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* pogchamp slaps carrar with a haddock
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<carrar> 😀
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<zid> pog: aquilo is better than fulgora and gl*eba
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<zid> It very worm today
<zid> UV index up to 8.3 too, going to see some very nice bright red people tomorrow
<GeDaMo> I saw somebody with a sunburnt face this morning
<GeDaMo> zid: is this your sort of thing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCAwdp1uIQ
<bslsk05> ​'KPop Demon Hunters | Official Trailer | Netflix' by Netflix
<zid> sounds awful
<zid> like, properly bad
<GeDaMo> :D
<heat> 8.3? FAT REFERENCE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
<zid> UVFAT
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<Ermine> zid: is it in London?
<zid> is what in london
<Ermine> weather and 8.3 UV index
<zid> oh, that, for
<zid> no
<nikolar> how bad is exfat
<nikolar> i know literally nothing about it other than it exists
<zid> morning nicky lore
<nikolar> and it supports larger files than fat32
<nikolar> ello ello
<zid> hot in serbs today?
<nikolar> very much so
<zid> oof yea
<zid> 35
<nikolar> it's a bit wimdy so not too bad
<zid> It just.. didn't cool off last night here, so it was 20+ already at 6am here
<zid> and that's sunrise, so it just.. gets warmer and warmer now
<nikolar> it was chilly last night here
<nikolar> and then it got hot again now
<nikolar> funsies
<zid> Just hit 30C
<zid> a minute ago
<nikolar> nice
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<nikolar> > didn't cool off last night here,
<nikolar> was it cloudy or something
<zid> cloudy? in the uk? you jest
<zid> surely not
<nikolar> lol thought so
<nikolar> is it still cloudy
<zid> nope
<nikolar> funsies
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<zid> that's the weather I was supposed to get
<zid> it's on holiday in portugal
<zid> or it's headed to the costa del sol I guess, like everyone else
<nikolar> zid: why would you go on holiday to portugal
<zid> nikolar: Balkan states are cheap and it's sunny
<nikolar> it's portugal though
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<zid> yea but you don't have to interact with a single portogoose
<zid> we make sure to build little exclaves
<nikolar> how are you supposed to get a room or something
<zid> phone up a british hotel
<zid> (that's in portugal)
<nikolar> kek
<zid> https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Magnolia+Hotel/@37.0606944,-8.3661179,9.83z/data=!4m9!3m8!1s0xd1ab37a1cf010a1:0xaadcbe8009391644!5m2!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d37.062412!4d-8.0363577!16s%2Fg%2F11b7w018j7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYyMy4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
<bslsk05> ​www.google.com: Before you continue to Google Maps
<zid> There ya go
<nikolar> kek
<GeDaMo> Pfft! It's not even at the beach :P
<zid> also of note, that's 4 star for portugal
<zid> so it's basically like a hostel elsewhere
<zid> balkan 4 star
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<pog> zid: my ag science setup is janky and doesn't work right and i'm worried the pentapod eggs are gonna hatch while i'm away doing something else and that the stack of laser turrets i put around it isn't going to be enough
<pog> also i still have deadlocking issues in my setups, i thought i came up with a system that can have its outputs backup indefinitely and just bootstrap if it has to
<zid> yea my ag science setup is incredibly incredibly paranoid
<zid> It picks up 1 egg, which it feeds back into itself only if it has its other ingredients, and flushes the spares
<zid> the spares get picked up by ag science if needed, and lets it pass by otherwise
<zid> then it gets burned
<zid> so I make way more eggs than I need, but they're NEVER stored
<pog> that's probably what i should do
<pog> i'm trying to get myself put together to go to aquilo now tho, i don't want to think about gleba anymore i hate it there
<zid> yea I quit spaceage for 2 months
<zid> then started over and did gleba with 'I will deliver everything then use bots' mindset
<zid> rather than "I will show up on gleba and rebootstrap"
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<mjg> so apart from gogs, how many of you WEBDEV for a living?
<mjg> i get that doing osdev for a living is not always a pragmatic choice, but surely one can do better for their sanity than fronted dev :d
<mjg> .. while not sacrificing pragmatism about career choices
<pog> excuse my sir i am FULL STACK
<pog> which means i don't know shit about front end but i do it anyway
<nikolar> i do infra for webdevers
<nikolar> do i count
<nikolar> i don't touch js/ts at least kek
<nikolar> pog: my condolences
<zid> he calls dell
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<nikolar> who's he
<zid> nikolar's job is "one number 7, and a number 14", like phoning in a chinese
<mjg> pog: i don't know if that's better or worse
<mjg> nikolar: do you feel bad about it?
<nikolar> mjg: i've felt worse when i've actually done backend
<nikolar> so it's an improvement
<pog> mjg: i don't even care anymore, i'm looking for another job
<pog> i'm beyond sick of this fucking codebase
<nikolar> Lol
<mjg> pog: dawg that's liek me 2 weeks into any new project
<pog> does the code give you suicidial ideaton?
<pog> sewer slide
<pog> self-unaliving
<mjg> i asked chatgpt to kill itself
<mjg> did not lsiten
<mjg> maybe a larger large model would be up for it
<pog> when we get an LLM that expresses an intent to end its own life i will consider that it may be sentiet
<nikolar> mjg what did it say
<sbalmos> pog: well the current ones today are certainly more than willing to bribe the typist, or find a human who will unalive the typist on its behalf
<zid> pog: autovitaterminus
<zid> Then the zoomers can't read it
<pog> hhhh
<mjg> nikolar: "gtfo ps. lol"
<nikolar> lol
<mjg> that was part of the message, yes
<mjg> how many dead cats does it take to change a lightbulb?
<mjg> idk but more than 7, it's still dark in my basement
<heat> how many linuxes does it take to kernel
<heat> just one.
<pog> what you rfer to as linux is actually gnu/linux or as i like to call it gnu plus linux
<pog> oh it's musl and busybox? fuck you and die GNU forever
<zid> musclebox is the name of my fantasy girlfriend
<pog> i like her already
<zid> pog: what's better than seeing a woman wrestle?
<heat> TRENbox
<zid> pog: Seeing her box
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<Ermine> heat: more than one, one also need android
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<GeDaMo> zid: trailer for Project Hail Mary (potential spoilers for anyone who hasn't read the book) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m08TxIsFTRI
<bslsk05> ​'Project Hail Mary - Official Trailer' by Amazon MGM Studios
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<zid> ah cool, I don't watch trailers though
<heat> Ermine: android is linux
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<nikolar> linux is linux
<heat> hmm i'm not so sure about that
<heat> what exactly is linux anyway?
<heat> is it the first version? then surely it's not linux anymore
<nikolar> linux is linux duh
<nikolar> what more do you need
<heat> kernel of theseus
<nikolar> linux of kernel
<heat> YES
<heat> mjg: you're the real webdev btw
<heat> developing WEB PRODUCTS for THE INTERNET
<mjg> linux is linux but RHEL > SLES
<mjg> cmv
<nikolar> heat is contractually obligated to argue with mjg now
<mjg> he can argue all he wants, facts are facts
<heat> the hell do you mean now
<heat> anyway you can measure RHEL or SLES all you like
<heat> oracle linux is obviously superior
<heat> UNBREAKABLE KERNAL
<mjg> it's unbreakable, not UNBEATABLE
<heat> obvious /s and the s stands for SLES
<nikolar> he said "RHEL > SLES"
<heat> if oracle linux is so unbreakable does it mean they removed all break statements?
<mjg> yes by rewriting in rust
<zid> SLES: super linux extended suck
<heat> suse linux extended super
<heat> where the su in suse also means super
<nikolar> suse linux especially sucks
<zid> so suse = super super edition
<heat> yes
<zid> so suse les = super super edition linux extra super
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<errno> >These options are only available with the ELF object file format, and require that the necessary BFD support has been included (on a 32-bit platform you have to add -enable-64-bit-bfd to "configure enable" 64-bit usage and use x86-64 as target platform)
<errno> hi, dumb ques, does this mean i can cross-assemble for x64 from i386?
<zid> you can do what you like
<zid> you can cross assemble for alpha sparc from a z80, as long as you have an assembler that does it
<errno> thanks for the clarification
<zid> but considering it's mentioning BFD support, that sounds like it's talking about using gnu ld as a linker
<errno> yes
<errno> it was from gas's info page
<zid> yes, you will need a binutils of the correct target
<errno> ah, i see
<zid> for your correct current host, it's just warning that building it with just ./configure won't get you amd64 support if you're on x86
<zid> you need to turn it on
<errno> right
<errno> ty
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<mjg> > TIOCUCNTL ioctl(2) could crash the kernel if called with a non-file argument.
<mjg> openbsd
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<geist> ioctl is the debil
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<mjg> ;)
<heat> whats you guys' favourite programming language
<heat> mine is perl
<zid> perl is pretty great tbh
<geist> MBASIC
<zid> m'basic
<zid> qbasic for me
<geist> for background, in CP/M there were two dialects of microsoft basic. OBASIC and MBASIC
<geist> as you can guess, OBASIC was the older version
<geist> but some programs needed it
<heat> OBASIC and the O stands for OLDIE
<kof673> mjg: https://0x0.st/s/BZEC4VxR_rJ-eBAMFPBvmA/Xir_.png it takes about 9 dead cats, note the cat has a crescent moon knife, virgo-shaped serpent head being bruised, tree
<Ermine> my favourite is PL/I
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