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<SiFuh_> ukky: The bolts are extra long and it is only for street driving. It should be fine. I will check it as I go. But it is only there to pass transport department check points. Off road they get removed.
<SiFuh_> I really can't understand where beerman is coming from. He introduced colours into a functioning rc script and was notified it was broken. So rather than addressing the issue says I should patch it. Like WTF man? No one asked for colour. He wanted it. Okay, then do it properly. Don't leave a mess and expect others to clean up your mess.
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<SiFuh_> remiliascarlet: Did you check out my public scene in #crux last night?
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<ppetrov^> SiFuh, I had problems with my intel's sound card, when using your modular kernel config. Rebuilt the kernel with Slackware's conf file and it works fine. Also, you left the gcc version at 12 there.
<SiFuh_> ppetrov^: No I built it on gcc version 12.
<SiFuh_> Can you find me the intel sound card difference between the two configs ppetrov^?
<ppetrov^> in a while
<SiFuh_> Or even better, dpaste that config. And dpaste your loaded modules. (Hopefulyl you loaded the modules and didn't build them in)
<ppetrov^> this is Slackware's conf
<SiFuh_> Okay will grab that now
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<SiFuh_> ukky: Took the truck for a spin. Drives well. Mudflaps did their part. Nothing even close to loose
<SiFuh_> ukky: M8 bolts with 16mm length and the riv nuts get more and more compressed the more I tighten. I was going to use LOCTITE but I need to remove them quickly.
<SiFuh_> remiliascarlet: Fscking ridiculous. Her brother-in-law invites us to dinner so whe turned up and the food was crab in sugar, bird in sugar, pig in sugar and pig in soy.
<SiFuh_> I asked "Where is the main course?" They said "This is the main course". I said "Funny, tastes a lot like dessert."
<SiFuh_> I really wanted to try that bird. But they freaking ruined it with that sugar crap
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<SiFuh_> serpente: You are here
<serpente> uha!
<SiFuh_> zorz: So lvm2 seems to have been broken under jue.
<SiFuh_> Are you able to spare a machine zorz and assist with lvm2 or teach me how to replicate this error?
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<ppetrov^> farkuhar, I fixed my wifi issue
<SiFuh_> ppetrov^: You joined #crux
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: ppetrov^: said he fixed his wifi issue. He should have said Wi-Fi.
<ppetrov^> you see, the HandBook gives as an example "/etc/wpa_supplicant-wlan0.conf", while /etc/rc.d/wpa_supplicant has "OPTS="-B -P $PID -D nl80211,wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i $DEV""
<ppetrov^> also, I changed the DEV variable to wlan0 (yes, i have the old devices names)
<ppetrov^> and finally, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf contains "ctrl_interface=/run/wpa_supplicant", so does this mean wpa_supplicant should be in /run?
<SiFuh_> Yes
<SiFuh_> It is how you establish a handshake with your router
<SiFuh_> net wlan wpa_supplicant
<ppetrov^> well, there isnt, theres wpa_supplicant.pid there
<ppetrov^> same thing?
<SiFuh_> No
<SiFuh_> Thats a PID file. to say it is running
<ppetrov^> well, I don't see a /run/wpa_supplicant
<ppetrov^> it's in /usr/sbin/
<SiFuh_> I don't know what 3.8 is doing. I am still disgusted with the rc shit. But if it is not required and called by wlan then no need to enter it.
<SiFuh_> /etc/rc.d/wpa_supplicant
<ppetrov^> setting the right conf file and device name in /etc/rc.d/wpa_supplicant works
<ppetrov^> just the handbook did not mention of it and i naively just started the daemon
<SiFuh_> Basically any service under /etc/rc.d/ can be launched in the _CORRECT_ order from /etc/rc.d
<ppetrov^> yes, i just did note xpect to have to edit it
<SiFuh_> ppetrov^: Yes and I found it way more stable than the alternatives
<ppetrov^> *on CRUX
<ppetrov^> as I said, NM in Slackware works like a charm
<ppetrov^> :P
<ppetrov^> but, I kinda like it
<SiFuh_> Understood but I see no reason to have it when you can vi/emacs it to make what ever you want
<ppetrov^> imagine you are ona hurry on a research visit abroad, carrying your laptop and you have to connect to eduroam
<ppetrov^> with NM that was a breeze, requiring no deep knowledge
<ppetrov^> i am a simple biologist, for fuck's sake, not an admin
<SiFuh_> You are talking to the guy who lived in 14 countries and was able to get internet in the most reparts of the planet through GPRS ;-)
<SiFuh_> reparts/remote parts
<ppetrov^> well, may be you are The Guy, however, I am not
<SiFuh_> Heh
<SiFuh_> You have this skill, you just need to activate it ;-)
<ppetrov^> mhm
<ppetrov^> like a transcription factor activating gene expression
<SiFuh_> No, just using cognitive abilities beyond the normal processes
<SiFuh_> ppetrov^: To be honest, I think stupidity is a choice whether it is based on laziness or anything else. Humans are a freaking machine with so much potential
<ppetrov^> heh
<ppetrov^> need to reboot now
<SiFuh_> No need
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<SiFuh_> Just drop down the run levels and back up......
<SiFuh_> Hmm ppetrov^ you have left
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<SiFuh_> [23 35 48] [SiFuh_> No need
<SiFuh_> [23 36 02] [SiFuh_> Just drop down the run levels and back up......
<farkuhar> ppetrov^: Yesterday's cruxbot notification of the prt-utils update must have escaped your attention. Read the commit message for the answer to your question.
<SiFuh_> ppetrov^: My wife knows the name beerman. She says "That is the guy who taught you about how to bake bread right?" I said "Yeah. And it is good bread" She says "But I thought you don't like him" I said " I don't not like him. I just think he is changing CRUX too fast for his benefit and not consulting the users" She says "But you called him arrogant" I said "So what? A good baker can still be arogant"
<SiFuh_> and the she lifed.
<SiFuh_> laughed8
<ppetrov^> SiFuh_, beerman taught you to bake bread?
<SiFuh_> Yes
<SiFuh_> And he is fucking good and very knowledgable when it comes to that
<SiFuh_> I will not deny it, no matter how he rubs me the wrong way.
<ppetrov^> cool
<SiFuh_> You should try his reciped
<SiFuh_> It's freaking awesome.
<SiFuh_> I even use it to make Pizza dough with some little tweaks.
<SiFuh_> Oh and I failed everytime with his sour dough recipe :-(
<SiFuh_> ppetrov^: Mine always turns out to be a brick or rubber. Hahaha
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: serpente says he doesn't like the name Outlaw Linux.
<SiFuh_> zorz: Get into action!
<farkuhar> It's rather self-deprecating of pitillo to call himself a n00b. He's been maintaining a decent-sized repo for quite some time now.
<SiFuh_> Yeah I found that interesting
<SiFuh_> But he is no n00b
<SiFuh_> I think he was showing my status personally
<farkuhar> I don't see the reason for invoking mpark in the /etc/rc debate. Innocent bystanders don't deserve to be drawn into this trainwreck. "18:31 <SiFuh_> When it was clearly a shit script that mpark had no idea about"
<SiFuh_> I have to get my emotions under control. I am pissing myself laughing
<SiFuh_> I wonder if he thinks he is the god of crux.
<SiFuh_> He always falls back on how much work he does and how little everyone else does
<farkuhar> Yes, mpark did question the reliance on bashisms (which would need to be replaced if we wanted portability to all POSIX shells), but I explained in #crux-musl the long-established precedent for using bash arrays. So the aspect that he "had no idea about" is the overhaul 2.32 -> 2.33, yet his one comment focused on something entirely different.
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: So we keep or dumb bashism?
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: Ever notice that beerman refuses to accept his code is garbage?
<farkuhar> SiFuh_: Yes, it's entirely consistent with Per's vision. Besides, the smaller the change we propose in our patch, the less resistance beerman will put up against it.
<farkuhar> it = "dumb bashism"
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: I am pretty sure, probably wrong that Per's system was POSIX
<farkuhar> SiFuh_: Better you should ask him, not me.
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: I have logs of everything.
<SiFuh_> So I'd really need to go back and look at all of them.
<SiFuh_> I even have backups on drives and tape in Australia.
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: I am a bit confused as to why beerman just insterted himself and abused the shit out of me in a conversation with pitllo and then blamed me for being too emotional
<SiFuh_> That's kind of weird
<farkuhar> serpente: I don't like the name Outlaw Linux either. What about dlcusa's suggestion Per Linux (pronounced "pure")?
<SiFuh_> Hmm
<SiFuh_> I sent to him
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<farkuhar> "Outlaw Linux" sounds like an instruction you would give to a legislative body, asking them to make Linux illegal.
<SiFuh_> Actually I like Outlaw Linux because technically I am an outlaw in like 4 countries maybe more but...
<SiFuh_> If we had a constitution set in rules. The we are not outlaws because we follow laws.
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: Just reviewed the logs.
<SiFuh_> I think beerman wants me banned
<SiFuh_> I didn't say anything negative about him. But he just appears, speaks shit then dissapears
<SiFuh_> I think he is priming the channel to have me banned
<SiFuh_> How fucking hard is it to admit you fucking rc modifications is shit?
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<ppetrov^> guys! guys! i found an awesome gtk2/3/4 theme
<SiFuh_> People still use gtk?
<ppetrov^> now i can use gtk3 based xfce almost without gettinga nervous breakdown
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<ppetrov^> hm, just saw muself quite
<ppetrov^> *quit
<farkuhar> ppetrov^: you just saw yourself quit.
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<SiFuh_> Yeah ppetrov^, You just missed beerman trying to obliterate me for some weird reason
<ppetrov^> i read it
<SiFuh_> it was so out of the blue ppetrov^
<ppetrov^> no, it wasn't
<SiFuh_> Then accused me of being emotional
<SiFuh_> What do you mean no it wasn't?
<ppetrov^> you've been criticising the rc script for a week or two, and wondering when you'd be able to talk with him
<ppetrov^> so, he responded
<SiFuh_> I didn't insult him at all
<ppetrov^> i am not playing his advocate or anything
<SiFuh_> I spoke in his favour
<ppetrov^> and the gys make great bread
<SiFuh_> Why can't he admit his modifications are shit?
<SiFuh_> Hahaha
<ppetrov^> why do you ask me
<SiFuh_> Yeah he makes great bread
<SiFuh_> ppetrov^: You said you saw it. I was talking to pitillo and he injected himself into the coversation
<ppetrov^> well, he saw the opportunity and took it
<SiFuh_> Then took liberty of trying to decimate me emotionally the accused me of being emotional.
<ppetrov^> heheh
<SiFuh_> Hahahaha
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<farkuhar> "the smaller the change we propose in our patch, the less resistance beerman will put up against it." <- How hypocritical would it be to block a 200-line patch, when the abomination that's being remedied was itself 200+ lines of changes? In comparison, most of the 30 commits (going back 20 years) affect only one or two lines.
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<ukky> SiFuh_: I can only judge the attachment from pictures, you know better if mud flaps are well secured.
<farkuhar> Heh, that mailman hiccup had me concerned that I misconfigured my fdm.conf somehow, resulting in months of mailing list posts suddenly getting fetched (after an older config was restored?). Anyway, it was nice of beerman to drop us an explanation for the eventual delivery of all these old posts.
<ukky> I received about 15 messages today, though my e-mail should not appear in any mail list anymore.
<farkuhar> The mailman hiccup also affected Gitea notifications; I got duplicate copies of pitillo's bug reports about python3 footprint mismatches (which he closed before anyone had the chance to leave comments).
<mpark> oof, plasma-6 build is just broken for me. I'm taking a break and figuring out what it didn't install because it's breaking on a missing header (../libportal-0.9.1/libportal/portal-qt6.cpp:34:10: fatal error: private/qgenericunixservices_p.h: No such file or directory)
<mpark> I just am too frustrated at this moment to troubleshoot.
<ukky> mpark: use this command to find out which port provides that file: prt-get fsearch qgenericunixservices_p.h
<mpark> thanks ukky
<mpark> it comes up nothing
<mpark> meh
<mpark> lemme check something
<ukky> Check your /etc/prt-get.conf, it should point to your port collections
<mpark> it does
<mpark> I checked the thing that I thought might be the issue, and it was not.
<mpark> so, I'm gonna try and look into it further now that I've eaten.
<ukky> try this then: find /usr/ports/ -type f -name '.footprint' -exec grep --color=always -H '\bqgenericunixservices_p.h\b' "{}" \;
<mpark> full error in case i missed something. I'll do that find next