<freemangordon>
so far this does not do anything useful, besides being able to login to facebook, retrieve avatars and track simple presence, but will improve
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: did you notice increased power draw on d4?
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<Wizzup>
I think I lose about 20% every 4 hours now
<Wizzup>
I used to get more, it might be something else
<Wizzup>
I'll do some power top tests I suppose
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<freemangordon>
Wizzup: is iphb module loaded?
<Wizzup>
I will check, but this is with wifi/gprs off
<Wizzup>
it's just with my phone next to my bed when I sleep, it goes from 100 to 60 in ~6-7 hours
<Wizzup>
I never see '2 days' anymore in the eta - it could also be some upower change where it just adjusts faster to the average draw so when you turn on the screen it shows a more pessimistic average
<freemangordon>
I never saw d4 last more than a day
<Wizzup>
I charge it to 4.35V instead of 4.2V
<Wizzup>
but I think it makes sense to measure power draw, I think something is up
<arno11>
Wizzup: wow... what you described suggest around 100mA idle. if i were you, i would try modem OFF first
<arno11>
kiva: it happened on daedalus few days ago
<arno11>
Wizzup should be able to fix it for chimaera
<kiva>
good to know.
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<Wizzup>
kiva: huh? strange
<Wizzup>
nginx was off somehow, wtf
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<kiva>
Wizzup: Now working. Thanks!
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<Wizzup>
apologies
<kiva>
No apologies needed ever from you. Without you it would never on.
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<mdz>
Wizzup: please how could I install the latest build for the N900?
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<arno11>
mdz: just dd last img into sdcard, or maybe your question is a bit more specific ?
<mdz>
nope, I'm up and running now
<arno11>
ok
<mdz>
just wasn't sure where to download the latest packages
<mdz>
but found out pretty quickly
<mdz>
btw, had one question regarding the startup process, what's going on in the background during the boot process and then when the UI is launched, I mean, It takes like 5 minutes since the UI becomes Usable on the N900
<mdz>
I understand the HW limitations, but I am asking just out of curiosity
<freemangordon>
mdz: I think there are some processes crashing (esp dbus-activated that just time-out)
<mdz>
yes, that might be, since I did get some internal errors warnings in the popups
<freemangordon>
we shall look into it someday, feel free to investigate :)
<freemangordon>
it is still related to slow HW, but should be fixable
<mdz>
freemangordon: ahh, I am just a dumb user :D when it comes to this, I know my way around a terminal but that's about it
<freemangordon>
I see :)
<arno11>
at least, modest is one of the culprit (directly or undirectly)
<arno11>
if it doesn't start on boot, device is responsive quicker
<freemangordon>
Wizzup: does openssl support proxy?
<mdz>
arno11: I mean, after the tidious boot, leste seems even more responsive than original fremantle
<mdz>
good job guys
<freemangordon>
mdz: also, keep in mind it boots from uSD (max 10 MiB/s), not from onenand
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: what kind of proxy
<mdz>
hmm, maybe if I wasn't stuck on keeping the orignal OS it could be even quicker
<mdz>
btw, when it comes to the zram config, should I uncomment the size=256 option in the config file?
<mdz>
and rewrite it to 1024?
<arno11>
do not use zram on n900
<freemangordon>
using zram on n900 is a bad idea
<freemangordon>
Wizzup: whatever, like, http or socks or...
<mdz>
just asking bc of the popup after first poweron
<arno11>
mdz: you can ignore that msg
<freemangordon>
Wizzup: iow, can I ssl_connect through proxy without implementing the proxy support code
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: I think so yeah, but normally the env vars should be picked up normally
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: is this curl, or?
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<freemangordon>
no, this is raw ssl socket
<freemangordon>
Wizzup: ^^^
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<mdz>
how should I proceed when I want to add an IRC account on libera.chat into hilton?
<mdz>
I am in the settings, in the VoIp accounts section, I've added my account info and stuff, yet I am getting an error regarding unable to connect, please try again later
<freemangordon>
it should work
<fmg_d4>
hi
<mdz>
server address should be irc.libera.chat?
<freemangordon>
mdz: ^^^ this is from my d4
<freemangordon>
lemme check
<freemangordon>
I use irc.eu.libera.chat
<freemangordon>
port 6667
<arno11>
simply irc.libera.chat on my devicd
<arno11>
ssl 6697
<mdz>
weird, still the same message, "Problems Connceting to Service, Try again later"
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: don't know about that to be honest
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: curl would honour it I think
<arno11>
mdz: is this still the first boot or ?
<mdz>
yupp, going to reboot now
<arno11>
yeah, the first boot is always buggy. you could also dist-upgrade to devel on second boot (harmless)
<freemangordon>
arno11: there is nothing in daedalus-devel that must be upgraded
<freemangordon>
I really prefer users to stay on -stable
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<arno11>
understandable, however last devel Conversations is really good on n900
<freemangordon>
well, pester dsc_ to move it to stable
<arno11>
:P
<freemangordon>
:)
<mdz>
should I still be getting the Welcome to Leste popup after reboot?
<arno11>
it should disappear
<mdz>
even if I still have the original OS in the uboot as default?
<arno11>
not related
<mdz>
think so
<arno11>
there is a flag blocking the popup after first boot iirc
<mdz>
also, did you guys managed to get imap.gmail working?
<arno11>
yup
<arno11>
works fine in modest
<mdz>
hmmm, there seems to be something off regarding my install
<mdz>
I've installed the build from 10.08.2025 (yesterday) and even the reboot from terminal command is having issues, it was just hanged on some PVR error for about 3 minutes before continuing to shutdown and reboot
<arno11>
you should only reboot with power button menu
<arno11>
and it takes around one minute
<dsc_>
stable/devel conversations are the same version
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<dsc_>
also xmpp is already pestering me
<mdz>
u mean hold it? or the shutdown! option?
<arno11>
shutdown option
<arno11>
you can ignore errors atm
<arno11>
but should take only one min
<mdz>
that I've done the first time and the welcome to leste showed up
<mdz>
now it's gone
<arno11>
dsc_: cool @stable
<arno11>
dsc_: are you looking @attachments, or ?
<dsc_>
yes
<arno11>
to encourage you, i would say Conversations can become a killer app with that feature !
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<mdz>
one thing that I've noticed in the Conversations app, when typing in the channel to connecto to using IRC, u have to hold the FN key to type any special character on the N900
<mdz>
same goes with shift
<arno11>
yeah indeed
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<dsc_>
arno11: xmpp is really terrible to setup
<dsc_>
in terms of server etc.
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<arno11>
ok
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<mdz1>
.
<mdz>
well ive manageg to log in using the n900
<arno11>
cool
<mdz1>
for some weird reason I had to log out on my PC
<mdz>
and the imap is still not working
<arno11>
btw in conversations settings you can switch to slim mode to improve perfs and ram usage
<mdz>
are there any logs that I could look into?
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<arno11>
you mean for Modest (email app) ?
<mdz>
yes
<mdz>
i just want to know what the possible problem might be
<arno11>
really don't know but i can share my settings
<mdz>
please if you would be so kind
<arno11>
(username must be email address iirc) imap.gmail.com secure connection: SSL(IMAP4S) port 993
<arno11>
you are trying to use app password instead of your regular password, right ?
<mdz>
after few minutes and 2 app passwords its looking like its gonna go somewhere
<mdz>
yeah its working
<arno11>
cool !
<mdz>
btw how is it with vibrations on N900?
<mdz1>
or better said notofications
<arno11>
depends on what you expect
<mdz>
just the basic when a new message comes the phone at least makes a sound or vibrates
<arno11>
it just works
<mdz>
is there a place where i can set it up?
<mdz1>
maye in the settings?
<arno11>
yes
<arno11>
settings/profiles
<mdz>
doesnt seem to be working
<mdz>
i know for a fact that my n900 is fully functional
<arno11>
what did you try exactly ?
<mdz>
a while back i used it for calls and playing some movies, eg. speakers worked and vibrations also, now its in general mode with enabled vibrations and sound yet even if the phone is off the only thing that notifies me of a new message is the led that ive enabled
<arno11>
hmm weird
<mdz>
in fact ive felt and heard it today when i was playing arround woth fremantle
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<arno11>
sorry i can't look at this now, it's late here. zzz time. i can help you tomorrow if needed
<mdz>
sure thing, thanks a lot
<mdz>
gonna go to, wrk tmrw
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<inky>
ok i think amazfish built!
<Wizzup>
great!
<inky>
it is still an old version but it supports pinetime.
<inky>
we have another problem that the service should be run from console. need to find a better solution. our wiki describes it.
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<inky>
Wizzup: something broke on pp. my photo light meter can't find hardware light meter in sysfs. it _can_ find on droid and bionic and it was able to find on PP before.
<inky>
i remember once it was like this and you fixed it.
<dsc_>
i need to create a new chat protocol
<dsc_>
I wonder how ircv3 is doing
<inky>
dsc_: while you're dealing with it, one of xmpp implementations ( i think haze) does not accept utf-8 in our interface. or does not work with it. but it should. xmpp works with utf-8, not even punycode.
<inky>
just saying, no obligations. (:
<dsc_>
some things work in A (gabble) but not in B (haze)
<dsc_>
and the other way around
<inky>
aaaand i have an idea for a protocol: meshtastic!
<dsc_>
no
<inky>
i have a device here.
<dsc_>
sounds complicated
<sicelo>
inky: does `monitor-sensor` 'see' the light sensor?
<dsc_>
i dont like complicated :P
<inky>
there's a pidgin plugin. i connect it via wire and use. the device does everything itself.
<inky>
the thing would be perhaps to change it to use bluetooth instead of usb.
<inky>
sicelo: let me see!
<inky>
$ monitor-sensor
<inky>
Waiting for iio-sensor-proxy to appear
<inky>
+++ iio-sensor-proxy appeared
<inky>
=== Has accelerometer (orientation: normal)
<inky>
=== No ambient light sensor
<inky>
=== No proximity sensor
<inky>
sicelo: thank you!
<dsc_>
ive been setting up a prosody xmpp server for a couple of hours now
<dsc_>
crazy
<inky>
dsc_: i have prosody, love it.
<inky>
i even wrote my prosody plugin to log who came to the muc.
<dsc_>
no, its old software made by "smart people" (kugh)
<dsc_>
who tend to over-engineer things, thus making it bad
<sicelo>
inky: looks like broken drivers then? PP should have all those three types of sensors. find out which modules are missing
<inky>
slack (if it has) should be if we want people who work use maemo for work too.
<inky>
also teams, yes. real teams. i was able to use pidgin and teams at my former workplace.
<dsc_>
hehe nice
<inky>
actually teams worked extremely bad, its app is written in js and i didn't use it, and in browser it is buggy, and crashes, but in pidgin i would never miss a notification!
<inky>
i was using it on d4!
<inky>
d4 was my salvation! if not d4 i don't know what would i do.
<dsc_>
everyone is using these centralized apps by enterprise companies
<inky>
yeah. at work they do.
<dsc_>
yes, but why
<dsc_>
because it takes 5 hours to set up prosody
<dsc_>
thats why
<dsc_>
lol
<inky>
my current workplace uses googlechat, and pidgin's plugin doesn't work after they updated their google chat to make it extremely complicated to use it without their web page or their app.
<inky>
so now no solution.
<inky>
so i have to run browser :/
<inky>
well i was setting up prosody for some friends, it mostly works out of the box. if you add virtual hosts, http, and calls via turnserver, ok, + 30 minutes.
<inky>
sorry. (:
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<dsc_>
in the real world people dont do this
<dsc_>
which is why people are using Teams and not XMPP
<inky>
people don't even know it is an option.
<dsc_>
i dont think so
<inky>
but.. i don't have _anything_ except xmpp. i am here even via my xmpp to irc gateway.
<dsc_>
they just gravitate towards the path of least resistance
<inky>
so to communicate with me they _have_ to have xmpp apps.
<inky>
alas most of them, if they know each other, don't write each other via xmpp. i don't understand why.
<dsc_>
xmpp does not meet the requirements people expect probably
<inky>
i don't know what do they want. what else? it has everything.
<dsc_>
if it had everything, it would be used more often :P
<dsc_>
Matrix is another that has not taken over the business world yet
<inky>
i disagree. i think xmpp is an example of solution which stands well against others. it is not used just because people don't even know about it, and then, they get confused, because they got used to centralization.
<inky>
they say "what messenger do you use" or "suggest to use".
<inky>
and then they don't understand how is it possible to use different programs for same purpose.
<inky>
and then they don't understand how is that people on different servers communicate.
<inky>
anyway.
* inky
goes afk
<dsc_>
i dont want a solution that stands well against others, rather a solution that is better than whatever centralized enterprise offers
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<dsc_>
bye :P
<inky>
please tell me what do you want in xmpp and you don't have. i'll read later.
<dsc_>
not me, what people want
<dsc_>
they use Discord/Teams/Slack etc.
<dsc_>
Telegram
<dsc_>
Whatsapp
<inky>
they also use macos or windows. because those are the defaults.
<dsc_>
because it has features/clients that more open protocols have
<dsc_>
because it has features/clients that open protocols dont have*
<inky>
i don't know if anything has group end to end encrypted chats.
<dsc_>
inky: yes exactly, and why do they use macos/windows and not linux
<inky>
defaults.
<dsc_>
no
<inky>
status quo.
<dsc_>
i dont believe this
<dsc_>
its because for them its a better experience
<inky>
heh. i was thinking about it a lot. we may talk about it but i will be flooding.
<dsc_>
so we must ask ourselves, what can we improve about linux
<inky>
can't be a better experience.
<inky>
windows and macos are extremely unusable. for a regular user standpoint.
<dsc_>
today I switched between Windows/Linux. I plug in my HDMI cable into Ubuntu, oh whoops desktop environment is now broken, gotta hard reset
<dsc_>
just a simple example
<dsc_>
on Ubuntu, you cannot even remove the desktop icons without installing some gnome tweak tool
<dsc_>
my interests are in making user-friendly apps
<dsc_>
because I have the end-user in mind
<dsc_>
often, programmers do not have the end-user in mind (hello GIMP)
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<dsc_>
in early 2010s, XMPP was on-track to become a standard for the future (c)(tm)
<dsc_>
now everyone uses American platforms/tech (nothing against America, just saying)
<dsc_>
prosody really sucks
<dsc_>
wow
<dsc_>
I suppose this is the best daemon for XMPP there is? :D
<inky>
back
<inky>
have to do some work and go to sleep though.
<inky>
remars are: prosody is amazing, i don't know what you are talking about.
<inky>
also ejabberd is good.
<dsc_>
have you ever setup a file sharing Component
<dsc_>
in prosody
<inky>
always.
<dsc_>
it has a cert?
<inky>
you just need to talk to the folks on prosody xmpp, they are really helpful and they are in the theme.
<dsc_>
because it re-uses the cert from the main domain
<inky>
sure, every domain has a cert. or you have one cert per several domains.
<dsc_>
which is from anothe domain
<inky>
when generating a cert you can generate one cert for several domains.
<inky>
or you use separate.
<dsc_>
yes?
<dsc_>
i have 2 certs
<dsc_>
prosody only uses 1
<inky>
just add a cert for each domain.
<inky>
(subdomain)
<dsc_>
im trying this yes
<inky>
i have, let me count... 1, 2, 3, 4 domains on my prosody + several subdomains for each: for conference server, for file sharing.
<dsc_>
and how did you do that?
<inky>
certbot?
<inky>
i used acme.sh but then switched to certbot.
<dsc_>
please :P more info
<dsc_>
did you use certbot through prosodyctl
<dsc_>
the auto-cert setup?
<inky>
but i copy certs manually from /etc/letsencrypt/live/<domain>/
<dsc_>
yes me too
<inky>
certbot is able to get certs via several ways. as a last resort you can even stop web server, if you have any, and tell certbot to get certs via its internal http server.
<dsc_>
its archive/ btw, that folder is just symlinks
<dsc_>
my problem is not certbot, its pointing prosody to my certs
<inky>
yes, but in archive the file name is changing, the number at the end of the file (before extension) increments.
<inky>
ah
<inky>
there are two options
<dsc_>
specifically for the file sharing stuff
<dsc_>
it needs a seperate domain as I understand
<dsc_>
so how do I specify a cert for it
<inky>
i mean you can write paths, or prosody has default paths. i'll show you the manual page about it in a minute.
<inky>
but what is not there, is permissions, i just copy certs to /etc/prosody/certs directory
<dsc_>
yes permissions I also fixed
<inky>
and in case of proper naming, you don't even need to write cert paths in the config.
<dsc_>
ok
<inky>
it will assume defaults and will pick up.
<dsc_>
we shall try this auto discovery of certs
<inky>
then btw it should work with symlinks too.
<dsc_>
because we cannot point it to a location
<dsc_>
under a Component
<inky>
minute, i'll give you the page.
<dsc_>
the fact this is written in Lua was already an indication
<inky>
among these all scripting langs, lua is one of the best designed imo.
<inky>
others are far behind.
<dsc_>
normal programs use normal configuration
<inky>
plus with luajit you get fast speed, tens times faster.
<dsc_>
INI style or whatever
<dsc_>
C++ is also fast
<dsc_>
golang
<inky>
okay, we'll continue to disagree here. at least it's not yml.
<inky>
golang i like.
<inky>
c++ is supposed to be fast.
<inky>
it's a compiled language.
<inky>
with low level facilities.
<inky>
well i like pascal from the known ones, i love oberon from the unknown ones. (:
<dsc_>
if I had time, I would write a sane xmpp daemon
<dsc_>
single binary - simple config
<inky>
i contributed to a pascal xmpp library and in 2012 i was using my own app on n900 to share location with friends via xmpp.
<inky>
i need to revive it and bring to leste.
<inky>
they would just login via google account or any other xmpp account.
<inky>
click on the name in the list and see the location, if the person was sharing.
<inky>
and it would show how location changes in "real time".
<dsc_>
nice :)
<inky>
since i don't use a sim card, it was very important to me. lets say i approach some place with a car to get someone. or even no need to call and ask where are you, are you approaching.