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<dnhester26>
Hi, good morning. If I make a lisp image with SBCL on a mac, can I load it in a ubuntu machine? is that normal? are there any issues? I'm trying to figure out a smooth but robust way to deploy code
<dnhester26>
I know I can make a docker process to make an executable and ship that, but it may be overcomplicating things
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<dnhester26>
I don't think moving a folder and loading it is great, so a lisp image seems like middle of the road
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<jackdaniel>
I don't think that you can do that; even assuming the same architecture, osx and linux will have different libc
<beach>
It is highly unlikely that you can move an image like that. First of all, the processors would have to be the same, because the image contains machine code.
<Lycurgus>
u'd think but prolly not
<Lycurgus>
dont they embed code?
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<dnhester26>
ahh, so the only way is basically either to ship the source to the server or make my own docker image which makes an image or at that point why not an executable. Am I missing anything? Anyone have any recommendations?
<dnhester26>
Thanks for replying
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<jackdaniel>
unless docker ships the kernel to run hosted on the target machine moving docker images between different operating systems won't fly neither
<|3b|>
sbcl executable is pretty much just an image tacked onto some runtime code
<dnhester26>
ah no I mean using docker to run a virtual ubuntu and make a common lisp executable that I can deploy
<jackdaniel>
I see
<|3b|>
so yeah, build one of those for each target architecture/os combination
<dnhester26>
ah ok. Hm, at which point it's porbably easier to just send the code, build an executable in the server and delete the code
<jackdaniel>
architecture/os/libc-version
<|3b|>
(and ideally with the oldest OS you want to ship for, unless you want to deal with libc versioning)
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<dnhester26>
I imagine having the source code in the server for a webapp is not very secure but maybe I'm wrong.
<jackdaniel>
you can always run code client-side with ecl compiled to wasm
<aeth>
but I don't think any Lisp implementation has tried to do something like that (although a pure interpreter with bytecode I guess would be somewhat similar, assuming you have the interpreter installed)
<|3b|>
if someone can get to source on your server, you probably have bigger security problems :)
<aeth>
but I don't think that Actually Portable Executables handle ARM vs x86-64
<jackdaniel>
I've made an initial (and working) port of ecl to cosmopolitan libc
<dnhester26>
jackdaniel: ah, is your project now in a more usable mode? last time we spoke I think you said it was pre alpha and not recommended for actually shipping code
<aeth>
I almost regret to bring up "actually portable executable", though, because the use of faux Greek is painful... actmally pdrtable execmtable
<jackdaniel>
wasm is rather solid unless you need asdf, then you need to tinker a bit to get libraries on board
<jackdaniel>
I'm working on virtual filesystem
<jackdaniel>
recently I've sped up bytecodes vm and implemented flat closures (after clasp) and started to store locals on the stack (so there is no consing)
<jackdaniel>
I've also made a forth compiler to ecl bytecodes vm for the sake of having fun and really low level access, but it is not merged at this point
<dnhester26>
I've never used wasm so apologies if this is to much of a noob question but can I use the cl wasm to interact with javasccript? I've been thinking recently about generating javascript/react code with CL which I would then output to some project and built that project to get js code out. Maybe using wasm would be simpler?
<jackdaniel>
yes, you can call lisp and js back and fro
<jackdaniel>
I've even created webgl context and played with it from repl
<jackdaniel>
I'll just emphasize, that loading libraries via asdf may be tricky currently in this setting
<jackdaniel>
(not impossible, just tricky)
<jackdaniel>
it is very much possible that soon I will devote much more time to polish wasm support and provide supporting libraries explicitly for that target
<dnhester26>
ok, when you say tricky, what's exactly the tricky part so that I know what I'm getting into? If I have a folder with all the dependencies, is that enough? and btw, what's the size basis of the output file before I add code and libraries? hm, this may be too complicated because that file may end up too large. I think I probably have to do the regular javascript generation from CL
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<jackdaniel>
I think that it should be much easier if you already have a bundle -- you'd need to embed the directory with the image (emscripten has a flag for that)
<jackdaniel>
and regarding size -- full CL is 6MB, a bit smaller than fonts people usually embed on their websites :3
<jackdaniel>
recently I've been playing with <script type='application/cl'> ... </script> and it works fairly well
<jackdaniel>
in this setting you have a runtime that the website depends on (and it is cached after the first load), and any number of scripts on particular websites
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<dnhester26>
ah, so I can just have the CL implementation by itself and then other scripts can just be my own application's CL code?
<jackdaniel>
yeah
<dnhester26>
ah so that's much better!
<dnhester26>
cool, googling it now
<jackdaniel>
I don't think that google will turn much
<ixelp>
Web Embeddable Common Lisp: make.sh at tip
<jackdaniel>
I need to go now, good luck!
<dnhester26>
thanks!
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<bike>
I'm running into pathname problems and I don't know enough about pathnames to fix them. What does a pathname's host represent? And is :unspecific the only thing you can portably pass as the :host to make-pathname for a physical pathname?
<Lycurgus>
pathnames is such a common sore spot, i'm surprised to hear u havent dealt
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<pl>
bike: depends on OS and whether the implementation actually converts CL pathname to host pathname properly
<pl>
Windows NT for example technically supports host slot
<pl>
(so does VMS and a bunch of old OSes, including Lisp Machines, but let's concentrate on actually mass used ones)
<pl>
for windows, (make-pathname :host "foo.ai.mit.edu" :device "C$" :directory :directory '(:absolute "BAR" "BAZ")) should technically return something like this: \\foo.ai.mit.edu\C$\BAR\BAZ\
<pl>
local system is host "."
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<Lycurgus>
the VMS fs is kinda a worst case
<pl>
Lycurgus: Windows is actually worse
<pl>
VMS uses *all* attributes in pathname spec
<pl>
Windows NT, to fully describe a specific file, *needs an extra one from outside spec*
<Lycurgus>
i was thinking about versions on VMS, don't recall using lisp on windows, os/2 tho
<pl>
because while text form of windows pathnames don't support versions, OS itself supports file versions, but in addition a NTFS "file" is closer to a single-level directory
<pl>
and there's no place for ADS in CL pathnames
<pl>
the "plain" file you open when you open a path on Windows is just the DATA stream that has 0-length name
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<pl>
don't recall if there's an actual limit on how many DATA records a FILE can have :V
<pl>
Lycurgus: funnily enough, NTFS is very obviously derived from VMS filesystem (ODS-5 I think, or at least ODS-2)
<Lycurgus>
i did the comparsion between NTFS and HPFS at IBM when they were codenamed Pinball and Hilda
<Lycurgus>
in system test in Boca, c. 1989
<pl>
wouldn't 1989 be a bit too early? I thought NT was formed a bit later
<Lycurgus>
well they were brand new
<bike>
pl: i'm asking a more basic question - what does the host mean? I don't know what it means in OSes either. Is it a network host for network filesystems? One of the CLHS examples kind of looks like it
<Lycurgus>
they werent fielded yet
<bike>
like what is a host, conceptually
<pl>
Lycurgus: ah, I see it was 1988
<Lycurgus>
the names they would be known by weren then attached
<bike>
clhs just says "The name of the file system on which the file resides" which is not super helpful
<pl>
bike: it's a computer name for networked filesystems
<pl>
"host" refers to concrete computer
<pl>
"device" to a specific disk device if exposed by given system
<pl>
and it's related to how multiple OSes at the time had "network transparent" file access
<Lycurgus>
yeah 88/89 in the bldgs near Congress and Linton
<bike>
i see, thanks
<Lycurgus>
pinball won out because it targetted performance on then available devices
<pl>
My first contact with NT was partially related to how it could read/write HPFS
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<bike>
part of why i'm thrown off here is that sbcl hosts appear to be internal struct objects rather than strings, and it looks like they represent more the filesystem's conventions (like UNIX-HOST says to use / as a separator)
<Lycurgus>
HPFS remained available in os/2 and NT
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<pl>
Lycurgus: my father moved from OS/2 to NT 4.0, installing hpfs.sys from NT 3.51 into 4.0 was important part of it
<Lycurgus>
it (os/2) was my main OS until c. '93/4 when i tried bsd and barfed it up right away and went with linux
<Lycurgus>
i ported AKCL to os/2 but never did anything with it
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<Lycurgus>
(a kyoto derivative)
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<Lycurgus>
same ancestry as CCL unless i'm mistaken
<Lycurgus>
or clisp igess
<Lycurgus>
not CCL forgot that refers to clozure
<pl>
AKCL is related to GCL and ECL
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<ebrasca>
How to know how much data you got in usocket to read with read-sequence?
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<bike>
sbcl doesn't accept :unspecific for :host, so that's out. i guess () counts as a list of strings so i can use that, but i don't really know what a host that's a list of strings means either
<ebrasca>
Why there is no READ-BYTE-NO-HANG ?
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<jackdaniel>
it was simply not specified, an ommission
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<pl>
ebrasca: remember, you can always add new methods on top of stream objects
<pl>
You're not shackled to spec
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<jackdaniel>
the thing is that if you have a primitive (implementation-defined) binary stream, then you can't read the byte without blocking
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<netchan>
i'm trying to work with a dictionary and find out if any word in the dictionary is a compound word, i am doing this because i want to extract a list of words not composite and don't have repeating letters, i am stuck on the composite word stuff. i add some common prefixes to my trie data type, adding the list of words from the dictionary errors out as per cerror defined in trie, it gives error cuz it thinks the parent of some n
<ixelp>
contents of randomsnippets.lisp - Pastebin.com
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<cdegroot>
(not sure whether anyone cares, but I'm experimenting with Coalton so I just created #coalton)
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<decweb>
netchan, I took a quick look at the pastebin and quickly overran my buffer and closed it. But you do seem to be mixing code that tests with string=, with other code that uses default tests which would be EQL. Depending on whether the inputs are symbols or strings you're going to get some potentially unexpected results.
<decweb>
the pastbin linjk didn't work when I checked just now.
<decweb>
as in, (eql 'some-symbol "some-symbol") isn't going to be true, for example
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<pl>
jackdaniel: on one hand, yes, on another, it's why I am considering making a stream class from scratch calling to low level IO interfaces
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