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<Wizzup>
inky: btw excalibur is not released yet
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<mdz>
hello, how's the development for the N900 going?
<mdz>
are you guys cooking up some major release?
<Wizzup>
yes, the daedalus release is mostly ready, we need a news post about it mostly
<mdz>
Wizzup: what's new?
<Wizzup>
since?
<mdz>
sorry, I meant in the new release, since the last major release (2024)
<mdz>
I haven't been following the project in a while
<Wizzup>
that's what the news post will be about, it's hard to summarise all the changes on irc, but lots of telephony and messaging stability/improvements, various extras, new debian base, etc :)
<mdz>
okay, seems great
<mdz>
looking forward for the news post
<mdz>
thanks
<Wizzup>
you can already install it now, fwiw
<Wizzup>
the latest images are already daedalus based
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<arno11>
dsc_: btw still no real bugs using conversations daily (irc, tg, sms). user-friendly enough, at least for me. Media attachment/sharing is the only main missing feature imo
<Wizzup>
imo the main tg bug is that if you write a contact from tg web then in conversations the main 'contact' of the DM changes to yourself
<arno11>
Wizzup: with last conversations devel ?
<Wizzup>
I think so yeah
<Wizzup>
this is about DMs not channels
<Wizzup>
let me pull in latest just in case
<Wizzup>
I am sometimes a bit converservative on pulling in -devel on my device since it's my daily driver ;)
<arno11>
yeah :)
<mdz>
I mean...
<mdz>
I would like to use the N900 on a daily basis, but the original OS is hardly usable these days
<Wizzup>
depends on how you drive :D
<arno11>
mdz: excepting 'modern' js web, bluetooth and camera, almost everything else works
<Wizzup>
arno11: yes, seems like latest conversations already installed
<mdz>
and the last time that I've tried the Leste, even convincing the phone to unlock SIM card after the initial dialog on startup was a challenge
<Wizzup>
imo fremantle is hardly usable beyond phone call and sms these days
<Wizzup>
mdz: could be worth another try - you can just dd to an sd card and try again
<Wizzup>
arno11 is the resident n900 leste expert
<arno11>
only 'kind of'
<mdz>
Wizzup: I'm not so demanding, calls, messages and stuff like that are enough, add a usable email client and we have a deal
<mdz>
real problem is the web pages
<arno11>
mdz: web works fine but ofc with no JS
<mdz>
yes ofc...
<mdz>
but without JS I can't even access my UNIs web pages... xD
<sicelo>
i think you can just write off web from your use case if you use N900 :-)
<sicelo>
even on the Droid 4 it's getting worse each passing day
<mdz>
sicelo: sadly
<mdz>
I just miss the physical keyboards
<mdz>
are there any viable options for custom OS blackberries btw?
<sicelo>
a couple of them have been unlocked, yes, e.g. KEY2 and KEY2 LE
<mdz>
I do own a few BB KeyOnes, but last time I checked, the servers were shut down, and the S625 was doing it's best but with 4g ram these days it was pain
<mdz>
*black edition had 4gb, silver had 3
<mdz>
so the Key2 have been unlocked, yet the Key1 stayed locked?
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<Wizzup>
mdz: n900 web access is not a sw problem but more a hw problem at this point
<mdz>
yupp, that I understand
<Wizzup>
(it doesn't have the specs to render fancy websites)
<Wizzup>
we have modern browser engines on leste
<Wizzup>
jib works fine mostly, on the n900 maybe you'd want midori (or the other one, I forget the name)
<mdz>
anyways, what even happened with the Neo900 project?
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<mdz>
All I can find these days are just dead pages mentioning it
<arno11>
mdz: @web browser, dillo and last netsurf-gtk are quite fine
<sicelo>
Neo900 project was stalled, a really long time ago.
<mdz>
yes, that I know, but did the group working on it at least released any, at lease WIP files?
<sicelo>
biggest issue was obtaining components iirc. it's difficult when you're non-mainstream. PP and Librem5 managed to pull it off because they're also doing a lot of other things, which adds up in terms of component purchases. However even with that advantage, both products have flaws of their own
<sicelo>
mdz: yes basically everything can be found on the Neo900 site
<mdz>
was there at lease one working prototype?
<sicelo>
there were dev prototypes ... can't recall how many there were :-)
<mdz>
interesting
<sicelo>
Droid 4 is actually good if you can find it. I'm also daily driving one
<sicelo>
N900 is so much fun though, so I am unable to let go :-D
<sicelo>
Leste is simply phenomenal, especially in terms of system resource needs/usage. Nothing in the linux-on-mobile world comes close. And not just being a fan-boy - I interact with and contribute to postmarketOS and Mobian. We're really unmatched in that regard.
<arno11>
(my android is so boring compared to Leste on N900...)
* sicelo
still remembers his Leste debts - improving the PA stuff for cmtspeech (or get started with PW instead? :p ), Librem5 port, etc.
<Wizzup>
maeotp icon!
<sicelo>
oh, i forgot that one
* sicelo
hides
<Wizzup>
pls ;)
<saeed>
mdz: n900 was hardly a car even back in it's day.
<saeed>
but you could drive it in days if you really wanted. :P
<sicelo>
duh, a car? it's a spaceship!
<saeed>
death star
<saeed>
Wizzup: is there a reason no build for raspi 3 exits recently?
<Wizzup>
we're working on fixing it, we're quite cloise...
<Wizzup>
[no, but yes, could start to work in the future if someone packages the above and tries it]
<inky>
> inky: btw excalibur is not released yet
<inky>
ty, good to know.
<mdz>
and I suppose that the Facebook messenger is also dead?
<saeed>
fgm is working on it.
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<inky>
> but without JS I can't even access my UNIs web pages... xD
<inky>
everyone suffering with js, if you have a server, you can build carbonyl there, ssh to it and run carbonyl as browser: https://github.com/fathyb/carbonyl
<inky>
look at the videos.
<Wizzup>
mdz: no, that seems to work somewhat, I would expect more on that soon
<inky>
> are there any viable options for custom OS blackberries btw?
<inky>
i saw on postmarketos xmpp room, that someone ported it to blackberry key2 le. i even saw a video of that person using it with pmos. very cool. and the device is pretty modern.
<inky>
it's not yet in official pmos packages, but will be soon.
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<Wizzup>
inky: did you need my help with amazfish?
<inky>
okay msid fixed
<inky>
yeeees
<inky>
it doesn't find that library, libnemo-dbus or what was it, i mentioned it here.
<inky>
i did msid.
<inky>
Wizzup: also another problem: on pinephone photolightmeter doesn't find the light meter in sysfs.
<inky>
once it was the case and you fixed it.
<inky>
but i don't understand why it doesn't find because the kernel version did not change.
<inky>
but yes on amazfish please help, i don't understand why before build the builder can't apt install the dependency.
<inky>
omg harbour amazfish is in HAM. why?
<inky>
aaaand msid which built i think several minutes ago
<arno11>
i told you yesterday
<inky>
again is not in HAM
<inky>
arno11: i don't understand what it does there.
<inky>
you said x86 build did not pass
<Wizzup>
ok, so for any ham specific issues, let's ensure your repos are set up correctly, but just use pkgweb to verify.
<Wizzup>
but more specifically, if there is a dep missing we can check what is up
<inky>
but i thought it was related to previous builds.
<inky>
okay so now i don't understand why amazfish is there but last time i did a build it failed.
<Wizzup>
I think it did still fail
<arno11>
the missing dep is there too
<inky>
and it failed because during build apt didn't find the dep
<inky>
which is there in maemo repos.
<Wizzup>
arno11: explain pls, I'm just getting into this now :)
<arno11>
ok :)
<inky>
>The following packages have unmet dependencies: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: libnemodbus-dev but it is not installable Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up...
<inky>
but it is there.
<inky>
other problem: i just built msid and it is not in HAM.
<arno11>
Wizzup: inky's first attempt to build amazfish (2 days ago) worked for armhf and arm64 with no dep issues and the pkg is available in ham. then next build attempts failed
<arno11>
see build #12
<arno11>
bbl
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<Wizzup>
ok
<Wizzup>
inky: so did you package the package that provides libnemodbus-dev
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<sicelo>
now i have an unmetered connection at home (still crappy wrt. stability), so i think it'll be much easier to play with the L5 port going forward. building stuff a lot was finishing my 100GB cap sometimes
<Wizzup>
so are you depending on the right package name?
<inky>
oh.
<inky>
i mean amazfish doesn't build because it says that it can't find libnemodbus-dev.
<inky>
this is exactly what it says:
<inky>
>The following packages have unmet dependencies: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: libnemodbus-dev but it is not installable Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up...
<Wizzup>
ok, I will take a deeper look later today
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<xolitude>
i was wondering if i can use maemo lest on a rpi 5?
<Wizzup>
if you tried to apt-get install it on your device you'd see why you get the error
<Wizzup>
it's not that the -dev package doesn't exist, it depends on something that isn't satisfyable
<Wizzup>
the double + there I think is the problem
<Wizzup>
E: Version '2.1.39-1+leste1+4m7' for 'libnemodbus1' was not found
<Wizzup>
there is libnemodbus but not libnemodbus1
<Wizzup>
inky: that's your problem^
<arno11>
hmm double + works for some other packages iirc, let me check
<arno11>
yeah it works
<arno11>
weird, pretty sure the libnemodbus error you see was not there yesterday on my device. maybe i'm too tired or maybe that's because of apt updtae
<arno11>
*update
<arno11>
inky: why libnemodbus1 (as dep) in debian/control btw ? we have only libnemodbus in repo
<arno11>
ah yes, the error seems to come from there
<inky>
wow: libnemodbus-dev : Depends: libnemodbus1 (= 2.1.39-1+leste1+4m7) but it is not installable
<inky>
i see.
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<Wizzup>
unfortunately pkgweb is now also getting absolutely destroyed by crawlers, so I'm turning it off for the moment until we can anubis protect it too