#commonlisp on 2025-06-18 — irc logs at libera.catirclogs.org

2022-07-28 16:55 jackdaniel changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/>

00:01 <tux0r> i never test

00:02 <tux0r> YOLO

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00:28 <aeth> you're stuck with fiveam unless you want to potentially have to fix your tests first before finding out if your tests still pass

00:28 <aeth> sometimes old, stale, and stable is an asset

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00:31 <fe[nl]ix> stale ?

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00:34 <g-gundam> bitrot is real

00:34 <inline> yes

00:35 <yitzi> I've heard COBOL is immune from it.

00:35 <screwlisp> https://anonradio.net:8443/anonradio (gossiping about here, kmp on testing)

00:35 <fe[nl]ix> fiveam only has very slowly changing dependencies, so there's no danger there

00:36 <yitzi> Just read Sabra's reviews and prepare to be disappointed in whatever testing framework you choose.

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00:40 <aeth> fe[nl]ix: right, exactly... fiveam isn't trendy (I guess "stale" may imply bitrot), but my point is that it probably will run without having to modify your tests even 20 years from now

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00:44 <fe[nl]ix> it's reasonably simple, which I like very much

00:45 <fe[nl]ix> on the other hand, the internals are very ... 80's code, with lots of dynamic extent and plain conses

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00:46 <fe[nl]ix> I've been thinking of doing a complete rewrite à la bordeaux-threads but it would be hard not to break existing users

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01:17 <screwlisp> "++

01:20 <aeth> fe[nl]ix: dynamic-extent (stack allocation) or dynamic scope? The latter seems very 1980s, but the former is probably very trendy these days.

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01:22 <fe[nl]ix> indeed my mistake. dynamic scope

01:23 <aeth> ("very trendy" as in, I don't think the '90s/'00s FOSS compilers did it as well as today so older code is probably less likely to use it)

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12:43 <FallenSky> Are there any lisp libraries that are commonly used but not maintained, as opposed to the so-called ‘finished’ libraries? I'd like to try to contribute to some libraries by solving some issues.

12:44 <beach> So you mean libraries that do need maintenance, but that don't have any maintainer?

12:45 <FallenSky> Yeah

12:45 <FallenSky> I'm a little unsure how I should retrieve and query eligible repositories from open source platforms

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12:46 <beach> I understand. What kind of code would you be interested in?

12:46 <beach> ... and what qualifications do you have?

12:48 <FallenSky> I have a bit of a background in type system, multilingual interoperability and scientific computing, but I'm also interested in fancy macros.

12:48 <beach> I see.

12:52 <ingeniot> FallenSky: There are the sharplispers maintaining otherwise abandoned software packages https://github.com/sharplispers some of which have open issues.

12:52 <ixelp> sharplispers

12:53 <beach> ingeniot: Oh, good point!

12:53 <ingeniot> beach: Thanks! :-)

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12:57 <FallenSky> ingeniot: Thank you. Looks Good.

12:57 <ingeniot> FallenSky: My pleasure! :-)

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21:10 <coat> in SBCL (running directly on shell), when an error occurs and the restarts prompt comes up, I type 'b' and 'b' seems to have the same effect as the 'bottom' debugger command.

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21:11 <coat> but 'help' says: "Any command -- including the name of a restart -- may be uniquely abbreviated." but 'b' is not uniquely abbreviated. then why it chooses to resolve 'b' to 'bottom' when 'backtrace' is also a possible way to complete the 'b' command.

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21:25 <edgar-rft> coat: I've not liiked at the code but I assume that if the abbreviation is not unique then SBCL just uses the first match it finds

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21:26 <coat> edgar-rft: which is the same thing as saying, it just uses the first match, correct?

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