<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: "What do you think of these distro names?" Fucking Small Linux. To give some people a nostalgia boner to Damn Small Linux.
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<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Instant ban from dev status for breaking the constitution. Then reviewed by others as to whether or not they should be reinstated
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: "Fucking Damn Small Linux"
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: What is this rc thing you were talking about?
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<dlcusa>
How can users enforce a vote of no confidence other than by individually abandoning use of and maintaining good will toward the distro?
<dlcusa>
s/maintaining/not maintaining/
<SiFuh_>
A vote
<dlcusa>
Votes is meaningless without the power to enforce them.
<dlcusa>
s/is/are/
<dlcusa>
I should go back to bed.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Yeah, because we are talking about if we create our own distro
<zorz_>
?
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: enlighten me
<SiFuh_>
[04 12 16] [zorz_> they change yesterday to old rc
<dlcusa>
Developers must be committed to supporting the majority of the users.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Yes, we are discussing how to stop people like beerman hijacking our distro and getting away with ignoring the users. Hence a set of rules, a constitution and if it gets broken by any dev, the dev is stripped of status. Then of course there can be a vote.
<zorz_>
wait to double check do a remove pkgrm rc
<zorz_>
and reinstall
<zorz_>
i think they change to the old /etc/rc
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I can't. I don't use CRUX
<zorz_>
i will do
<zorz_>
wait
<SiFuh_>
Better hurry then, because I am about to start angle grinding steel
<dlcusa>
I think that might work, SiFuh.
<zorz_>
[zorz@host ~]$ doas pkgrm rc
<zorz_>
[zorz@host ~]$ doas prtwash -a -p
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<SiFuh_>
zorz reboots and then realises he has no init. Hahaha
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<SiFuh_>
Well, I've no time to wait. I am leaving
<dlcusa>
Farkuhar, I agree devs need a majority of users to approve becoming a dev, but the dev can still go rogue.
<zorz_>
yes is the old /etc/rc
<zorz_>
dlcusa: majority is not always correct... look Trump :P
<dlcusa>
That's a matter of opinion. No president has been totally bad or totally good.
<zorz_>
I am not speaking about good/bad... I am saying he says I will do this, and then backs off.
<SiFuh_>
The US needs a dictator to come in, fix the broken system and then step down to allow the US to return under the constitution and president
<dlcusa>
Dogmatism has its drawbacks.
<SiFuh_>
Like dictators were originally suppose to do. Not the modern versions
<SiFuh_>
zorz: I am still waiting for arrests to be made. All this corruption and no one arrested?
<zorz_>
not enouph prisons:P
<zorz_>
hahahaha
<dlcusa>
Yes, that is an interesting point, SiFuh.
<dlcusa>
It is unreasonable to expect to find angelic career politicians. All have to excel at horsetrading.
<zorz_>
heh
<dlcusa>
Many are horse thieves, of course.
<zorz_>
dlcusa: its a problem in general for example lately companies for basic work if they to choose to employee between someone over 55 or someone over 25 they choose the 55 option and the reason is simple: because they simply work.
<zorz_>
young gen now, they hit tattoos they put the face on the mobile device and they think they know or they think they work. plus are to sensitive.
<dlcusa>
That's a failure of education that's mostly the fault of parents, though professional education is seriously culpable.
<dlcusa>
The US has lost one, maybe two generations for all intents and purposes. If AI doesn't start doing all the work really soon...
<zorz_>
Ihave rights, in this life you have no rights, you only right is to vote and vote well :P
<zorz_>
dlcusa: not only usa
<dlcusa>
I refrain from disparaging other nations--their citizens can do that.
<zorz_>
Flinn of blackrock in interview... we kick immigrants out okay. 70% of workers in agriculture are immigrants. 40% in construction. who is going to work ?
<dlcusa>
Is does feel like that was the plan.
<dlcusa>
s/Is/It/
<zorz_>
I think no plan man..... the ship is cruising in autopilot
<dlcusa>
You think the 0.001 percenters are hands off?
<dlcusa>
Soros sure isn't.
<zorz_>
look, as long as the economies in Latin America are fucked up... USA is okay. if Argentina, Brazil etc in future will have strong currency... USA may forget the dream.
<zorz_>
man you did not have eggs.... you import from countries like Turky
<zorz_>
Turkey
<zorz_>
something is wrong with the people on the wheel of USA
<dlcusa>
That's thanks to good ole Joe Biden.
<zorz_>
its not only biden... what they server in media. is the system
<zorz_>
Presidents change... the system stays.
<dlcusa>
The easiest answer is they've been paid to support these terrible ideas, that they care only for their own well-being, or that they have been persuaded their lives are forfeit if they do not.
<zorz_>
dlcusa: america now is like crux, many beermans
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: yesterday you said the magic word
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<SiFuh_>
Actually it goes way back before Biden. I mean the reintroduction of racism was done by Obama. Clintons fscked up everything as well.
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<SiFuh_>
ukky: This resin says "it may cause organ damage (hearing organ)" Where are they putting it?
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: you said the magic word yesterday, emmet1
<SiFuh_>
I thought I said emmett1
<zorz_>
venom runit
<zorz_>
zorz runs runit
<zorz_>
beerman may continue mustarbate with crux :P
<SiFuh_>
Well, if we do decide to go for a new distro then runit could be on the tables and probably would require a vote
<zorz_>
last september he update it runit
<SiFuh_>
But I think remiliascarlet and I would vote for BSD style init scripts.
<zorz_>
g poppe
<zorz_>
runit runs smooth :P
<SiFuh_>
emmett1, ukky and you would probably vote for runit. All that is left is farkuhar and dlcusa
<SiFuh_>
I am aware. I used runit for a few years
<zorz_>
man runit boots the system... right now i connected to the internet with /etc/rc.d/net start till i make a service
<SiFuh_>
Okay, as soon as this beer is done, I am going to put resin in my ears and shove Rebars in them to see if I get hearing damage
<zorz_>
hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
You know what I am referring to zorz_?
<zorz_>
man the guy masturbates big time.... i think he is using MANUAL :P
<zorz_>
manual... mastubation
<zorz_>
enlighten me :P
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I am going to inject resin into concrete drilled holes and insert threaded rods for the fence I am building. I took liberty of reading the 'destructions' on the tube and it said "May cause organ damage (hearing organ)". So it makes me wonder how? Are their people actually injecting it in their ears?
<zorz_>
best runit is ukky... but he is on busybox mdev
<zorz_>
man in USA at first Trump presidency ... Trump said clorox kills covid and people start drinkin bleach.... what you tell me now!
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I like the concept of busybox. I don't really like busybox itself.
<zorz_>
away from me.... gnu is okay for me.... not all but gnu is okay
<SiFuh_>
I thought he said 'chlorine' and it was taken out of context by libtards and people who are dumb and beleive it like libtards
<zorz_>
hahahahaha
<zorz_>
ΧΛΩΡΙΝΗ is the greek name Clorine... the Η always in english is E
<SiFuh_>
Back later. Resin time
<zorz_>
enjoy man
<zorz_>
ΗΛΙΟΣ = Helios
<zorz_>
sun
<ppetrov^>
from helium
<zorz_>
heheheh
<zorz_>
bonjour ppetrov^
<zorz_>
How Do You Do?
<ppetrov^>
installing crux 3.8
<zorz_>
hahahaa
<zorz_>
waitting for the old /etc/rc
<zorz_>
?
<ppetrov^>
i don't know what you mean
<zorz_>
beerman introduced new version of /etc/rc which messed up the boot
<zorz_>
and then they change it back
<ppetrov^>
will it boot after install?
<zorz_>
with problems
<ppetrov^>
or should I do prt-get sysup immediatelly after installation, before rebooting?
<ppetrov^>
the fuck
<zorz_>
no you are fine
<ppetrov^>
am I?
<zorz_>
just carry normally
<ppetrov^>
so, why are you telling me this
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<zorz__>
ppetrov^: sorry i am changing from sysvinit to runit... and i reboot
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<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: I don't see them changing it back to the old rc. But if you notice it has no colour, let me know.
<SiFuh_>
I think zorz could be mistaken about that.
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: That's if you update it. I never saw an rc update or downgrade in #crux.
<zorz__>
SiFuh_: now i deleted them
<zorz__>
pkgrm sysvinit
<zorz__>
pkgrm rc
<zorz__>
and i was lucky to remember to ln -s /sbin/runit-init /sbin/init
<zorz__>
once more, cause pkgrm sysvinit removed it
<zorz__>
hahaha
<zorz__>
nothing can hide from pkgrm
<SiFuh_>
Linux Kernel?
<zorz__>
6.12 is amazing now i am with 6.12.23
<zorz__>
void is with
<zorz__>
┌──[zorz@vbox]─[/]
<zorz__>
└──╼ $ uname -r
<zorz__>
6.12.21_1
<zorz__>
21 on hold
<zorz__>
ooooooooooooooo SiFuh_ you mean the kernel hides ahahaha
<SiFuh_>
zorz__: Linux kernel sucks. They release a new version when they modify a comment.
<zorz__>
they show activity.... how to prove they deserve the money to microsoft?
<zorz__>
heh
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: "But if you notice it has no colour, let me know." <- Expect a lot of spam, then, because they ship a default rc.conf with USE_COLOR=false.
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<farkuhar>
As for the cruxbot notifications (or lack thereof, when it comes to core/rc), I was wondering whether they took advantage of the crux.nu downtime to sneak in some last-minute fixes that wouldn't be reported in the #crux channel.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Yeah I saw that in #crux when ppetrov^ was asking about it in #crux. But that is rc.conf. I am more interested in rc because I don't beleive or have seen evidence to coroborate what zorz was saying about them reverting back to the old rc. If they had, then why the fuck would tim have said "pretty much what the name suggests, ppetrov^"
<farkuhar>
But even if a last-minute fix escaped the awareness of cruxbot, it would have left a trace, in an altered checksum or git history (under tools/rc or ports/core/rc). So far I don't see any evidence of zorz's claim that they reverted to the old rc.
<ppetrov^>
where are these colours supposed to be?
<ppetrov^>
i put that to true and see no difference
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: Read the mess that is /etc/rc these days (after the 2.32 -> 2.33 "upgrade")
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: /etc/rc /etc/rc.function or functions
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: beerman mutilated the /etc/rc with bad code.
<SiFuh_>
It was so bad I thought zorz wrote it.
<ppetrov^>
well, i do not know what it is and I probably lack the knowledge to understand what's so bad about it
<SiFuh_>
Since CRUX has existed, the /etc/rc is meticulously scrutinized to make sure it follows form perfectly. But since 3.8 and beermans abomination, the standards seemed to have collapsed.
<SiFuh_>
It seems that letting beerman run wild and loose like a chicken with his head cut off, he has turned the very core foundations of CRUX into a dog's breakfast.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh_, have you told these things to the devs?
<SiFuh_>
And the fact that nothing has actually been done to remedy it, shows the lack of care or respect the devs have for producing a good release and their anomosity towards the users is much more noticeable
<SiFuh_>
YES
<SiFuh_>
animosity*
<ppetrov^>
heh
<ppetrov^>
so, do I have to do anything about all that?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: And it fell under deaf ears or blind eyes.
<ppetrov^>
have you an improved version of rc?
<SiFuh_>
Well, no, because you said you don't understand it. So you are in the clear.
<ppetrov^>
heh
<ppetrov^>
does it work?
<SiFuh_>
Yes the original.
<ppetrov^>
i am installing some stuff on 3.8, when I am done I will take a look, got curious
<ppetrov^>
i am on another computer at the moment, running 3.7
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Yes but I also want to see if it reverts back to the original version when you do a ports -u
<ppetrov^>
farkuhar, i am speed reading
<SiFuh_>
I think it is nice under rc.conf that we have the ability to disable it. But I dislike that rc.functions even exists. It is now an unnessary junk file for those who don't use colour.
<SiFuh_>
It could have been shoved in to the rc file instead.
<ppetrov^>
btw, i did not get any colours
<SiFuh_>
Me too
<ppetrov^>
where was i supposed to see colours?
<ppetrov^>
i like colours!
<SiFuh_>
I get bold white. That is all. So it doesn't work in general
<ppetrov^>
bold white was there even with colours set to false
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: When your system boots up and it starts running rc. Your entries under rc.conf
<farkuhar>
Hahaha, I can imagine a traditionalist who writes a pkgadd.conf rule "INSTALL ^etc/rc.functions$ NO" and then gets an error during startup, when /etc/rc tries to source a nonexistent file.
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: if you haven't noticed, IRC posts tend to go in one ear and out the other. The best way to get their attention is to open a Gitea issue, it seems. We're waiting for zorz to work up the courage to do that.
<ppetrov^>
isn't it better that if statements that have a check suck as !, be in square brackets?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Nope
<ppetrov^>
why dont you do it yourself?
<SiFuh_>
I don't use CRUX
<ppetrov^>
ah
<farkuhar>
If they see a ticket opened by someone who writes code as atrociously as zorz, then they'll know how bad the problem is.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Hehehe
<ppetrov^>
why are you criticising zorz so much
<SiFuh_>
Because he writes bad code
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: And when you tell him there is a problem and should be fixed with his code he says "It works, I don't care"
<SiFuh_>
So he earned the position to be teased and used as a reference :-P
<ppetrov^>
if you guys knew R, I suppose you would be bashing me, as well
<farkuhar>
How would we know it was you who deserved bashing? Don't your scientific papers have co-authors who could share some of the blame?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Well that depends. If we did know R and saw your code and told you that it should be written this way and not your way, would you look into it or would you go zorz mode and say you don't care, it just works?
<ppetrov^>
i would look into it, as I do when my boss gives me hints and corrections
<ppetrov^>
after all, we published a paper, so, yes
<SiFuh_>
So you don't get teased like we tease zorz because you didn't earn the position to be teased
<ppetrov^>
yet
<ppetrov^>
heh
<SiFuh_>
I look at some of my old code and think to myself "How fucking dumb am I? Why the hell would I do it that way?" Hahaha
<farkuhar>
I don't think I've actually scrutinized zorz's code to the same extent that SiFuh has. Doesn't zorz develop crypto trading apps in python? I don't have much familiarity with that domain, unfortunately.
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: farkuhar: Actually we could replace zorz with beerman now if beerman has refused to fix his shit code.
<ppetrov^>
so, is beerman the leader of the devs team?
<ppetrov^>
you guys seem to talk mainly about him
<SiFuh_>
Hmm somehow my fluxbox menu for slock stopped working. I just checked it and it says slock and slock.sh
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: He may as well be since none of the devs have the balls to stand up to beerman
<farkuhar>
The timeline for core issue #17 illustrates beerman's ambivalent response to criticism of his port maintenance. First he closes it as a non-issue, then he reopens it, assigns it to himself, and leaves a dismissive comment that stenur should get with the times and accept 54-MB tarballs.
<farkuhar>
stenur is one user who's not afraid to stand up to beerman, opening new tickets to highlight the mistakes in core ports. Unfortunately stenur is no longer on the dev team.
<SiFuh_>
Sounds like someone from a third world country. You give them a sollution for the problem and they turn you down saying it is ridiculous. Then 3 months later they say the sollution to the problem is (Which is exactly your solution. And now they get full credit for the idea and not you. I actually told my boss watch and remember what happens because I see it often. And one day he came up to me and said
<SiFuh_>
"Yes, I see it! He shit on your idea then waited 3 months to introduce it and take full credit for it"
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: beerman seems to have an intense hatred towards stenur
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Beerman is the owner of this repository? WTF
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: You asked about enclosing a test in square brackets. Shells that do not have [ as a builtin command, can always rely on /usr/bin/[ which has similar semantics as /usr/bin/test. But dash and bash (the interpreter of /etc/rc) are quite capable of performing such tests without spawning an external process.
<ppetrov^>
thanks farkuhar
<ppetrov^>
i remember stenur, he got kicked out
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh_, said beerman abused him verbally or sth
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: No he didn't get kicked out
<SiFuh_>
But he had is core status removed
<ppetrov^>
ah
<SiFuh_>
He'd been working as a dev for years. Then not long after beerman was upgraded to core/opt he had stenur booted off the team
<farkuhar>
So stenur is no longer able to push commits to any of the official repositories. But he's perfectly free to open Gitea issues, and he does so regularly.
<SiFuh_>
But if you watch what beerman is doing and following his time line. He gets core/opt, dumps hundreds of ports. removes stenur from the dev team. Dumps all the old systems and introduces a new git system that he has 100% control over. Now he is messing with shit he has no business fucking with. This looks like a take over.
<ppetrov^>
"power is taken, not given"
<SiFuh_>
Hmmm, but I have the power to do a shit. I didn't take that power
<SiFuh_>
Hahaha
<farkuhar>
pitillo recently opened a bunch of Gitea issues in contrib/3.8, most of them related to python3 footprint mismatches. But then he retracted these claims and the issues were closed. I wish they had stayed open, giving us a venue to discuss the "junk" files like LICENSE, METADATA and INSTALLER that get installed under /usr/lib/python3.12/*site-data/.
<SiFuh_>
Quick vote. Who uses fdisk, cfdisk or parted when installing CRUX?
<SiFuh_>
Actually I might spam that in MUSl
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh_, I do
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: What? ALL of them?
<ppetrov^>
fdisk and cfdisk
<SiFuh_>
Okay so 2 for cfdisk and 2 for fdisk.
<farkuhar>
I agree with zorz, we don't need these discussions to be fragmented across so many different channels. Even the KISS Linux users manage to get away with *one* IRC channel for all their needs: bug reports, distro planning, and general chatter.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Yes, and if we do decided to go ahead with outlaw linux, I will create a gitlab and an #outlaw-linux channel on irc.
<farkuhar>
While KISS Linux is lacking in redundancy for real-time conversation, they more then compensate by encouraging each user to fork the official repositories and take responsibility for their own updates. None of this centralized ownership where one rogue dev can commandeer the distro.
<SiFuh_>
Interesting
<farkuhar>
s/more then/more than/
<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: /usr/bin/test and /usr/bin/[ are just like any other command, returning an exit status (zero or nonzero) to indicate the result of the test (success or failure). Prefacing the test with a ! is no different than inverting the exit status of any other command.
<farkuhar>
The main difference between /usr/bin/[ and /usr/bin/test (and their equivalent implementations as shell builtins) is that the former requires a closing square bracket, while the latter keeps reading its arguments until reaching a newline or a semicolon.
<farkuhar>
The common idiom of placing "then" on the same line as the opening "if" is facilitated by the semicolon as command separator. It's also perfectly legitimate to separate these commands with a newline, placing "if" right above "then" in your script.
<SiFuh_>
So what if then is infront of if then? Then what would happen if then is after if then?
<farkuhar>
Coming from a language like R, you might be accustomed to parentheses enclosing the condition, and braces enclosing the command block that gets executed when the condition is satisfied. Historically, Bourne shells (as opposed to C shells) preferred to enclose their command blocks with word pairs (if ... fi), not by braces or parentheses.
<farkuhar>
On my clean installation of CRUX-MUSL 3.8, I haven't bothered to install R. It's actually possible to do a fair bit of data science (on TSV or CSV files, at least) using standard Unix text processing utilities: cut, sort, grep, wc, head, tail, awk.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I asked ChatGPT 3 simple questions about the Great Wall of China. And it went fscking nuts. Like overly excited like I had broken the Guniess book of records
<SiFuh_>
Even used "Yo" in its reply
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: This is repsonse to my last part. 1) I asked why the doors are not on the Chinese side and on the Mongolian side. 2) I asked why it has European design and not Chinese. 3) Then I said I don't think it was a border wall or a wall for protection but a trade route, a highway. https://dpaste.com/CL93N8BYM#wrap
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<farkuhar>
ppetrov^: zorz_ has left.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: you just told ppetrov^ that zorz_ has left
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: ppetrov^ just told r0ni that he did a good job packaging xfce4
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Yeah I saw
<SiFuh_>
I thought it was a bit gay to be honest
<SiFuh_>
"You did a great job. Thank you for this." <-- this part
<farkuhar>
Who knows how it would sound in his native Bulgarian? Maybe some gayness got injected during translation.
<SiFuh_>
I'd have said something more like r0ni: Just installed your XFCE4 on CRUX 3.8. Cheers! Works flawlessly.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Yeah, I was thinking just that before.
<farkuhar>
Speaking of injecting new connotations through translation, I'd like to see some of ppetrov^s R code (those that process CSV or TSV files) translated into POSIX sh. Give the (ChatGPT-generated?) translations to a shell script guru like emmett1 or therealfun, and ask for their opinions.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Got asked why I was building a fence between my house and the wife's parents today. I said "I am building a wall to keep those damn Chinese out" Hahahahaha
<ppetrov^>
sounded gay?
<SiFuh_>
ppetrov^: Yeah, the way it was structured sounded like pandering
<SiFuh_>
All good, you are not a native English speaker, so don't worry
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: ChatGPT sucks are code. I spend more time telling it to restructure, clean it up, shorter formations, you missed this part, and so on... than it would be for me to just write it myself. Tried it a fews times.
<SiFuh_>
are/at
<SiFuh_>
To this day, still never used any of its code because it is poorly written and full of errors.
<SiFuh_>
If it was good at it. I'd be using it a lot. But saddly it isn't
<SiFuh_>
I even got it to convert CKUT into ansi C and it failed miserably
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: https://brighteon.ai/Home/ Suppose to be ready 6 months ago. Then again last month. Still not done... I am waiting for it.
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh_, I am not worried, but you did a great job explaining it. Thank you for this.
<farkuhar>
Why am I hearing echoes of the part that SiFuh explicitly quoted as "a bit gay"? ("You did a great job. Thank you for this.")
<ppetrov^>
:P
<ppetrov^>
a great observation, farkuhar! Thank you for this.
<SiFuh_>
Hehe
<SiFuh_>
fark u farkuhar
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<ukky>
SiFuh_: manufacturer put a note on resin product label to avoid legal troubles when some dumb f*ck actually puts that resin in ears
<SiFuh_>
ukky: HAHAHAHA
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I should censor my swearing. Hmm got it.
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<zorz_>
yooooooooooo
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: is right... void linux are cunts
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I know. I called them a channel full of wankers after I helped someone with a keyboard problem. Got insulted by the Void beermen who then tried to help the guy even though the problem had been solved by me.
<remiliascarlet>
zorz_: The Void moderation team even talks to their community as if they've had the worst day ever every single day. So not really people you'd enjoy talking to.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: You know humanity has fallen if you show a photo of my cat looking at a whole dead rabbit, and people get outraged at it. So, getting mad at showing an obligate carnivore meat...
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: I am surprised he doubted me ;-P
<zorz_>
yeah
<zorz_>
at this point i must join #crux and thank beerman.
<zorz_>
if you wasnt fuckin /etc/rc... i was lazy to install runit
<zorz_>
hahahahaha
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Hah. I was shouting at the TV today. This dumb woman in Alone Australia caught a Wallaby. She the spends minutes talking shit about how she didn't want to catch it but it got caught in her trap that she designed for it. Then decides to club it with a stone 3 times. Then cries about it. Then the screen shows "In Australia contestants are required to monitor traps regulary to make sure
<SiFuh_>
animals that are caught do not suffer and are killed humanely" (Something like that) I was shouting "HUMANELY? You just stoned its head 3 times! You f*cking amateur!" and then cries about it for 5 more minutes while I am screaming at the screen. "F*scking gut it! It is dead. It is rotting" Then she is decided where to do the skinning. "F*scking skin it you f*scking idiot!"
<remiliascarlet>
So in Australia, you have traps? Degenerates!
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Too many rules. I tend to hunt by hand. But if it is larger, I used my Tanto to kill it
<zorz_>
Australians are out of the 3rd world, look at SiFuh_
<SiFuh_>
And hunting is actually forbidden in Australia. So you need specific times and specific animals and a licence if you will hunt a particular huntable species
<remiliascarlet>
That's even stricter than Japan.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Yes, that is why I left. corporations and governments can slaughter thousands of animals but citzens can't because it is inhumane
<remiliascarlet>
Here you can get a hunters license, and there is a list of species you can hunt, but it doesn't matter which one you hunt down as long as it's not an endangered species.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Feral cats, feral dogs and wild pigs are allowed to be hunted any time of the year. And yes. I have taken boars down with only hands... But they are mean mother fuckers. You get it right, flight, find the nearest tree and hope to god you scale it.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: I watched that video of a Japanese man catching a wild pig with ropes and ratchet straps. Lots of complaints about inhumane way of catching it and killing it. A pig that size in Australia usually just gets shot. But there a couple of us (Me included) That will actually take it down by hand if you can catch it.
<SiFuh_>
Not sure if I could do that today though. Being old and all.
<remiliascarlet>
If you make it so difficult to get a gun, then you'll have to find other ways of hunting a boar down if you don't want to get through the whole process of getting a hunters license or gun license..
<remiliascarlet>
Most people who want to have a gun opt for a hunters license, because then at least you can actually use that gun.
<zorz_>
the only good package beerman build is neovim... he does not link it to system libraries heh maybe he cant
<remiliascarlet>
zorz_: If you have made anything at all in C or C++, you'll know that you can link to whichever system libraries.
<zorz_>
check the pkgfile
<zorz_>
it runs good with bundled libuv lpeg etc etc
<remiliascarlet>
zorz_: Go home, you're drunk.
<zorz_>
check the pkgfile
<remiliascarlet>
I did.
<remiliascarlet>
Which is why I said you're drunk.
<remiliascarlet>
If it lists .so files, it's not static.
<zorz_>
neovim does not work without libuv
<zorz_>
this is cool....
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: It is easy to get a gun in Australia. That bullshit Port Arthur Massacred in Australia that was used by the UN to get AU to confiscate guns, never ever tells you the facts. More people in AU own guns than before Port Arthur.
<SiFuh_>
Yet they use Australian Gun Confiscation as an example to the world that by disarming citizens you won't get mass shootings anymore.
<SiFuh_>
USA on the other hand needs to eradicate and abolish the left because they are constantly doing mass shootings to try convince the Americans that guns are the cause of it. But actually it is the far left that is the cause. Eradicate them and watch gun violence plummet.
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<remiliascarlet>
Look at how that went in the UK. They took away the guns, and citizens resorted to knifes. Once the knifes are gone, they'll most likely start throwing stones.
<remiliascarlet>
Before you know it the British government starts cutting off everybody's arms and legs, because eventually everyone resorts to martial arts.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Yeah long before Babylon Bee. A guy wrote a satirical story about Australia banning knives and tennis balls. What's next? Sticks and stones?
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<remiliascarlet>
A Bluesky user in a Twitch live stream just said something wise, very unexpected from a Bluesky user. He said that he won't participate in the culture war, because all that is is a psyop by the elites to prevent a class war. So instead of it being a war of citizens vs the elites, it's a war of citizens vs fellow citizens.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: By the way, is there any merit in compiling OpenBSD from source if you don't modify its source code?
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<SiFuh_>
prevent <-- wrong word remiliascarlet
<SiFuh_>
Distract <-- from the citizens taking a piece of the so called self appointed 'elite'
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: But yes, pretty good of that Bluesky dude. As I mentioned above. This was Obama's doing.
<remiliascarlet>
We almost had a class war through occupy Wall Street, that's when all the political correctness, wokeness, and censorship started.
<SiFuh_>
Obama came into power and then reignited the race wars. Fight amongst the races. But it didn't work. So they imported many foreigners to try push it. Actually it goes way deeper but you probably know about that already. It was suppose to be Christian vs Islam to death move.
<remiliascarlet>
Christians and Muslims can probably easily be friends. Even though they have their differences, they also share similarities.
<SiFuh_>
They should be
<SiFuh_>
Most of my friends are Muslims.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: If you ever come here, you will see that 80% is Muslim 19% is Hindu and 1% are Ching Chongs. Hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
That is my friends base here.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: What if I meet a Muslim Chink from India?
<SiFuh_>
1%? Hmm better make it 3 or 4 people. Hahahahahahaha
<SiFuh_>
Then you met an idiot. Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
Only an idiot or a devout person would ever convert to Islam
<SiFuh_>
You will find that most people who convert want to get into the pants of a Muslim.
<SiFuh_>
Which is actually forbidden but accepted
<remiliascarlet>
A 100% Halal idiot.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: I met a guy the other day and he said "harem" I was blown away. Hah!
<SiFuh_>
Muslims here say Halal and Non-Halal. But the words should be Halal and Harem. One person said to me "We don't say Harem because it can mean place with sex women"
<SiFuh_>
Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
It is funny because Harem is actually Haram but sounds similar to Harem.
<remiliascarlet>
"Harem" is used as a word among the Japanese anime/manga community to mean the same thing as you say.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: 斯弗 <-- Can you read this?
<remiliascarlet>
I can read, but can't really get any meaning out of it.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: It was the nickname my Japanese Sensei gave me because I slaughtered all the test that no one could pass.
<remiliascarlet>
Ah, no wonder it reads similar to "SiFuh".
<SiFuh_>
Yes. He said you are an enigma, you don't belong to this work you are 'this that cannot'.
<SiFuh_>
work/world
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: The story was a Void user had an issue with his keyboard not working. I asked what had changed and he had told me he cleaned the keyboard with water and a cloth (I think) I said somethings and told him to try another keyboard to test it out. He did and discovered his cleaning destroyed the keyboard (temporaily maybe) then the void fags tols me to shut up and I am not helping and then tried
<SiFuh_>
to assist him in fixing his software issue to do with keyboard not working. And he never replied. I called them a channel full of wankers and left.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh_: By the way, is there any merit in compiling OpenBSD from source if you don't modify its source code?
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Fun, that is all. No point otherwise. I did it back in 3.2 I think and it was troublesome because 32MB of RAM but it worked. I wouldn't bother to be honest unless you are seriously interested in if the binaries do not match (Hacked, tweaked, modified for backdoors)
<SiFuh_>
for/or
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<SiFuh_>
Heheh farkuhar Asking ChatGPT how it will defeat rogue AI robots with a list of my household goods. I bet it can't get the correct answer.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Oh my. It got everything right! On how I'd use it
<remiliascarlet>
"Hey AI, how can I destroy you?"
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: It did get some things wrong. It didn't pick up that I can turn a microwave into a magnetron gun to shoot down drones or an EMP.
<SiFuh_>
It also didn't pick up on pain, oil and sand in a balloon makes tech's worst night mare. Sand will fuck up the movement. Paint and oil can block sensors. And if it tried cleaning it the sand will scratch the screen
<remiliascarlet>
Reminds me to when Max Igan suggested that against Australian police.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah I saw that. He was speaking about Ireland or Scotland or some land. This is old common knowledge and I think knew for him. Oh he is in Australia now by the way.
<SiFuh_>
knew/new*
<remiliascarlet>
Ah, so he did return after all.
<SiFuh_>
remiliascarlet: Yes but he says he isn't staying because this is not Australia anymore. And to enhance upon that, my friends whom all have returned have left because of the same thing.