channel, or assign operator status to people who actually do engage using such "old-school" technologies.
<SiFuh_>
They have become the elite class. The plebs are just noise now. Scum, worth kicking around
<SiFuh_>
They get the jollies over new users but have no interest in them. Kind of self satisfying pride. It's pretty sickening
<dlcusa>
Well, at least it's a counter-productive approach to increasing CRUX mindshare.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I see the death of the distro. It either has to mutate into something new, or die.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: dlcusa: Another one I was thinking of today. This distro isn't based on CRUX. It is a CRUX detour distro. It follows the original foundations and core belief of CRUX. However, CRUX is a fork of CRUX and is no longer based off of CRUX but is/was inspired by CRUX"
<SiFuh_>
That's if we made a new CRUX distro.
<SiFuh_>
So our CRUX distro would still be real, and the olutmies version would be a fork -> inspired by -> was inspired by.
<SiFuh_>
They just stole the name. But the way everyone pronounces CRUX sound horrible anyway. So I don't care about the name.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: I share your disappointment with how jue handled the rc issue. You can see from the join/leave timestamps that he must have had a private consultation with other core team members, and somehow got persuaded that a minimal tweaking of the original rc abomination was okay to foist onto users.
<dlcusa>
That's why I thought forking from frinnst's last or earlier was indicated.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I see things differently. And yes, as I said before that jue edit was the laziest, slap in the face from what I had seen
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: There is nothing wrong with our team of guys modified rc. It's way better and pleases everyone. But nope.... I will just fix printf and leave it a fucking trash filled spam bucket. That will shut everyone up... jue response
<SiFuh_>
And linux-pam pissed off a lot of users too but that was to with jaeger and he took a vote between beerman and jue and Romster and himself to push that. I think frinnst was involved in that vote.
<SiFuh_>
And then this dumb_runtime_dir, the rc.fix... these were all trash X display shit that no server version of CRUX wants
<SiFuh_>
Why couldn't rc.fix be included in Xorg scripts? Why it has to be in rc?
<farkuhar>
It's fruitless to speculate about the interactions that are happening behind the scenes, invisible to the CRUX userbase. But I can't help wondering why jue hasn't found the backbone to stand up for Per's principles on any of these issues.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I can't understand why jaeger hasn't. He knew Per. He knew what Per wanted.
<dlcusa>
I don't think speculation about motivations really matters. What does matter is an alternative to what CRUX has become.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: It is why I call olutmies the dark overlord of CRUX. He seems to have them under mind control or some shit.
<farkuhar>
Heh, after reading his reply to stenur, you implied his mind was under the control of an earlier injection. Does that make the vaccine the ultimate overlord of CRUX now?
<SiFuh_>
I am still waiting for a decent name for the distro.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: It's be proven in scientific papers that it effects the emotions and thinking of people but disrupting the pineal gland.
<SiFuh_>
But proven in scientific papers doesn't mean shit these day. It's bullshit now
<dlcusa>
But being disassociated from what CRUX has become is crucial (the adjective of crux, and maybe the new name.)
<dlcusa>
s/ is / /
<SiFuh_>
I like Dr Bishops response when the FBI guy was asking him "You don't seriously think that the big foot exists right?" To which he replied "Just because it hasn't been proven, doesn't mean it doesn't exist"
<farkuhar>
serpente still doesn't like Outlaw Linux?
<SiFuh_>
He says he doesn't but never really gave a good reason.
<SiFuh_>
The one I am building now is called "Outlaw Linux" but it isn't permanent
<SiFuh_>
I don't plan on building an ISO either. Just bootstrap archives that can be extracted on a partition and configured. Too lazy to go full month in iso9660
<SiFuh_>
month/monty*
<SiFuh_>
And besides, I need a human dictionary to modify my error messages so they don't look so boring. Hahaha
<dlcusa>
Crucial CRUX does have a nice ring to it and definitely highlights the distinction.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I like that one.
<SiFuh_>
Speaking of CR from CRUX. I had a thought a while got. The CRUX of CRUX
<SiFuh_>
got/ago
<dlcusa>
Nice as well.
<SiFuh_>
Thought it would be too long, but there is no law against it
<SiFuh_>
But it does make sense
<farkuhar>
Crucify Linux doesn't enjoy the same ambiguity as Outlaw Linux, because outlaw can be both a noun and a verb, but crucify is only a verb.
<farkuhar>
Crucifixion Linux - we sacrifice our egos to serve the users, not the other way around.
<SiFuh_>
How about finding a good synonym for CRUX or the pure essence? So <pure essence> CRUX ?
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Some of are kind of Christian in a way, so these will never happen.
<SiFuh_>
Hahaha that last one kind of made me laugh
<dlcusa>
There's no avoiding the cross with the word.
<SiFuh_>
Southern CRUX ;-)
<farkuhar>
One of my favorite songs by Crosby Stills and Nash, actually.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Actually I do remember a Filippino using CRUX he thought it was a religious distro.
<SiFuh_>
He actually worked with use for about 5 years.
<dlcusa>
Yes, crux = cross in many vocabularies worldwide.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Only one I remember from them is Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young - Our House but that was because it was played on Tripple M every couple of days.