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<geist> they have some new 10gbit chip i read
<geist> ideally < $10 so maybe more mobos will start stuffing it
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<nikolar> Can you even get 10gbit over cat6
<Mutabah> Think so, not far - but I think it's possible?
<zid> yea you can
<zid> 55m
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<zid> I think 6a has better specs?
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<nikolar> Huh neat
<nikolar> I bet the 10 gig switches are expensive though
<zid> £150
<zid> fuck switches though, fucking barbaric tech
<zid> the tech being "wires"
<GeDaMo> You kids and your 'wireless' :P
<zid> not quite how a proper router works, GeDaMo :P
<kof673> barbaric is what they called people who didn't know hieroglyphs, you kids and your words :D
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<mjg> how is osdev today
<nikolar> kernaling
<nikolar> (not)
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<heat> i linux kernalled
<heat> i no longer have much energy for onyx kernal
<heat> very sad
<GeDaMo> :(
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<mjg> heat: do you mind if i take over
<heat> yes
<heat> you would fuck it all up
<mjg> :(
<mjg> i'm gonna do a spite fork
<heat> first commit would be sysctlbyname
<mjg> second
<mjg> firstcommit would be to README
<mjg> "wanker period is ovedr"
<mjg> after that i would fix all the typos
<Ermine> hey mjg !!!!
<Ermine> I've missed you
<netbsduser`> heat: but what if you do later
<heat> do what?
<mjg> Ermine: sup dawg
<mjg> did you contribute to onyux
<mjg> heat: what if you have energy for onyx kernal presumably
<mjg> maybe enough power to delete the repo
<mjg> :X
<heat> meh sometimes
<Ermine> not really
<heat> yes you have
<heat> core pipe code even
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<heat> i have kind of been thinking about pci bus configuration lately
<heat> namely, i have an old branch with this code, for riscv (because qemu doesn't do it for you on riscv)
<Ermine> hmm, i mean during mjg's absence
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<heat> and i would like to properly integrate it with the x86 PC code
<heat> so I might need fancier code, to keep track of pre-configured BARs and bus windows
<heat> and configure what's left
<heat> (and if nothing is configured then everything is left)
<Ermine> the branch in question is pci-config?
<heat> yes
<heat> https://docs.kernel.org/PCI/acpi-info.html this doc has been helpful in figuring out how to get proper PCI mem ranges on PCs
<bslsk05> ​docs.kernel.org: 6. ACPI considerations for PCI host bridges — The Linux Kernel documentation
<kof673> that about sums up my goals mjg : which Lefebvre refers to as "the rank of reflection" kgb manual or kof osdev strategy, you decide
<heat> the problem is that touching this code (and merging that branch) gets me nervous
<heat> because there's potential to break a lot of stuff in many different ways
<Ermine> uhhh
<mjg> move fast and break things
<nikolar> and then stop moving because nothing works
<heat> mjg is an SF tech bro now
<heat> what if i used AI to configure my PCI buses
<nikolar> you'll burn down your house somehow
<mjg> you know, shortly after you were born i was playing quake 3
<mjg> i was about your current age
<mjg> anyway
<mjg> some fucking guy showed up with a nickname FreeBSD (srs, no joke)
<mjg> for some reason that did not sit well with me
<mjg> so i started asking him about the VFS LAYER
<mjg> this is where the guy responded that the joke is on me since VFS got removed in the latest version
<mjg> :X
<heat> FACTS
<mjg> i checked the repo and it sure af was gone
<mjg> so
<mjg> guy 1, me 0
<mjg> that is to say
<heat> that feeling when the VFS is so fast it feels like it's not even there
<mjg> don't get into arguments over the intewrebz
<mjg> people will say just about anything to win
<heat> you were literally arguing with mckusick
<heat> and he deleted the whole VFS just to prove a point
<mjg> PLAUSIBLE
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<nikolar> check if VFS is back now
<mjg> still gone
<nikolar> dang
<mjg> TIL ts(1)
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<heat> UNIX PHILOSOPHY
<pog> misread the instructions
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<nikolar> what's ts(1)
<heat> ts nuts
<heat> i should note that everything i say here is my childishness/opinion and not my employer's
<heat> that said
<heat> nikolar: mjg: SLES license?
<mjg> ts == that said?
<nikolar> heat: sure, if you're paying
<mjg> heat has a SLES license to be a wanker
<mjg> why buy SLES when you can buy RHEL?
<mjg> checkmage
<heat> CHECKMAGE IDOT
<heat> why buy RHEL when you can buy oracle linux
<nikolar> why buy oracle linux when you can buy oracle solaris
<heat> agreed
<heat> hey google, where do i get an oracle solaris 11 license
<nikolar> CHECKMAGE
<mjg> so i watched some chess after months of having 0 contact with the content
<mjg> i'm fed up with it
<mjg> i'm happy this is not my hobby
<mjg> :X
<heat> nikolar: btw there's a presentation about s390 on the suse labs youtube channel somewhere (third day of the conference I think)
<heat> it is, lets say, "fun"
<heat> what a "fun" architecture
<nikolar> does it have a gzip instruction
<heat> i don't know
<heat> it does have some sort of weird mainframe mode
<heat> that you jump in and out of
<heat> ALTHOUGH as far as I've heard it's pretty fast for IO
<nikolar> i mean that's what mainframes are supposed to excel at
<nikolar> completely ridiculous throuput
<mjg> oh?
<mjg> i thought it was supposed to be resilience to hw trouble
<nikolar> that too
<nikolar> heat: which conference though
<mjg> the one heat attended
<mjg> :X
<mjg> did you know this arch/btw user is a suse employee
<nikolar> yes
<nikolar> he won't stop talking about it
<heat> BUY A SLES LICENSE NOW
<mjg> i thought you are a junior wanker
<heat> weird
<mjg> but in engineering instead of sales
<heat> they pulled the livestream vids
<mjg> what gives
<heat> i'm not a junior mofer
<nikolar> oh that's annoying
<mjg> my apologies
<nikolar> sounded fun
<heat> you can call me many things
<heat> but never a junior
<heat> always a wanker though
<mjg> aight sport
<mjg> it is plausible they are pulled for "processing"
<mjg> will be reuploaded once edited
<heat> yeah generally these things are all public
<mjg> audio fixen, censorship of stuff which should not have been said 'n shit
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<nikolar> guess i am subscribing to suse labs lol
<heat> welcome
<heat> next step is to buy a SLES license
<mjg> did you know if you buy SLES license
<mjg> you got ONYX support bundled in
<heat> i would recommend SLE 15 SP7, but if you really want to piss me off I guess you can probably get a SLES 12 license somehow
<mjg> i'm only running the unbreakable onyx kernel
<nikolar> i am all for pissing off heat, but not if it costs money
<mjg> call him junior
<mjg> ez
<heat> ok but what if it's really funny
<nikolar> like calling you junior?
<heat> calling me junior isn't nearly as funny as making me backport 5.5 CVSS cves to 4.12
<nikolar> that's true
<nikolar> i am sure you'd do that regardless though
<mjg> i would join suse literally ony to assign shite backports to heat
<heat> ok i'll give you a heads up if the security team is hiring
<mjg> thanks mon
<mjg> you are the second best
<heat> who's the best?
<jeaye> me
<jeaye> sorry
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<heat> are you though?
<jeaye> Look, I don't make the rules.
<mjg> don't worry about it
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<mjg> i moved on from watching chess SLOP to watching world of warcraft slop
<mjg> and never even played the game
<Ermine> til l9 patches for linux mm
<heat> WHAT
<heat> what*
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<heat> i'm not SURPRISED as i don't even KNOW WHAT THAT IS
<nikolar> lol
<mjg> good thing you are a revierwer
<mjg> :X
<mjg> they R: up just about anyone these days
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<heat> i don't know everything
<heat> i pretend to know everything, which is different
<bslsk05> ​chatgpt.com: ChatGPT - Pedro Falcato Linux Developer
<mjg> i may buy that SLES license after all!!
<heat> hey i'm starting to be pro-AI after all
<nikolar> heat: does suse give it's employees free cursor licenses
<heat> what's cursor
<mjg> what's cursor
<mjg> ye
<nikolar> vscode with ai
<heat> lol
<nikolar> indeed
<mjg> seconded
<mjg> so does it?
<nikolar> ^^
<heat> nah bro
<heat> but i hear canonical does
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<nikolar> nice!
<mjg> lol
<mjg> even more reasons to move off of ubunu
<heat> they'll be replacing that bad boy with a rust rewrite in no time
<bslsk05> ​chatgpt.com: ChatGPT - Respectful Interaction Request
<mjg> lame
<nikolar> ubuntu sucks???
<nikolar> who knew
<bslsk05> ​chatgpt.com: ChatGPT - Mateusz Guzik Contributions
<heat> would you look at that
<mjg> OH
<mjg> well yes that's me
<mjg> > a team that developed the "UkuRobot," a robot capable of playing the ukulele
<mjg> not my proudest achievement
<mjg> but the fuck you have to show for yourself
<heat> single handedly keeping linux NOMMU alive with that one
<mjg> i asked chatgpt to describe you in the style of al viro
<nikolar> mjg: we should use nommu more
<mjg> it failed so hard i'm not even gonna copy paste
<nikolar> so that heat has to maintain it
<nikolar> he loves that
<mjg> he loves nommu cause there are no CVEs against it
<heat> nommu is really good
<heat> yeah exactly
<heat> no one uses it, so no CVEs
<mjg> hue there is some guy with my name and an inactive 1731 FIDE ELO
<mjg> i guess i would also stop playing if i was worse than andrea botez
<bslsk05> ​hakavlad/le9-patch - [PATCH] mm: Protect the working set under memory pressure to prevent thrashing, avoid high latency and prevent livelock in near-OOM conditions (11 forks/211 stargazers/CC0-1.0)
<Ermine> somehow an article about it got to my mailbox
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<bslsk05> ​lore.kernel.org: Making sure you're not a bot!
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<mjg> huh
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