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<g-gundam> htmx's websocket extension will work with hunchensocket now. https://github.com/bigskysoftware/htmx-extensions/pull/167
<ixelp> Attempt websocket reconnection on error code 1011 also by g-gundam · Pull Request #167 · bigskysoftware/htmx-extensions
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<antoszka> reb, g-gundam, thanks guys. It seems cl-repl seems to work best for me for quick things. Normally I use slime within spacemacs, but the startup just takes too long for running quick-shot oneliners.
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<antoszka> reb: I've used rlwrap before, but that's just too much of a hack and no automatic autocompletion.
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<g-gundam> antoszka: I think the most effective solution to Emacs' slow startup problem is to run it in daemon mode either via `M-x server-start` or running `emacs --daemon`. Then, you could connect to it via `emacsclient`.
<g-gundam> There's kind of an art to using emacsclient effectively and people have different styles of using it.
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<antoszka> Yeah, been doing that for years, but that's just something that doesn't always fit my workflow mentally. Even when I enter emacs, there's sometimes a multitude of buffer that take plenty of "mental CPU cycles" away.
<antoszka> s/buffer/buffers/
<g-gundam> antoszka: For sure. Something I've started doing very recently is to run more than one emacs daemon and give their sockets names that I can refer to in helper scripts that run emacsclient in a convenient way for me. That gives me process-level isolation and a way to group certain buffers together if I feel the need for that.
<g-gundam> This style isn't for everyone, but it works for me.
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<antoszka> BTW, anyone got hints on integrating `sly` with `spacemacs`? Been using the out-of-the-box slime integration, but I'm curious about trying out sly.
<beach> I suppose spacemacs must take a lot longer to start than Emacs does, yes?
<beach> I mean, my computer is very slow, but Emacs takes less than a second to start.
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<TMA> beach: yes, spacemacs takes noticeably longer to start
<beach> I see. I wonder why.
<TMA> it loads great many packages. vanilla emacs does not do that
<beach> I see. But why are they loaded when it starts, as opposed to when it is built?
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<TMA> it is just an .emacs.d, there is no separate executable.
<beach> I see, but why not make a separate executable so that it starts faster?
<beach> Maybe these are stupid questions. If so, I apologize.
<TMA> I have no idea. maybe they try to be very dynamic in the set of packages they load. I don't use spacemacs actually. It is just an observation I made when I tried it.
<beach> I understand.
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<g-gundam> antoszka: I used to use spacemacs pretty heavily, but I've since moved on to doing custom configs. I still do have my own space menus that are heavily influenced by spacemacs though.
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<g-gundam> Unfortunately, I've never made my own spacemacs "layer", but in my own space menu, I've setup keybindings in spacemacs' style for sly REPL interaction.
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<g-gundam> https://bpa.st/3P2Q <-- something like this but using spacemacs' keybinding functions instead of general.el could get you most of the way there.
<ixelp> View paste 3P2Q
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<g-gundam> I've never used spacemacs' common lisp layer, because I wasn't writing common lisp back then. However, I took a peek just now, and see that I've diverged a bit, and I'm missing some useful bindings too. https://www.spacemacs.org/layers/+lang/common-lisp/README.html
<ixelp> Common Lisp layer
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<antoszka> g-gundam: thanks!
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<ingeniot> antoszka: There is a sly layer for spacemacs https://github.com/equwal/common-lisp-sly that works for me.
<ixelp> GitHub - equwal/common-lisp-sly: Maintaining mfiano's spacemacs config for Sly for anyone to use.
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<g-gundam> ingeniot: I didn't realize someone forked it. The original had disappeared.
<ingeniot> g-gundam: I found the original and an even older alternative by searching for "spacemacs sly"...
<g-gundam> i found the really old one, but i didn't find the mfiano one that seemed promising.
<g-gundam> I'm glad someone found it.
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<yitzi> atgreen: you around?
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<atgreen> Hi yitzi
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<g-gundam> I don't know if I've posted this here, yet, but check out my hunchensocket+htmx example site. http://beastie.sdf.org:4200/
<ixelp> Home
<g-gundam> https://git.vern.cc/gg/example <-- the source is here for the curious. Also anonymous posting is allowed.
<ixelp> example
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