#commonlisp on 2025-06-11 — irc logs at libera.catirclogs.org

2022-07-28 16:55 jackdaniel changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/>

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00:49 <ggdroid> does the current speaker on anonradio have a personal web site or any online presence?

00:52 <ggdroid> that was for vasil, but any of you can answer.

00:53 <ggdroid> I will pray for him then.

01:07 <screwlisp> Well at least it sounds like we will get vassil back in the future

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01:07 <screwlisp> ggdroid, vassil is actually very active on the mastodon @vnikolov@ieji.de if you would like to read/keep up

01:08 <screwlisp> I'll get an episode archive uploaded in about an hour.

01:22 <veqq> It was interesting

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01:41 <ggdroid`> screwlisp: thanks, I will check him out on mastodon

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06:00 <jackdaniel> I'd be wary; a few takes by him I've read on mastodon were incorrect and shallow

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13:19 <mmontone> Hello! I'm trying to create symbols at runtime, and assign them a value.

13:19 <mmontone> I'm trying with this:

13:19 <mmontone> (progn (let ((my-symbol (intern "my symbol")))

13:19 <mmontone> (setf (symbol-value my-symbol) "a value"))

13:19 <mmontone> my-symbol)

13:19 <mmontone> But it says my-symbol variable is not bound.

13:19 <mmontone> Do you have suggestion on how to achieve something like the above?

13:20 <mmontone> Wait ... it works. I have wrong variable name :)

13:22 <beach> Yeah, if you want to use my-symbol, the name has to be "MY-SYMBOL".

13:23 <mmontone> yep

13:26 <Alfr> mmontone, you likely get the unbound, because your last use of my-symbol is outside the let.

13:27 <beach> Alfr: I don't think so.

13:29 <Alfr> beach, for above code the last closing paren corresponds to progn.

13:29 <beach> Alfr: Setting the symbol-value will set it globally, so my-symbol then refers to the global variable and not the lexical variable.

13:30 <beach> ,(setf (symbol-value 'hello) 234) ,(progn hello)

13:30 <ixelp> (setf (symbol-value 'hello) 234) => 234, also (progn hello) => 234

13:30 <Alfr> beach, yeah, but that I'd symbol's name is "my symbol" anyway.

13:30 <beach> Alfr: We already discussed that.

13:31 <beach> It is just unfortunate that mmontone used the same name for the lexical variable holding the symbol name and the global variable holding the value.

13:33 <beach> Alfr: But, yes, you are right. Because of the misspelled variable name, my-symbol refers to an undefined variable.

13:36 <Alfr> Oh ... you mean the intent was to actually get the value of |my symbol|?

13:36 <beach> Yes.

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17:23 <veqq> When you compile e..g (in-package :this-package) why doesn't it make the repl go to that package?

17:24 <veqq> It's the only thing I can think of where it's different compiling vs. typing it directly into the repl

17:32 <kanuba> For starters, in SLIME and Sly, compilation happens on a thread distinct from the one the REPL runs on, and special variable bindings (*PACKAGE* in particular here) can be assumed to be thread-local.

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17:39 <veqq> kanuba: But then why does compilation change the value of vars in the repl, otherwise? I can e.g. fill up a hashtable by compiling a loop, and the hashtable's filled in the repl. The threads access something else? And the reader works on a per thread basis?

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17:57 <beach> veqq: If the thread does not bind the special variable, then the global binding is shared between all threads.

18:00 <beach> veqq: But COMPILE-FILE binds *PACKAGE* before compiling. And I believe SLIME and Sly compile forms by writing them to a file and then using COMPILE-FILE.

18:09 <bike> They do indeed

18:10 <veqq> Thank you!

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18:26 <beach> Pleasure.

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