<InPhase>
kintel: You know, cyanide supposedly also smells like almonds.
<InPhase>
kintel: Some of the "Hey, we can make sanitizer too" places that sprung up during Covid were making some really below-par stuff. I ended up with a large bottle of sanitizer from that time with a most foul odor. If you used it, it would take quite a while to wash the stench off of your hands. It would not just come off with soap and water.
<kintel>
heh, what's worse cyanide poisoning or covid : /
<kintel>
Back in 2020, I guess a bunch of people would go with the cyanide..
<InPhase>
I think there are not many sufferers of long cyanide.
<kintel>
Here is something I think (hope?) LLMs might eventually become good at, given sufficient tooling: Validate that some human GUI workflow pans out after fixing a UI issue.
<kintel>
..but first needs the ability to run and execute GUI programs, watch the screen and control the mouse on some sandboxed machine.
<InPhase>
Yes. I've seen some videos and early frameworks of agentic GUI testing.
<kintel>
yup, but the token cost.. Not sure I want to think about that
<InPhase>
I sure thought of OpenSCAD while watching them. But I don't think I raised the topic here, as they were obviously not ready.
<kintel>
But soon everyone need to pay $1K per month for the good AI anyway : /
<InPhase>
And yes, it's probably expensive. But you wouldn't necessarily have to run it all the time like regular testing.
<kintel>
Speaking of LLM: The PR above was 100% done by Cursor. I just needed to click the Open PR button
<kintel>
..so it's getting better. It did get it wrong the first time around though, because it never tries to second-guess its own successes
<InPhase>
kintel: Did it fix the failing tests by deleting the tests there?
<kintel>
It deleted the code that disabled the broken tests
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<bitbasher>
dedoVerde: not sure how your id is a hint as to your work .. but you could also check out FreeCad and or AstoCAD ( a FreeCAD derivative ) .. i like them almost as much as i like OpenSCAD .. and a lot more than the very confusing Blender
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<kintel>
DedoVerde: "it's also the ideal way to generate structures to help nature thrive". This is approximately how I would put it if my goal was to grow "tomatoes" at scale ;)
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<MrTrick>
I'm customising a design I found on printables. (just changing a string)
<MrTrick>
I just now installed the latest(?) (2021.01) version to preview and render it, preview works fine but rendering is stuck at 999/1000.
<MrTrick>
Is there any way to abort the stuck renderer, or I just have to restart?
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<kintel>
Rendering is slow on 2021.01
<kintel>
Try a more recent development snapshot, but before rendering, activate the new backend
<MrTrick>
Why is the latest release so far behind?
<kintel>
No, that's a new option. We have a very small spare-time team, so development is slow
<MrTrick>
As a freecad user, I understand. :-D
<kintel>
But the nightly builds are pretty stable, they pass all 2000 tests nightly :)
<MrTrick>
and they are not the latest "version" because why?
<MrTrick>
I mean, tell me "oh but maybe it's not stable", but then I'll glare at the published version that immediately choked on its first render.
<kintel>
We need to be able to ensure backwards compatibility of created designs, it's not just a GUI tool; designs created by old versions of OpenSCAD should still work in the future, so the internal API needs to be set in stone
<kintel>
It just takes time, as we made a lot of changes.
<MrTrick>
Then a separate 'LTS' release? At least the nightlies have an installer. :-)
<MrTrick>
(FreeCAD is not quite so far along)
<sculptor>
i remember oscad warning that the feature i used would be phased out in next version
<kintel>
Yeah, we sometime need to deprecate features, and give users some lead time (5-10 years) to port off it :)
<MrTrick>
^_^ "5-10 years"
<kintel>
Every official release is an "LTS" release (modulo we don't offer professional support)
<kintel>
We just don't have the dev capacity to release LTS patches
<kintel>
..so once an LTS is our, our goal is to never have to touch it again
<MrTrick>
fair enough.
<MrTrick>
Well thank you for your advice about the version and settings.
<kintel>
Nothing is ideal, it's all set up to allow devs to be efficient when they have 1 hour free an evening here and there
<MrTrick>
...perhaps the team would save some time if they didn't have to give the same advice over and over. ;-)
<kintel>
Yeah, we could use a social media manager ;)
<kintel>
or unpaid key account manager
<MrTrick>
No I meant the "default" download option could be a new version and is set to the faster renderer by default.
<kintel>
Nah, we want people to know that it's not official, as we don't guarantee that designs you create using the nightly build will work next year
<MrTrick>
I've tried openscad only a few times before.
<MrTrick>
Each previous attempt (don't remember exactly when) the graphical program just crashed on me. So I didn't bother.
<kintel>
Crashes should be pretty rare, more rare in the latest than in the nightly I'd say..
<MrTrick>
"we don't guarantee that designs you create using the nightly build will work next year" fair, but you could move those to the top of the page and mark them as "Bleeding edge", and the older version as "Stable"
<kintel>
But the 999/1000 issue is a known performance issue
<MrTrick>
social engineering ;-)
<kintel>
Yup, we could also use a website marketing manager
<sculptor>
i experienced pn windows and 2021.01 version file menu hanging for 10-30secs
<kintel>
If you sign up, we'll make you the manager of all out off-planet operations too. It's a nice gig ;)
<sculptor>
when exporting .stl
<kintel>
Oh, we also need a Windows platform manager
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<sculptor>
im there to use oscad, not oscad to use me
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<kintel>
heh, we all started there
<kintel>
I just wanted to design a 3D printer, and blender sucked...
<MrTrick>
Tinkercad! :-P
<sculptor>
today honestly designing a 3d printer would be a waste of time
<sculptor>
unless you are targeting a niche market\
<sculptor>
cheap models have great performance. you can mod them furthers
<kintel>
yup, this was 2008 or so
<juri_>
ImplicitCAD? :)
<sculptor>
yep
<sculptor>
i thought that blender had a great scripting support
<sculptor>
never touched it hto
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<pkriens>
New here, any ptr to what the rules here are? I am Peter Kriens on the mailing list.
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<ali1234>
InPhase: remember my idea of generating a vinyl LP in openscad? now i want to do a photorealistic render of the same, using spectral raytracing so that you get accurate diffraction patterns (like a CD but weaker)