10:39 <SiFuh> ukky: I mentioned to the wife your "AI Comments" thing. She said "But you don't use AI. You hate it" I said "But how do you know I didn't secretly ask it to do it for me?" She said "I'd know, because I would hear you screaming and yelling and cursing it" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

12:25 <remiliascarlet> SiFuh: I don't think you can easily turn a GPL license into BSD, on paper at least. When the AI craze started, we've seen you can just do so in practice.

12:26 <remiliascarlet> Also, I think I'd prefer more of a governance style as seen in OpenBSD; Theo de Raadt has the final say, so if he says no, then it's a no.

12:27 <remiliascarlet> SiFuh: Well, good thing that patents in China are considered useless.

12:40 <SiFuh> remiliascarlet: It is mine, so it can't be GPL

12:43 <remiliascarlet> SiFuh: Oh, I thought you meant the entire distro.

12:44 <remiliascarlet> So Linux kernel, coreutils, and all.

12:46 <SiFuh> remiliascarlet: Just my binary rc

12:48 <farkuhar> Hmm, hotplugd lets you send HUP to a running daemon when a particular class of devices is plugged into the USB port. https://dpaste.com/FQTJC4DSX.txt

12:49 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Yes, when I unplug the bluetooth it switches to speakers. When I plug in the bluetooth, it switches back to bluetooth again.

12:50 <farkuhar> There's probably a direct equivalent in terms of udev rules. But the rule I'm using simply runs `sed -i` on the file /var/lib/sndio/server.default, and any program that sources that file on startup can see the new value of environment variable AUDIODEVICE.

12:52 <farkuhar> Restarting the program to re-read the file that sets an environment variable is probably more disruptive than restarting the daemon itself. Maybe I should switch to a udev rule that restarts the daemon instead.

12:54 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Probably easier if you switch to OpenBSD

12:56 <farkuhar> SiFuh: If I wipe out my CRUX installation to make space for OpenBSD, how would I ever fix the interaction between gimp and poppler-ink (ppetrov^s #38)? In a virtual machine?

12:59 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Video call ppetrov^ and hurl abuse at him

13:00 <SiFuh> farkuhar: If I decide to not use colour at all. I might change the printf to puts and fputs

13:02 <farkuhar> SiFuh: hurling abuse at ppetrov^ won't fix a problematic interaction between ports in the official repos.

13:03 <SiFuh> farkuhar: No that's what happens when you try to explain to people what to do over a video call. You end up abusing them for not listening and wasting your time.

13:05 <farkuhar> SiFuh: Are you speaking from past experience video calling zorz?

13:05 <SiFuh> Hehe

13:07 <SiFuh> printf("%s\n", "Entering multi-user mode..."); puts("Entering multi-user mode...");

13:14 <farkuhar> One of the selling points of SourceHut is that downstream users can use an email-based workflow to propose improvements, no need to register an account. I wonder whether olutmies seriously considered the downsides of Gitea when setting up the git.crux.nu frontend.

13:19 <farkuhar> It would be weird for the Outlaw or Crucial project to register a domain name completely different from the name that's eventually chosen for the distro. But there's a precedent for that: cat-v.org is a semi-official site for information on Plan9. In a similar way, rc-printf.org can be a semi-official site for Outlaw or Crucial.

13:21 <farkuhar> In both cases, the domain name would reflect a design decision that the new OS wanted to distance itself from.

13:23 <SiFuh> Alien

13:23 <SiFuh> emmett1 and I were talking about that today

13:24 <SiFuh> Alien Linux. I said change the e to a 3 like you do with Krak3n

13:25 <farkuhar> Isn't there an AlienBob in the Slackware world?

13:25 <SiFuh> Aliən

13:27 <SiFuh> CRUX Origin

13:30 <farkuhar> Heh, that reminds me of the truncated spelling aliasOrignalName in pkgdb.cpp, as if jw couldn't be bothered to spell out all the letters.

13:30 <SiFuh> FarkUcrux

13:31 <SiFuh> farkuhar: emmett says he doesn't particulary like the name Cruxial or crucial, but I think he doesn't want CRUX anywhere near the name anyway.

13:34 <SiFuh> Although he said the name CRUX is perfect

13:34 <farkuhar> Speaking of aliases, I wonder if there's any demand for this feature: `prt-get dependent --recursive $foo` would inspect /etc/prt-get.aliases to see if anything in the reverse-dependency tree is serving as an alias to the actually-listed dependency, and run the reverse lookup using the actually-listed dependency instead (rust instead of rust-bin, for example).

13:35 <SiFuh> I don't have $foo installed

13:35 <farkuhar> Hahaha

13:36 <farkuhar> I agree with emmett1, the name CRUX is fine. Why should olutmies & company get to retain ownership of that name, if they're the ones who are deviating from Per's vision?

13:37 <SiFuh> "Then either you kick beerman then take over CRUX or create a distro with different name and identity" emmett Hehehe

13:40 <SiFuh> Crotch ;-)

13:40 <SiFuh> Hahaha

13:42 <SiFuh> Crusader

13:43 <SiFuh> Exeo

13:44 <farkuhar> bartender: "Anyone seen Mike Rotch lately?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP2VyJWkWpE

13:45 <SiFuh> Crucem exeō

13:45 <SiFuh> Ex cruce exeō

13:49 <SiFuh> Crux Relicta, Veterem Sequimur

13:49 <SiFuh> Crux Primordium

13:49 <SiFuh> Crux Lidénsis

13:50 <SiFuh> Verē Crux

14:42 <SiFuh> /usr/local/ Tertiary hierarchy for local data, specific to this host. Typically has further subdirectories

14:42 <SiFuh> That's contrib!

14:42 <SiFuh> Hence the reason it is commented out in prt-get.conf and disabled. I don't have any contrib ports installed here.

15:28 <farkuhar> SiFuh: lucky you, not having any contrib ports installed. Meanwhile olutmies has assigned me the task of figuring out why contrib/gimp does not play nicely with contrib/poppler-ink.

15:29 <SiFuh> You using the right version?

15:30 <SiFuh> libpoppler-glib 0.69.0 poppler-data 0.4.9

15:30 <farkuhar> I didn't blindly copy the contents of /etc from a 3.7 installation to 3.8, if that's what you had in mind.

15:35 <farkuhar> poppler-data is version 0.4.12, and poppler itself will optionally be built against glib (if gobject-introspection is found).

15:35 <SiFuh> farkuhar: Well the INSTALL files says what versions to compile against

15:37 <SiFuh> And since GIMP now hard codes poppler in, it would probably mean it is more difficult to upgrade versions of poppler

15:38 <SiFuh> So unless you want to resort to something that could possibly involve heavy patching, you may have no choice but to downgrade to the appropriate version

15:39 <farkuhar> I have to trust the reports of ppetrov^ and olutmies (that removing poppler-ink is sufficient to fix the gimp build), because so far I cannot even get a successful build when poppler-ink is not installed. I keep hitting the "illegal variable name" error when generating gimp-splash.png

15:43 <farkuhar> It's the same error regardless of whether poppler-ink is installed, which led me to question whether ppetrov^s initial assessment was accurate. So I might follow up on that hunch, and edit the gimp-3.0.2/data/environ/meson.build to remove the offending BIN_PATH directive.

18:39 <farkuhar> It would be presumptive of me to close #38 as a non-issue, now that I've gotten successful builds of gimp 3.0.2 both with and without poppler-ink present. Keep in mind, my test platform is CRUX-MUSL 3.8, and presumably ppetrov^ and olutmies discovered the harmful interaction on CRUX-glibc 3.8

18:43 <farkuhar> So if someone still running CRUX-glibc can try building gimp with poppler-ink present, it would help to hear from you before I report my conclusions in the #38 discussion. Tentative finding: poppler-ink is not detrimental to the build, and the "illegal variable name" error can be avoided by turning off the splash screen target.

20:06 <farkuhar> Actually using the compiled gimp is a different matter. Now when I try to run it, gtk complains that "Icon 'image-missing' not present in theme Default". I might need to edit a dotfile somewhere to set the correct gtk theme.