<farkuhar>
"what did he do this boy with the init" is like asking "where were you when God was handing out brains?". It practically invites a snarky reply, along the lines of "pot calling the kettle black".
<zorz_>
farkuhar: tell him since he wants to play with the /etc/rc. together with SYSVINIT you get a tiny daemon which is called /sbin/bootlogd first right an init script to log the messages in /var/log/boot.log cause current version of /var/log/boot is the dmesg
<zorz_>
right=write
<zorz_>
farkuhar: many thanks
<farkuhar>
zorz_: tell him yourself.
<zorz_>
i prefer to reinstall void :P
<zorz_>
or go with sifuh openpsd
<zorz_>
hahahahahahaa
<zorz_>
openbsd has ufs i like ext4
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: snarky reply. "He fucked around init (in it)"
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I am still deciding, but I am swaying more for dumping Linux entirely. Especially if CRUX is going the way it is.
<farkuhar>
zorz_: ufs doesn't like you either (the feeling is mutual).
<SiFuh_>
And that means #CRUX-Social will be under farkuhar's control.
<zorz_>
crux is nice
<zorz_>
for the true believers like you and farkuhar
<SiFuh_>
CRUX _WAS_ nice
<zorz_>
moment going to reboot
<SiFuh_>
Now it is a cesspool of bloat and bad code
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: Did I tell you about the user who tried CRUX a few years ago, decided it was too bloated for his tastes, and moved on to install KISS Linux instead?
<SiFuh_>
With arrogant fuckwits fucking with it
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Yes
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Maybe I should try KISS Linux
<farkuhar>
Still no reply to your message for jue in #crux. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, since they never acted upon my 2024-09-07 or 2024-09-11 posts in #crux-devel.
<SiFuh_>
Well as I said. It took 18 years for them to fix the broken init system that I had a patch for.... for 18 fucking years
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: I'll leave it to remiliascarlet to police this channel. She has a better sense than I do about what constitutes inappropriate discourse here.
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<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Hahaha, good call
<farkuhar>
Kudos to zorz_ for taking his bug reports over to #crux, where somebody who can act on them might actually notice.
<zorz_>
farkuhar: is not only the rc file.... i need to change all the init files.
<zorz_>
yes now zorz is joined in #crux-social #crux #crux-musl maybe #crux-devel... maybe the problem of crux is all this #crux-channels
<SiFuh_>
No the problem is lazy devs and beerman
<zorz_>
ok bottom is this
<SiFuh_>
Well it is stupid. The captains are suppose to be Jue and Jaeger, and there is some dude he is suppose to the shiphand telling them where to go and what to do.
<farkuhar>
zorz_: according to SiFuh, the proliferation of channels started because jue selfishly decided that the off-topic digressions belonged somewhere else, hence #crux-social was born. But then I started spamming the social channel with serious MUSL discussion, and so SiFuh created a whole new channel dedicated to that topic.
<zorz_>
# Save boot messages
<zorz_>
/bin/dmesg >/var/log/boot
<zorz_>
he trully knows nothis
<zorz_>
he trully knows nothing
<zorz_>
yes was the time i joined and installed crux
<farkuhar>
And now I end up spamming even the new #crux-musl channel with unfounded speculations about GCC versus LLVM/Clang, all because emmett didn't follow up until a week later to say that the initial bug report was a false alarm.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: noticed he said 'serious' and he is posting it in an 'unserious' channel :-P
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Well, it was going to come about anyway, so it was a good-a-time as any
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: All good, that's your channel, spam away.
<farkuhar>
zorz_: Create some new issues on the Gitea instance. Your IRC posts will get lost in the scrollback buffer, rather than generating a lasting impression on the core team that something must be done about /etc/rc
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Actually it is funny, when you were flooding this channel, I didn't read even 1/4 of what you said. But now that it is all in #crux-musl, I've actually been reading them. Hah.
<SiFuh_>
So I guess zorz_ is probing the rc shit?
<farkuhar>
zorz_: Note that it's only the #crux channel where beerman has a ready mechanism (cruxbot notifications) to push your posts into the scrollback buffer. If you post in #crux-devel instead, that makes it harder for them to drown out your complaints with cruxbot spam.
<zorz_>
so ia have to #join #crux-devel and repost again?
<zorz_>
man its easier to install debian trixie
<zorz_>
which everything works with sysvinit great
<zorz_>
plus uncompromised security.
<zorz_>
debian compiles almost everything with gcc and is faster than arch
<SiFuh_>
Developer- Per Lidén and CRUX community
<SiFuh_>
I don't think CRUX community is relevant anymore
<SiFuh_>
And whatever happened to kwort Linux? Did they drop off the scene in 2019?
<SiFuh_>
Someone should update the wikipedia page for CRUX Linux and say Developer - Per Lidén (Former developer) and a selfish port maintainer
<SiFuh_>
And then add the entry 3.8 - Updated with an amateur rc code.
<zorz_>
[zorz@vbox linux-6.12.23]$ mount | grep /proc
<zorz_>
none on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
<zorz_>
[zorz@vbox linux-6.12.23]$
<zorz_>
he fucked us
<SiFuh_>
My grave robbing relative in the 1800's could write better code than what is in that rc script now.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: Funny to see you suddenly care about dogs.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: I don't, I prefer all street dogs be caught and offered to people and after 6 months, put down. Because a dog (Domestic, abandoned or feral) with no master, shouldn't be allowed to roam freely. They are not designed for that.
<remiliascarlet>
zorz_: I gave FreeBSD another try on a different laptop, seems like it really depends which ThinkPad you install it on, unlike with OpenBSD that just works on all non-Nvidia ThinkPads perfectly fine.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: But the point was that these dog catchers are breaking laws and found it was easier trespass onto people's land and steal their pets
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: A lot of OpenBSD developers use Thinkpads
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: Dogs should be allowed to roam freely in nature though.
<remiliascarlet>
Not in cities, because yeah, they can't really survive without humans in cities.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Not if they are a domestic breed. Wild natural dogs are fine. Not domestic breeds
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: And I say the same about cats too. I hate cats. But the true wild cats that were never bread to domesticated are freaking awesome
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: I remember seeing some guy who moved to South Africa specifically to grow up with a cup of lions. He kept them in a specific protected area for years now, he explained that he can't let them enter the wild anymore, because the lions won't survive.
<SiFuh_>
They are thicker legged, longer and thicker tailed
<SiFuh_>
And their face is much shorter
<remiliascarlet>
Face differs among domestic breeds as well.
<remiliascarlet>
For example, British Shorthairs have very round, flat faces, whereas Russian Blues have a face much similar to that last photo you sent.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: I had to pick up a drunk man from his friends home. I came in to collect him and was confronted by the ugliest cat I ever saw. I asked the owner "Is your cat alright? Looks like a Gray Alien. Why doesn't it have hair?" He said "It is the breed. They are loyal to one and no other. He told me the name and searched online when I was at home. Holy crap.
<SiFuh_>
No it wasn't a Sphinx. My mother knew the name
<SiFuh_>
Hairless Devon Rex. I think it was
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: venom, of emmet is using busybox in the init scheme ?
<zorz_>
remiliascarlet: FreeBSD sounds nice. never run it
<SiFuh_>
FreeBSD is awful.
<SiFuh_>
Reminds me of Arch Linux but causes your system to overheat
<remiliascarlet>
Busybox on the other hand I think is too small, it has almost no options.
<zorz_>
i dont like busybox
<zorz_>
if venom has busybox no need for me to incorporate an init system for my crux.
<remiliascarlet>
I have a FreeBSD NAS, it doesn't overheat. It does have moments when the fan spins up, which is when it executes automated snapshots and backups via CRON.
<zorz_>
remiliascarlet: SiFuh_: is a destroyer... abuser of systems
<zorz_>
heh
<zorz_>
'lo farkuhar forget the #crux-musl and do a channel #crux-init
<zorz_>
hahahahahahaha
<remiliascarlet>
If #crux-musl ends up becoming its own distro, then maybe the channel name will become something else.
<zorz_>
let me install wg-tools, i need a greek ip asap
<remiliascarlet>
It's funny how we went from Jue telling us to fuck off to making a MUSL-based CRUX spin/flavor, to turning it into its own distro altogether in a matter of a year or so.
<zorz_>
i hope they work
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Heh he was a friend of old Stanley Kirk Burell
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Robert Matthew Van Winkle was a friend of Stanley Kirk Burell
<remiliascarlet>
"The core parts of the system are locked down to prevent unwanted changes and corruption from third-party applications or a faulty update." You will own nothing and be happy.
<zorz_>
be back
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<SiFuh_>
Be SiFuh
<remiliascarlet>
BeOS.
<SiFuh_>
I used BeOS for awhile on one of my office computers back in early 2K
<remiliascarlet>
Now it lives on as Haiku, although it has become more like yet another Unix clone in a desperate attempt to have more application support.
<remiliascarlet>
Similar to AROS in a way.
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<remiliascarlet>
There's also ArcaOS, which is a spiritual successor to OS/2.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: For me. If I can write programs, code, play music, watch movies, browse internet, use Telegram, IRC and check emails. Then I am fine with that.
<zorz_>
ok it was fast.... only to add %wheel in sudoers
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: sudo is for amateurs
<remiliascarlet>
zorz_: Sudo? You still use that bloat?
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: Sudo is for people who love security holes.
<SiFuh_>
Heh, sounds like a guy who goes to the brothel.
<remiliascarlet>
"The printf function for the addition of 'colour' is not correct." They probably thought, "let's Europify scripts".
<zorz_>
and i need to port udns in crux i forgot that
<zorz_>
fuck so many things
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: And the colour is sourced from an rc.functions script
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: as we say LG /etc/rc
<zorz_>
hahahahahaha
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: beerman basically overstepped his job as a port maintainer and started fucking with CRUX itself and turned it into some childish fucking thing
<SiFuh_>
with poorly written code
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: So you install CRUX via Calamaris now?
<zorz_>
hahaahahahaha
<zorz_>
Calamaris!!!!!
<zorz_>
this will be Crux-3.9
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<zorz_>
what i dont understand,,, is why they dont give the init of crux to ukky to build one?
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Because it would make sense. This world doesn't operate on common sense
<zorz_>
i mean.... i dont blame beerman,,, but... you have someone that really knows and can give you an init system with shae caliber as pkgutils.... why not.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: It should have been reviewed by others who understand real shell scripting and not just blindly pushed
<zorz_>
like the nftables yesterday with podman
<zorz_>
fuckin hell
<SiFuh_>
nftables shouldn't be in core anyway
<zorz_>
i dont care about core or not.... the point is we dont have init
<zorz_>
hahaha
<SiFuh_>
Bit rich come from you. "I don't care, it works" -- zorz_ That is basically what the CRUX init system is now. BROKEN.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Did you try sinit? I was looking into that the other day
<ukky>
zorz_: if you don't like any components that I used from busybox, you can use whatever you prefer. eudev, for example, instead of mdev.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Also fence is hold. Have a problem. Those quartz stones in the concrete as small as they are, are stopping dyna bolts from fitting. a 10mm hole is now 12mm because when I tighten it the concrete just rips apart. So I am going to use a chemical resin and some threaded bars.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: let me check my notes.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I went to the only shop that sells what I want and this is how it went https://dpaste.com/4KRK9UBNV.txt So now I have no choice but to wait for it arrive by online order through the post.
<zorz_>
ukky send me links to download you runnit please
<zorz_>
its 2-3 packages... runit runit-services
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I'd prefer to stick with the BSD init system of scripts. Just they need to be re-written correctly
<zorz_>
when they will write them coorectly i will change, for now runit
<zorz_>
i have important things to do, BTC does trampolino again :P
<SiFuh_>
Oh I am not putting the beerman shit into MUSL when I am done with it. I will do the rewrite if I choose to stick with CRUX.
<zorz_>
up down, down-up
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I think I will do a full re-write and re-working of CRUX-MUSL if I do. Will need our own ports repos though because the core CRUX repo is bullshit.
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<SiFuh_>
I will need to harass emmett1, farkuhar, ukky and remiliascarlet though for ideas
<zorz_>
I am sure they are more than happy to contribute
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Also if I do go ahead. opt is going to /usr, contrib to /usr/local and *-bin to /usr/opt
<SiFuh_>
But the /etc will be universal not like FreeBSD abomination of using /etc /usr/etc and /usr/local/etc
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<SiFuh_>
zorz_: seems dlcusa_ and SiFuh_ are huge fans of the _
<SiFuh_>
Oh wait, forget that.
<zorz_>
_ of what? _ ?
<SiFuh_>
Small minds think of mney
<SiFuh_>
money*
<zorz_>
hobby
<ukky>
SiFuh_: no notes about sinit, but I analyzed every rocks/sucks SW on suckless.org
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I will need to use money in June for the wife's wedding anniversary
<SiFuh_>
ukky: chinarulezzz was a big fan of sinit.
<zorz_>
sinit is a german product
<zorz_>
only soviet products plz
<SiFuh_>
kwort then zorz_
<zorz_>
falken folker fucker how is his name
<zorz_>
Rich Felker's minimal init.
<SiFuh_>
falken folker fucker farkuhar
<zorz_>
hahahaha
<ukky>
it seems sinit depends on external packages (daemontools) to load daemons.
<zorz_>
correct!
<zorz_>
yes which i dont like
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I wasn't asking you. I was asking ukky :-P
<zorz_>
why to use daemon tools since you have runit
<ukky>
runit is minimal enough, but also handles daemons.
<SiFuh_>
But it has a flaw
<SiFuh_>
It will constantly start a failed daemon. And unless you didn't notice it will loop indefinately.
<SiFuh_>
In the beginning was the REASON, and the REASON was with God, and the REASON was God.
<zorz_>
λογιψ
<zorz_>
logic
<zorz_>
logízomai means thinking
<zorz_>
in order to understand greek you need to spell them, everything derive from something
<SiFuh_>
Λόγος
<zorz_>
also means I guarantee
<zorz_>
i give me logo
<zorz_>
i give my logo
<SiFuh_>
Reason sounds better that guarantee though
<SiFuh_>
In the beginning was the guarantee, and the guarantee was with God, and the guarantee was God.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: ῥήματα and Λόγος are not the same right? Ancient Greek
<zorz_>
not at all ρηματα is plural of ρημα which means something like word
<zorz_>
so refer to ρηματα like words.
<zorz_>
verbs something
<SiFuh_>
My brother is pissing me off zorz. He is demanding that both you and I are incorrect and that ρηματα and Λόγος are exactly the same because the English version says it is.
<farkuhar>
zorz_: Your play on words in #crux-musl (starting with falken) triggered for me a memory of the movie War Games (1983). It took longer to recall the name of the film than to recall the Falken character himself.
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: ask him what drugs he is using.... i need to also try them, and offer some to beerman! :P
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I can't figure out why he is so damned sure the KJV bible is perfect. He clearly has zero understanding about different languages. And yet you and I speak many languages and we know that they cannot be translated into English directly because it doesn't work
<SiFuh_>
Yeah sometimes it is pointless talking with him
<zorz_>
seeing dependancies... of ntp daemons... chrony is bloated... and alpine defaults to chromy
<zorz_>
openntpd or ntpsec are okay
<zorz_>
[zorz@vbox ~]$ prt-get isinst gnutls
<zorz_>
package gnutls is not installed
<zorz_>
only openssl... beauty of crux :P
<ukky>
zorz_: on my system ntp.org lines are commented out. dhcpcd adds entry with 'server' and my router's IP. Router gets NTP server from ISP if I remember it right.
<zorz_>
yes dhcpcd has this ability
<zorz_>
crux uses rdate from leah
<zorz_>
has a cron script
<zorz_>
ukky your 1 runit script has a lot of work man
<ukky>
zorz_: /etc/cron/daily/rdate is commented-out on my system
<zorz_>
heh
<zorz_>
hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
rdate in cron is actually a good idea
<ukky>
Properly working ntpd is better than rdate
<zorz_>
i dont know, i will give a try ntpsec
<zorz_>
just from curiosity
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I use ntpd. It just does what it is suppose to
<zorz_>
sifuh which one? isc-ntpd, openntpd ?
<SiFuh_>
openntpd
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: You forget I use OpenBSD?
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: No kiddie beerman mods here.
<zorz_>
hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: What really pisses me off is that beerman had a huge row with stenur because HE was not satisified when stenurs Pkgfile. Then beerman just edits the init system for CRUX like an amateur.
<zorz_>
in my crux installation now, other than neovim and not vim i only have these: nnn ack3 aria2 brightnessctl dwm-6.5 fzy mplayer netcat p5-file-next udevil
<zorz_>
udns, masscan and wireshark-cli to come.
<SiFuh_>
udevil is not good. It's for lazy people. Write your own script and learn to run the script
<zorz_>
udevil i like :P
<zorz_>
and netcat the nc110 _Hobbit_
<SiFuh_>
I like my scripts, 100% written by me, each drive has a custom script. Encrypted or not. And all I do is doas ./MUCORMYCOSIS.sh -m to mount it doas ./MUCORMYCOSIS.sh -u umount it and doas ./MUCORMYCOSIS.sh -f (Encrypted drives) to force umount it safely.
<zorz_>
oooo i need nsxiv to see SiFuh_'s photoes :P
<zorz_>
firefox can do that
<SiFuh_>
I use feh
<zorz_>
i know
<zorz_>
maybe xli
<zorz_>
xli minimal
<SiFuh_>
Heh I still use MC as my file manager and emacs
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: you know what was the problem with greek in xterm hahahahhahahaahahah
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: You because you are Greek?
<zorz_>
i did not start uxterm
<zorz_>
hahahahahahahaha
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Well I don't have a problem with it and I ain't Greek. But it displays Greek for me
<zorz_>
before i need to install grub cause for sure i will fuck it :P
<zorz_>
fuckit it wants skalibs
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Aunt Sally is not vaccinated. But I was thinking about something. This council by-law stating you must register pet dogs and cats. What if Aunt Sally isn't a pet dog? But by federal law, I can't beat, scare, starve, or kill a dog. So if a dog decided to live with me and I don't feed it, then I am accountable by law if I try to kick it out or let it starve. So I feed it and it stays.
<SiFuh_>
Now I am accountable under council by-laws that I must register this dog as a pet? Not only that, I must pay to get it injected with many different poisons to protect it. Who are they kidding? Oh no! This elephant just decided to sit on my front lawn, now I am breaking the law for having an unregistered elephant on my property.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: It's as stupid as the Japanese knife laws.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Or even worse. Drink driving laws. They copy the system of a breath test. But even if you blow not over the limit it is under the discression of the officer whether or not you are drunk. Like what? Then why bother with the test?