18:07 <freemangordon> sicelo: At the end of the day I decided to go with tp-glib :)

18:08 <freemangordon> however, I need https library, any recommendations? which one is better - soup or curl? or something else?

18:18 <freemangordon> Wizzup: ^^^

18:23 <sicelo> I guess soup is in the glib family, but curl might be better choice, since could possibly upgrade it easily for newer stuff/standards, which may not always be the case with soup. mostly making a guess though

18:41 <Wizzup> curl seems fine to me

18:43 <freemangordon> so, both of you recommend curl?

18:48 <Wizzup> more than I'd recommend glib :P

19:08 <freemangordon> Wizzup: I chose tp-glib because there is lots of (CM)code already using it, so I have lots of examples

19:12 <freemangordon> chatgpt recommends libsoup for its better integration with glib (and some other reasons) and I tend to agree :)

19:13 <Wizzup> freemangordon: yes, but unfortunately almost all of the -glib CMs are old and we won't have much use for most of them

19:14 <Wizzup> not ot mention that there is the matrix cm, qxmpp cm, telegram cm even

19:14 <Wizzup> those are all tpqt

19:14 <Wizzup> freemangordon: I'd pick curl any day over anything gnome, esp. when it comes to security and whatnot

19:14 <Wizzup> freemangordon: telepathy-gabble I'd like to dump as soon as possible too for example

19:18 <sicelo> yes chatgpt is correct about soup. but i don't know how up-to-date it is (for our glib versions at least)

20:06 <freemangordon> Wizzup: ok, but IIRC curl will need additional integration with glib, no?

20:06 <freemangordon> *IIUC

20:08 <bencoh> you'll want curl to integrate with glib event loop I guess, yeah

20:08 <bencoh> apparently it means using the curl_multi api

20:09 <freemangordon> well, yeah, I don't want blocking calls it tp CM

20:09 <bencoh> indded :)

20:10 <bencoh> https://curl.se/libcurl/c/libcurl-multi.html https://curl.se/libcurl/c/ghiper.html

20:12 <freemangordon> yeah, I'd better not go into that

20:12 <freemangordon> there is enough code to write

20:12 <bencoh> then libsoup it is :)

20:12 <freemangordon> mhm

20:13 <bencoh> tbf I think / vaguely recall that libcurl was originally not built with event-drivenness in mind, hence this whole multi api

20:13 <bencoh> (unlike libsoup)

20:14 <freemangordon> Wizzup: glib vs QT - I think QT CM will have bigger memory usage

20:15 <freemangordon> re libsoup - IIRC, gst is using it, so if that CM is to ever support audio/video, it will pull libsoup anyways

20:16 <bencoh> true

20:56 <sicelo> the loop part makes soup the obvious choice :-)

22:19 <inky> what is very good about maemo, is that it's not gnome or kde: these two are in constant race, they add new features, sometimes redesign a lot and break stuff always.

22:19 <inky> i was wondering why do they break so much instead of improing nd debugging the existing.

22:19 <inky> why not improve on existing?

22:19 <inky> same question i had when nokia gave up hildon and came up with harmattan screen.

22:19 <inky> so what's very good aboet this project is that number of bugs decrease, no dramatic changes happen, the existing codebase is getting more and more stable and mature.

22:24 <sicelo> (harmattan was quite nice though, if we're being honest)

22:25 <sicelo> inky: other people want new shiny toys every year :-)