Ariadne changed the topic of #wayback to: Wayback - a wayland-based X11 environment | https://github.com/kaniini/wayback | logs: https://libera.catirclogs.org/wayback
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<jvvv> axtlos: i am testing @ commit 1555a8e of your server-split branch. works good launched from tty. not work from inside a running X11 session.
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<stacksize> axtlos: thank you!
<stacksize> would you also mind creating an issue for some screen lockers (slock) not working under wayback? would be much appreciated
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<axtlos> stacksize: I wasn't able to reproduce your issue yet
<axtlos> jvvv: What do you mean by that? I've tested it from a kde wayland session and it worked fine
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<jvvv> axtlos: nvrm, works for me now, though it breaks my current x11 session.
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<jvvv> xwayback only uses x_display=":0", which borks a currently running x11 session
<jvvv> oh, forget what i said... i am not feeling well and nothing is making sense to me right now... feel feverous... i'll be back later
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<f_|cis> @libera_jvvv:catircservices.org: oh :( get well soon
<f_|cis> and fwiw -d :3 will start Xwayland on :3
<f_> oh great thanks matrix-appservice-irc for screwing up my ping :p
<f_> jvvv ^
<f_|cis> @libera_f_:catircservices.org: you're welcome
<f_|cis> :P
<whitequark[cis]1> til why m-a-i does this sometimes
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<f_> whitequark[cis]: Does what?
<f_> broken pings?
<f_> In reality it tries to use formatted_body but fallbacks to body if it ever sees an <a> or something
<f_> guess what? Mentions generate an <a>!
<f_> and also clients are completely free to put whatever they want in body wrt mentions. Some put the displayname, others put the MxID, others put a [markdown](link), it's a mess
<whitequark[cis]> i think the reason it sent an mxid instead of the displayname is because the irc puppet has quit the room
<whitequark[cis]> f_: test
<f_> whitequark[cis]: no it's not that
<f_> it's what I explained above
<whitequark[cis]> hm
<f_> 18:09 <f_|cis> @libera_f_:catircservices.org: you're welcome
<whitequark[cis]> i just did a mention of @f_
<whitequark[cis]> that worked fine
<f_|cis> @libera_f_:catircservices.org test
<f_|cis> @whitequark:matrix.org test
<whitequark[cis]> f_[m]` 🇵🇸: test
<f_|cis> Now look at the raw event, `body`
<whitequark[cis]> f_: test
<f_|cis> of both your mentions and mine
<whitequark[cis]> oh it's a client difference
<whitequark[cis]> i hate matrix
<whitequark[cis]> it consists exclusively of infuriating behavior
<f_|cis> mine: "body": "@libera_f_:catircservices.org test",
<f_|cis> yours: "body": "f_: test",
<f_|cis> yep client difference and the bridge doesn't translate <a>'s
<f_|cis> In reality it has no support for translating mentions
<f_|cis> whitequark[cis]: come join us on irc :D :D :D /s
<whitequark[cis]> i'm too tired to run three different services just for the privilege of having one more communication app open at all times
<f_|cis> heisenbridge is pretty good as a bouncer, that being said
<f_|cis> btw, this fork fixes mentions https://git.pixie.town/f0x/matrix-appservice-irc
<f_|cis> but authd media is broken there
<whitequark[cis]> you still have to run a homeserver for heisenbridge, no?
<f_|cis> yes
<whitequark[cis]> that is so miserable
<f_|cis> I understood your message as "I want to stick to matrix for the time being"
<whitequark[cis]> i'm fine running a homeserver for catircservices because there, there isn't ever going to be data loss
<f_|cis> maybe misunderstood
<whitequark[cis]> but i don't trust either synapse or conduit in terms of "not locking me out at a critical moment", and dendrite seems to... it got deprecated din't it
<f_|cis> dunno
<whitequark[cis]> f_|cis: oh that's a shame, i would have switched over otherwise. one of the primary uses of the bridge is to host things like screenshots
<whitequark[cis]> > The Matrix.org Foundation is not able to resource maintenance of Dendrite and it continues to be developed by Element
<whitequark[cis]> oh, one of the parents got custody during the divorce
<f_|cis> lol
<whitequark[cis]> but the bigger problem is that i set it up and it plain didn't work with, i think, heisenbridge?
<f_> weird
<f_> worked fine when I tested it
<f_> in someone else's homeserver that is
<whitequark[cis]> it might've gotten fixed since i last tested it, which was a few years back
<f_> I know some people using heisen daily
<whitequark[cis]> but yes, i can't entirely migrate to irc since most of the people i talk to, i talk to on matrix
<whitequark[cis]> more realistically i could migrate to discord, which i despise even more
<f_> matrix2051? :D :D :D
<whitequark[cis]> i'm very interested in the fork though
<whitequark[cis]> hopefully someone who isn't me fixes the authenticated media support
<f_> basically the person who forked it told me they didn't like upstream's implementation of auth'd media
<f_> so, "ripped out until it's redone better by them (the author)"
<whitequark[cis]> oh.
<whitequark[cis]> no chance then
<whitequark[cis]> since i presume it won't keep old links working
<f_> in the meantime you could disable authd media on the HS
<whitequark[cis]> hm
<whitequark[cis]> i thought it's mandatory
<f_> no it's not (for now)
<f_> you can re-enable the non-authd endpoints
<f_> though it will be removed in the future I heard
<whitequark[cis]> mm, not inspiring
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<f_|cis> <whitequark[cis]> "but yes, i can't entirely..." <- I imagine you'd like one app for everything no?
<whitequark[cis]> that was the promise matrix sold me on. i used to almost have it. but unfortunately, (a) discord exists and i could only convince two people who i talked to directly to talk to me in a bridged discord channel instead and (b) telegram has proven too useful to eradicate and (c) unfortunately for this goal, signal has improved to the point it's not actually unusable
<f_> I rely on xmpp for that, I just recently moved infra and thus have to setup the bridges again
<whitequark[cis]> it's been about seven years since i had anyone to talk to using xmpp
<whitequark[cis]> and i've been an xmpp enthusiast since high school
<f_> I mean, I use xmpp bridges to matrix/whatsapp/etc
<ToyKeeper> This is really making me want to put my projects on hold and get my personal chat aggregator working. The tech has improved since last time I tried, so it should be much more feasible now.
<ToyKeeper> (private matrix server with bridges to every network I use, plus making a matrix logging client so I can keep my history all in one place in one format)
<ToyKeeper> Last time, I stalled out because the libraries I relied on didn't support matrix spaces yet. So I stopped to wait for that, and haven't gotten back to it.
<ToyKeeper> I wonder if there's an easier solution now. Last time I tried, this all felt a bit excessive for just a personal omni-bridge, and seemed like it'd take a nontrivial amount of maintenance.